Trades possibilities....and what teams are open for business (1 Viewer)

[Pinwheel1]

I see no reason to have Chet at center except at end-of-game situations when they want as much offense on the court as possible. He seems much better suited to be playing the 4.

 

[andalusian]

Almost 60% of his shots came from 10 feet and further from the basket. How is that clogging the paint exactly?

OKC just got rid of Giddy who took 73% of his shots from the 2P area last year, Joel Embiid took 84% of his shots from the 2P areas and he takes a lot more space than Giddy.

Chet, FWIW, took 63% of his shots from the 2P area. SGA is not a 3P shooter, he needs the space to attack (SGA took 82% of his shots from the 2P area). You just need more spacing to make SGA effective. That's the modern NBA. You can't have multiple high usage players that love to operate within the 3P line when one of them (SGA) needs that space.

I just don't think this makes sense. The reason the Gobert / KAT combo worked, was because KAT is such a good 3P shooter, and Ant Man is better operating outside the 3P line than SGA is.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

OKC just got rid of Giddy who took 73% of his shots from the 2P area last year, Joel Embiid took 84% of his shots from the 2P areas and he takes a lot more space than Giddy.

Chet, FWIW, took 63% of his shots from the 2P area. SGA is not a 3P shooter, he needs the space to attack (SGA took 82% of his shots from the 2P area). You just need more spacing to make SGA effective. That's the modern NBA. You can't have multiple high usage players that love to operate within the 3P line when one of them (SGA) needs that space.

I just don't think this makes sense. The reason the Gobert / KAT combo worked, was because KAT is such a good 3P shooter, and Ant Man is better operating outside the 3P line than SGA is.

You can't compare Embiid to Gobert offensively. I'm very confident Embiid would work great with SGA offensively. The #1, #2, and #3 biggest risk to OKC if they ever did explore acquiring Embiid is his health.

 

[andalusian]

You can't compare Embiid to Gobert offensively. I'm very confident Embiid would work great with SGA offensively. The #1, #2, and #3 biggest risk to OKC if they ever did explore acquiring Embiid is his health.

I am saying that if KAT was not such a great 3 point shooter, the KAT / Gobert combo will not work because they both would require the same space. The same issue that will happen with SGA and Embiid.

If I were a betting man, I would guess what OKC is looking for, mostly is a secondary creator that can space the floor, basically, Giddy with an outside shot, PG13 would be excellent for them, ironically. The 2nd thing they probably look for is a backup center with girth to give them extra size.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[cheesehoff]

Almost 60% of his shots came from 10 feet and further from the basket. How is that clogging the paint exactly?

Yep. People seem to think you're plugging the lane if you don't have 5 guys standing around the 3pt line. If it came to fruition and OKC got Embiid, an SGA & Embiid pick & roll should be deadly. Having weapons around the perimeter will obviously open up the lane some, but it's not do or die.
My big concern would be who your finishing 5 would be. SGA, Chet, Embiid for sure. Do you leave Williams on the bench because of matchups? Caruso, Dort, Wallace? That's a good problem to have, but I think it's still a problem.

 

[Ripcity4life77]

It's possible the Rockets would have picked up the options on ALL of these players but if i was a betting man I would say that the Rockets are really close to some kind of deal or deals not a matter of IF just a matter of when and what team(s). I hope the Blazers can either get that 3rd pick and/or move off of a Grant or Thybulle or something but this is the type of deal Cronin should be looking to take advantage of for the future of this team.

 

[Kell]

Could Ayton be a trade piece in trying to move up in the draft to Atlanta, Houston or Detroit? With all of the smoke around Portland taking a center in this draft could that mean DA wasn’t what they wanted to work with going forward?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Could Ayton be a trade piece in trying to move up in the draft to Atlanta, Houston or Detroit? With all of the smoke around Portland taking a center in this draft could that mean DA wasn’t what they wanted to work with going forward?

I doubt Atlanta would be interested. Houston and Detroit (particularly now they've fired Monty) are more plausible.




Obviously pick swaps would also be involved

 

[Irish Trader]

Could Ayton be a trade piece in trying to move up in the draft to Atlanta, Houston or Detroit? With all of the smoke around Portland taking a center in this draft could that mean DA wasn’t what they wanted to work with going forward?

