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wizenheimer said:
no, teams can't combine exceptions, and can't combine exceptions with cap-space

however, hypothetically Portland could have cap-space. If the cap was static and stayed at the projected 116M and the Blazers renounced their rights to Whiteside while waiving Ariza, they could have close to 18M in space. Now that doesn't account for their draft pick so it could be 14-15M in space. This assumes Hood and Hezonja exercise their player options. It also doesn't account for Gabriel

so then, hypothetically, the Blazers could throw 14-15M at a player like Grant

but it very well could be that the cap won't increase 7 million from this season's 109M to 116M. It could actually drop, and do so in a historic manner. One projection was it could drop as much as 30 million:

https://dknation.draftkings.com/202...-update-news-rumors-report-warriors-bob-myers

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/258157/NBAs-Salary-Cap-For-20-21-Could-Decline-By-As-Much-As-$30M

now, that was said prior to the bubble. I'm guessing it didn't account for whatever revenue recovery the bubble brought. Still, that isn't a good indication for any increase in the cap. And if the cap, for instance, dropped 15M down to 94M, the problem would become creating a mechanism to stop the tax threshold from falling at the same ratio

it's all moot anyway if the owners declare force majeure and cancel the current CBA. There is not much reason to expect a next-season any time soon. Be hard to have 30 teams in an 82 game + playoffs bubble
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I think the cap will remain at 109M. It cannot really drop because it will cause tax issues for teams that were careful to not reach that line. It cannot increase as well so I believe it will just stay at 109.
 
GDiama said:
I think the cap will remain at 109M. It cannot really drop because it will cause tax issues for teams that were careful to not reach that line. It cannot increase as well so I believe it will just stay at 109.
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I don't know about that. The cap calculation is tied to BRI, and that's a foundational pillar of the CBA. The owners can't just change that rule. The union has a say and it's reasonable to think there would be lots of room for disagreement if the two sides are talking about changing the fundamental basis for revenue sharing. I don't think the union would worry much about where the tax threshold is, the salary cap may be a different matter
 
I honestly think that there are other players who can do what Grant does that will come cheaper. He's certainly out of our price range, and that's okay. If Wenyen Gabriel keeps working he's certainly got a shot to be at least that good.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I honestly think that there are other players who can do what Grant does that will come cheaper. He's certainly out of our price range, and that's okay. If Wenyen Gabriel keeps working he's certainly got a shot to be at least that good.
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well, if Zach Collins can be the next Siakam, I guess Gabriel can be the next Grant. Blazers will be really good next season with Siakam and Grant in the front court
 
GDiama said:
I think the cap will remain at 109M. It cannot really drop because it will cause tax issues for teams that were careful to not reach that line. It cannot increase as well so I believe it will just stay at 109.
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wizenheimer said:
I don't know about that. The cap calculation is tied to BRI, and that's a foundational pillar of the CBA. The owners can't just change that rule. The union has a say and it's reasonable to think there would be lots of room for disagreement if the two sides are talking about changing the fundamental basis for revenue sharing. I don't think the union would worry much about where the tax threshold is, the salary cap may be a different matter
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The thing is what cap are we talking about and what luxury tax are we talking about because the ultimate what is what CBA are we talking about? The structure of the CBA for next season could look like a completely different model with all of the uncertainty at this moment. I think the owners could try to strong arm the players into a lopsided deal for a few years but I doubt that ultimately makes sense for either side. I think we will see a very unique CBA negotiated for one season and then see a long term deal worked out after next season, whenever the hell that is.
 
blazerkor said:
The thing is what cap are we talking about and what luxury tax are we talking about because the ultimate what is what CBA are we talking about? The structure of the CBA for next season could look like a completely different model with all of the uncertainty at this moment. I think the owners could try to strong arm the players into a lopsided deal for a few years but I doubt that ultimately makes sense for either side. I think we will see a very unique CBA negotiated for one season and then see a long term deal worked out after next season, whenever the hell that is.
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if the owners are looking at next season, whatever form it takes, as a money-loser, I'd think they'd have little interest in having a next season, especially when they can use the leverage of a lost season as part of building a new CBA. I'm just not sure where the line is for a money-losing season. There's a lot of ledger magic available to the wealthy
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I honestly think that there are other players who can do what Grant does that will come cheaper. He's certainly out of our price range, and that's okay. If Wenyen Gabriel keeps working he's certainly got a shot to be at least that good.
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Cheaper for sure and maybe he is not worth 15M to us, but I don't think you can find that skillset in many players at that price range. He is a great defender and spot shooter.
 
