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lawai'a said:
joe ingles for ariza / utah and blazers swap position in draft 23 for 16.
utah sheds a year of salary with mitchell and gobert contracts coming in 2021/22...more minutes for o'neal and niang. utah only has mitchell and bradley homegrown pics on their roster.
portland sheds another $2mil in salary for next season, gain another facilitator and stretch 4/3. shoots near 40%/3pt averages nearly 5 assists. savy defender.
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I like this as a realistic trade option. Who are the Jazz interested in that range though? Maxey, Anthony, Maledon, and Lewis will all be in that range if they are looking for a PG.

Would you slide Ingles over to starting PF next to Nurk and play C off the bench or start him at SF? Don’t know how much validity there is to rumors that Zach would rather play C, but if that’s the case, having Ingles start at PF with Zach off the bench would be a nice option.

That would leave us with a MLE, #23, and #46 to find a backup PG and a backup big/starting SF.
 
Not sure if this has been proposed:

jimmy butler + Miami #1 pick

CJ + Collins + Simons

Dame / draft pick / vet
Trent / Vet free agent
Butler / Hood
Melo / Gabriel
Nurk / Whiteside

trade Ariza, Mario

re-Sign Whiteside
 
pougie said:
I like this as a realistic trade option. Who are the Jazz interested in that range though? Maxey, Anthony, Maledon, and Lewis will all be in that range if they are looking for a PG.

Would you slide Ingles over to starting PF next to Nurk and play C off the bench or start him at SF? Don’t know how much validity there is to rumors that Zach would rather play C, but if that’s the case, having Ingles start at PF with Zach off the bench would be a nice option.

That would leave us with a MLE, #23, and #46 to find a backup PG and a backup big/starting SF.
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still have hoody's expiring too. and $7mil TPE
edit scoring off of the bench could be a target @16 as clarkson will be a UFA
 
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BoomChakaLaka said:
Not sure if this has been proposed:

jimmy butler + Miami #1 pick

CJ + Collins + Simons

Dame / draft pick / vet
Trent / Vet free agent
Butler / Hood
Melo / Gabriel
Nurk / Whiteside

trade Ariza, Mario

re-Sign Whiteside
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Miami is 1 game away from the NBA Finals. They're not gonna trade Butler this offseason.
 
BoomChakaLaka said:
Not sure if this has been proposed:

jimmy butler + Miami #1 pick

CJ + Collins + Simons

Dame / draft pick / vet
Trent / Vet free agent
Butler / Hood
Melo / Gabriel
Nurk / Whiteside

trade Ariza, Mario

re-Sign Whiteside
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I don't think teams usually trade their best player away when they just found magic like the Heat seem to have. I would expect the Heat to try and keep this team together, including Dragic and just add with the MLE.
 


I think KAT is probably the best offensive big in the entire league. If he wants out, I'd give up everyone but Dame to land him. Would be the best big-guard duo in the league.
 
BoomChakaLaka said:
Not sure if this has been proposed:

jimmy butler + Miami #1 pick

CJ + Collins + Simons

Dame / draft pick / vet
Trent / Vet free agent
Butler / Hood
Melo / Gabriel
Nurk / Whiteside

trade Ariza, Mario

re-Sign Whiteside
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We probably could have done a CJ for Butler type trade when Butler got shopped by the Bulls. That ship sailed years ago.
 
illmatic99 said:


I think KAT is probably the best offensive big in the entire league. If he wants out, I'd give up everyone but Dame to land him. Would be the best big-guard duo in the league.
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I agree about Kat's offensive talent....it's immense. What I'm wondering is if any big man, unless he's a unicorn, can be the key to contention by offense alone in this 'new' NBA?

Obviously, Lebron and AD are making it work but they are both 2-way players and AD plays as much like a wing as he does a big on offense while bringing paint defense and rim protection on the other end

meanwhile, Dame & Kat are both essentially 1-way players. In fact, if you look at DRPM ranking this last season for the 72 C's the stat tracked you'll see this:

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yikes!!

sure seems like paint defense and rim protection are still the most important attributes for a C or big.

there can be some value in zigging while the rest of the league is zagging, but IIRC, it seems history is filled with teams ultimately failing that tried to achieve overpowering offenses. Maybe Dallas is the only exception?
 
Yes, it's a big "NO" on KAT for me. I like the suggestion of a KAT - Embiid swap. Horford and KAT could probably coexist a lot better than Horford-Embiid, and Philly are stuck with Horford and his horrible contract. Plus if you have a defender as god-awful as KAT, you need a defender as awesome as Ben Simmons. Likewise Russell and Embiid.

PLUS: if D'Antoni really is going to be the next coach of Philly, there's no way he can use Embiid, but a shooter like KAT might work.
 
wizenheimer said:
I agree about Kat's offensive talent....it's immense. What I'm wondering is if any big man, unless he's a unicorn, can be the key to contention by offense alone in this 'new' NBA?