Ayton is like a box of candy you never know what you are going to get night to night

 

[andalusian]

Yep. People seem to think you're plugging the lane if you don't have 5 guys standing around the 3pt line. If it came to fruition and OKC got Embiid, an SGA & Embiid pick & roll should be deadly. Having weapons around the perimeter will obviously open up the lane some, but it's not do or die.
My big concern would be who your finishing 5 would be. SGA, Chet, Embiid for sure. Do you leave Williams on the bench because of matchups? Caruso, Dort, Wallace? That's a good problem to have, but I think it's still a problem.

The Thunder were the #1 team in the West as a very young squad by running the 5-out offense. I do not believe they are going to abandon it just for a chance to run pick and roll or pick and pop from way out of the 3 point line with Embiid while minimizing Chet. We have seen how hard it is for teams and players to change their playing style when they acquire new players. We were told that the Dame / Giannis pick and roll will be deadly, but that forgot to mention how much better both players are with the ball in their hand - which basically relegates one of them to playing more off-the-ball, both seem to be less effective in that role. Maybe it will be successful 2nd time around, maybe we will again, find out that when you try to combine 2 players that need the same space (or the ball) to be effective and they need to adjust, it does not always work too well.

If I am Presti, I do not think even a little about ruining what OKC so carefully built with a trade that requires them to completely change how they play and abandon what made them so successful. They are ahead of the curve with something that obviously works. Address the real problems (secondary creator, backup center for rebounding) and let experience set with what you got.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[Sheldon Shape]

If I was as bad as the Bulls, I would have opted for the pick.

 

[Freshtown]

Lmao hell no

 

[Ripcity4life77]

Cronin unless the Lakers are giving us 5 1sts and yes I know that is not possible -- but even if they could do this I would never do anything to help the Lakers. I think we have all sat back and watched teams bail out the Lakers with deals and if you do that Cronin just pack your bags and leave town cause most fans will not be forgiving.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Lmao hell no

I'll take 17 and their next available first rounder. Otherwise they can pound sand.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

We get Reeves too right?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Lmao hell no

Oh look, a team with even less desirable assets than the Mavs

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Ayton is like a box of candy you never know what you are going to get night to night

And somebody's already eaten all the good ones

 

[illmatic99]

I think the next pick LA can trade unprotected is in 2031.

17 this year has little if any value to me. So it would be a strict salary dump.

Meh

 

[Phatguysrule]

I think the next pick LA can trade unprotected is in 2031.

17 this year has little if any value to me. So it would be a strict salary dump.

Meh

I thought they could trade their 25 or 26?

 

[illmatic99]

I thought they could traded their 25 or 26?

Pelicans have their 25 pick (after they deferred the chance to get the 2024 one).

And as I understand it, as their 25 picks is outgoing, they will be forced to retain the 26 pick until after that draft (as per Stepien rule).

From what I gather, the 26 pick isn't trade-able either.

My doubts are about 2029.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Pelicans have their 25 pick (after they deferred the chance to get the 2024 one).

And as I understand it, as their 25 picks is outgoing, they will be forced to retain the 26 pick until after that draft (as per Stepien rule).

From what I gather, the 26 pick isn't trade-able either.

My doubts are about 2029.

Then screw'em.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[Natebishop3]

Nope.

 

[1 Eye Jack]

No id hope he’d have more value than that. Rui is overrated to me

 

[PtldPlatypus]

No id hope he’d have more value than that. Run is overrated to me

Rui may be overrated, but he's more efficient than Grant, and needs the ball less.

I mean sure, if we can get a better return for Grant we should, but I don't really think Hachimura's a downgrade.

 

[Tince]

Rui may be overrated, but he's more efficient than Grant, and needs the ball less.

I mean sure, if we can get a better return for Grant we should, but I don't really think Hachimura's a downgrade.

I think Rui is a pretty significant downgrade from Grant. And because of that, the Lakers would need to add a lot more value than him and #17. Not to mention, a 3 for 1 move doesn't make a ton of sense for Portland right now. Having the rights to 12+ guys who are bench/role players isn't my favorite strategy.

 

[1 Eye Jack]

I think Rui is a pretty significant downgrade from Grant. And because of that, the Lakers would need to add a lot more value than him and #17. Not to mention, a 3 for 1 move doesn't make a ton of sense for Portland right now. Having the rights to 12+ guys who are bench/role players isn't my favorite strategy.

I agree, to be honest I think Brogdon and Grant could have similar impacts as Hart had on NY. I could see either of them having a big impact on playoff team.