GDiama said:
Cheaper for sure and maybe he is not worth 15M to us, but I don't think you can find that skillset in many players at that price range. He is a great defender and spot shooter.
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and even more than that. The guy is a slasher, he's got blow by speed and quickness and is an explosive finisher around the basket.
 
Cugel said:
Gabe needs sig min
He earned it
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Wait did you just try to give a guy whose first name is Wenyen and last name is Gabriel the nickname Gabe? If that's what you were doing I disagree with the nickname but agree that we should re-sign him and give him some run next season. Also "sig min" I mean "some PT" or "a lot of PT" doesn't take much more typing and those are actual words, recognized initials or contractions that mean something. If "sig min" was meant to be significant minutes, how significant are we talking about because if Melo comes back and Zach is healthy there won't be a ton of minutes at the 4; then at the 3 he has to compete for minutes against Melo, hopefully Hoodie and Nas. So how "sig" of "min" could we be talking about? Like ten "min" a game and is that "sig" enough for you? Sorry I'm not trying to be too condescending it's just once I started on the "sig min" thing I thought it was kind of funny.
 
wizenheimer said:
well, if Zach Collins can be the next Siakam, I guess Gabriel can be the next Grant. Blazers will be really good next season with Siakam and Grant in the front court
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I don't think Grant has earned anyone being called "the next Grant" yet. Maybe his uncle did...

NBA players ranked by DRPM:
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Hey, maybe Moses is the "next Grant"
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Or maybe Grant can become "the next Jaylen Hoard"
 
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blazerkor said:
Wait did you just try to give a guy whose first name is Wenyen and last name is Gabriel the nickname Gabe? If that's what you were doing I disagree with the nickname but agree that we should re-sign him and give him some run next season. Also "sig min" I mean "some PT" or "a lot of PT" doesn't take much more typing and those are actual words, recognized initials or contractions that mean something. If "sig min" was meant to be significant minutes, how significant are we talking about because if Melo comes back and Zach is healthy there won't be a ton of minutes at the 4; then at the 3 he has to compete for minutes against Melo, hopefully Hoodie and Nas. So how "sig" of "min" could we be talking about? Like ten "min" a game and is that "sig" enough for you? Sorry I'm not trying to be too condescending it's just once I started on the "sig min" thing I thought it was kind of funny.
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No my bad, co worker name's gabe. It is a bad nickname
 
wizenheimer said:
no, teams can't combine exceptions, and can't combine exceptions with cap-space

however, hypothetically Portland could have cap-space. If the cap was static and stayed at the projected 116M and the Blazers renounced their rights to Whiteside while waiving Ariza, they could have close to 18M in space. Now that doesn't account for their draft pick so it could be 14-15M in space. This assumes Hood and Hezonja exercise their player options. It also doesn't account for Gabriel

so then, hypothetically, the Blazers could throw 14-15M at a player like Grant

but it very well could be that the cap won't increase 7 million from this season's 109M to 116M. It could actually drop, and do so in a historic manner. One projection was it could drop as much as 30 million:

https://dknation.draftkings.com/202...-update-news-rumors-report-warriors-bob-myers

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/258157/NBAs-Salary-Cap-For-20-21-Could-Decline-By-As-Much-As-$30M

now, that was said prior to the bubble. I'm guessing it didn't account for whatever revenue recovery the bubble brought. Still, that isn't a good indication for any increase in the cap. And if the cap, for instance, dropped 15M down to 94M, the problem would become creating a mechanism to stop the tax threshold from falling at the same ratio

it's all moot anyway if the owners declare force majeure and cancel the current CBA. There is not much reason to expect a next-season any time soon. Be hard to have 30 teams in an 82 game + playoffs bubble
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Are you making sure to account for dead money? It doesnt add up to me. Heres what @hoopsjock has with our picks included. Would leave only $9M-$10M, not $14M-$15MScreenshot_20200927-223819_YouTube.jpg
 