Obviously, Lebron and AD are making it work but they are both 2-way players and AD plays as much like a wing as he does a big on offense while bringing paint defense and rim protection on the other end

meanwhile, Dame & Kat are both essentially 1-way players. In fact, if you look at DRPM ranking this last season for the 72 C's the stat tracked you'll see this:

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yikes!!

sure seems like paint defense and rim protection are still the most important attributes for a C or big.

there can be some value in zigging while the rest of the league is zagging, but IIRC, it seems history is filled with teams ultimately failing that tried to achieve overpowering offenses. Maybe Dallas is the only exception?
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Put him on the right team with the right partner and he'll be better. Some guys in the league I'm probably irrationally crazy over. Ben Simmons is one. Kat is the other
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Yes, it's a big "NO" on KAT for me. I like the suggestion of a KAT - Embiid swap. Horford and KAT could probably coexist a lot better than Horford-Embiid, and Philly are stuck with Horford and his horrible contract. Plus if you have a defender as god-awful as KAT, you need a defender as awesome as Ben Simmons. Likewise Russell and Embiid.

PLUS: if D'Antoni really is going to be the next coach of Philly, there's no way he can use Embiid, but a shooter like KAT might work.
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How many bigs in the history of the league are better offensively than KAT? Hes a 7 footer putting up 25/10 on 50/40/85 efficiency with high volume on a yearly basis.

Don't think I'm exaggerating. He might be the best offensive big man in the history of the game.

Can't just dismiss that kinda talent, it's the kind you build around to mitigate his weaknesses. Minny has been pathetic in that respect. They ruined KGs career and are doing the same with KAT.
 
KAT and Dame would be a top 5 duo in the NBA. Up there with LeBron/AD, Jokic/Murray, Luka/Porzingis and Simmons/Embiid.

It would be an insanely effective pick and roll combo.
 
illmatic99 said:
How many bigs in the history of the league are better offensively than KAT? Hes a 7 footer putting up 25/10 on 50/40/85 efficiency with high volume on a yearly basis.

Don't think I'm exaggerating. He might be the best offensive big man in the history of the game.

Can't just dismiss that kinda talent, it's the kind you build around to mitigate his weaknesses. Minny has been pathetic in that respect. They ruined KGs career and are doing the same with KAT.
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I'd probably go Dirk over KAT, but not by much.
 
illmatic99 said:
How many bigs in the history of the league are better offensively than KAT? Hes a 7 footer putting up 25/10 on 50/40/85 efficiency with high volume on a yearly basis.

Don't think I'm exaggerating. He might be the best offensive big man in the history of the game.

Can't just dismiss that kinda talent, it's the kind you build around to mitigate his weaknesses. Minny has been pathetic in that respect. They ruined KGs career and are doing the same with KAT.
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They got Jimmy Butler and he became so disgusted he left. As good as KAT is on offense, he may be worse on defense. And don't mention KG and KAT in the same sentence. KG was league MVP and actually led Minny to the playoffs. Now KAT and Kevin Love (who also was regarded as a stud in Minny) - those really are comparable.
 
If we could lay the ground works for getting KAT that would be awesome.

would have to probably involve another team and us trading CJ and Nurk.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
They got Jimmy Butler and he became so disgusted he left. As good as KAT is on offense, he may be worse on defense. And don't mention KG and KAT in the same sentence. KG was league MVP and actually led Minny to the playoffs. Now KAT and Kevin Love (who also was regarded as a stud in Minny) - those really are comparable.
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Let's be honest. Jimmy never wanted to be there. He pulled some messed up stuff like calling espn to the practice facility so he could interview with Rachel Nichols after embarrassing his teammates. Butler is a great player and deserves the accolades he's getting now but he was a terrible fit with that roster in Minny.
 
illmatic99 said:
Let's be honest. Jimmy never wanted to be there. He pulled some messed up stuff like calling espn to the practice facility so he could interview with Rachel Nichols after embarrassing his teammates. Butler is a great player and deserves the accolades he's getting now but he was a terrible fit with that roster in Minny.
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And yet they were only good when he was there.
 
my inclination would be that the clips Jamychal Green will opt out of player option and is a more acquirable target. i bet jeremy grant gets the full MLE or better. not sure what a sign and trade option would look like or if denver would be interested. they most likely resign him them selves. green is a stretch 4 that played some small ball 5 in the bubble.
GDiama said:


Apparently Lillard likes this idea(liked the comment) and he should like it, but we have no cap space unfortunately.

Can MLE be combined with cap space?
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GDiama said:


Apparently Lillard likes this idea(liked the comment) and he should like it, but we have no cap space unfortunately.

Can MLE be combined with cap space?
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no, teams can't combine exceptions, and can't combine exceptions with cap-space

however, hypothetically Portland could have cap-space. If the cap was static and stayed at the projected 116M and the Blazers renounced their rights to Whiteside while waiving Ariza, they could have close to 18M in space. Now that doesn't account for their draft pick so it could be 14-15M in space. This assumes Hood and Hezonja exercise their player options. It also doesn't account for Gabriel

so then, hypothetically, the Blazers could throw 14-15M at a player like Grant

but it very well could be that the cap won't increase 7 million from this season's 109M to 116M. It could actually drop, and do so in a historic manner. One projection was it could drop as much as 30 million:

https://dknation.draftkings.com/202...-update-news-rumors-report-warriors-bob-myers

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/258157/NBAs-Salary-Cap-For-20-21-Could-Decline-By-As-Much-As-$30M

now, that was said prior to the bubble. I'm guessing it didn't account for whatever revenue recovery the bubble brought. Still, that isn't a good indication for any increase in the cap. And if the cap, for instance, dropped 15M down to 94M, the problem would become creating a mechanism to stop the tax threshold from falling at the same ratio

it's all moot anyway if the owners declare force majeure and cancel the current CBA. There is not much reason to expect a next-season any time soon. Be hard to have 30 teams in an 82 game + playoffs bubble
 
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