BonesJones said:
Are you making sure to account for dead money? It doesnt add up to me. Heres what @hoopsjock has with our picks included. Would leave only $9M-$10M, not $14M-$15MView attachment 33751
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ok, let's see....from basketball insiders:

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the first question is Nurkic. BBI seems to include his likely/unlikely bonuses. I'm thinking he might have an actual salary of 1-2M less

anyway, they say guarantees amount to 93M. Hood will almost certainly exercise his option, so it's up to 99.3M. I don't know what Hezonja will do. If he opts in Blazers are at 101M. If they were determined to maximize cap-space, they'd renounce Whiteside & Melo, and waive Ariza. So then, 103M.

that leaves the 1st and Gabriel. The pick would be around 3M, putting them at 106M; Gabriel would bump them up to the 107-108M range. So yeah, they'd have less than a full MLE with the cap at 116M. They could get more with some maneuvering and if Nurkic's actual salary has reverted to the unlikely bonus level. Still wouldn't allow them to be much of a player in the cap-space market

I don't think it would matter because I seriously doubt the cap will hold to the previous projections. It could drop below this year's mark, maybe by quite a bit
 
PCmor7 said:
Victor Oladipo reportedly looking to move on from the Pacers.

I could get behind acquiring him. If you are moving on from CJ, this is the kind of player you find a way to do it for, IMO.
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I was just going to post about the same thing.
Would they be interested? Could they make it work?
 
PCmor7 said:
Victor Oladipo reportedly looking to move on from the Pacers.

I could get behind acquiring him. If you are moving on from CJ, this is the kind of player you find a way to do it for, IMO.
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With his injury history? Would be a risk. Not sure if it's worth taking.

But it's interesting, especially with that contract. We could open up avenues to some capspace if Vic walked.
 
I want more value in a CJ-oladipo swap, because of contract and injury. But I have a hard time figuring out their thoughts on it. I doubt they just want a pick package, because of all the guys locked in. I imagine they're going to get lowballed on him, so I'd try oladipo and turner for cj and zach and see what they're thinking.
 
RR7 said:
I want more value in a CJ-oladipo swap, because of contract and injury. But I have a hard time figuring out their thoughts on it. I doubt they just want a pick package, because of all the guys locked in. I imagine they're going to get lowballed on him, so I'd try oladipo and turner for cj and zach and see what they're thinking.
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I read on the athletic today something like Hayward+Smart+picks for Oladipo+Turner. For sure both are on the market, but we don't have room for Turner as he cannot play PF.
 
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GDiama said:
I read on the athletic today something like Hayward+Smart+picks for Oladipo+Turner. For sure both are on the market, but we don't have room for Turner as he cannot play PF.
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You're right. I thought he played some PF there, hadn't checked before posting. He hasn't in years. Though, I dont think zach should really be playing there either.
 
Oladipo is probably gambling on people seeing Butler's success and thinking, "hey, Oladipo's the closest thing to that!"
 
I question olidapo’s value. He only played 1 year in the East at very high level. Year before last before his injury he wasn’t performing at the same level at all. Didn’t look great in his return this year either. On the plus side maybe, he will be a free agent after next year and playing again for max value, in the free agency everyone is trying to maneuver for cap space in. Would likely require over pay to retain
 
e_blazer said:
So, this idea is via OregonLive. Ariza, Collins and Simons for Victor Oladipo. Then trade CJ for a starting SF (PG?) or PF and roll with Hood at SF.

Thoughts?

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7323419
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I still contend that very few teams will look at CJ + his contract as an asset. I suspect the majority of teams would see that as a liability and therefore we'd have to lose a trade on the talent end or take on a horrible contract in return.
 
Tince said:
I still contend that very few teams will look at CJ + his contract as an asset. I suspect the majority of teams would see that as a liability and therefore we'd have to lose a trade on the talent end or take on a horrible contract in return.
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I don't see the Blazers getting anywhere near the talent of Paul George for CJ straight across, but with a pick or two maybe. I am certain that CJ is seen as having value for the right team.
 
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