Trades possibilities....and what teams are open for business

[PtldPlatypus]

I don't hate it and I think both Lyles and DLo could be flipped for second rounders. I don't think they would need to be bought out. I would hope to find another team for Ingram, don't really love the idea of him being a leader on this young team. I think he would probably thrive more on a team with established guys leading him closer to his potential and maybe we pick up a couple more unprotected firsts for him.

In the proposal to which you responded, Ingram goes to the Kings.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Laker fans seem to be pumped about adding DDR and I don’t get it. He can’t shoot.

Casuals don't understand the game. Only recognize names because that's all they know.

 

[Samuel]

Based on cronin press conference, we are not looking to move deandre, but if there is a no-brainer offer, no one should be untouchable

this seems to be the resting posture of most gms.

'we're being active but we're not going to make moves just to make moves, only if we're blown away...'

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[Phatguysrule]

lol at the idea of ant and BI on the same team together. oops.

It takes a village...

 

[blazerkor]

In the proposal to which you responded, Ingram goes to the Kings.

Thanks! Obviously didn't pay close enough attention. I'm just OK with it, it's not terrible. We would want to get something for DLo and Lyles... not much but some second rounders.

 

[wizenheimer]

Thanks! Obviously didn't pay close enough attention. I'm just OK with it, it's not terrible. We would want to get something for DLo and Lyles... not much but some second rounders.

2nd rounder for Russell but 1st rounder(s) for Ant?

 

[blazerkor]

Knecht is potentially the missing piece to our long term starting 5. Most mocks had him as a top 10 pick. We don't really want Grant anyway. If we could get a prospect like Knecht for him, I'd say take it and run.

We only acquired him for a 1st round pick,that will likely be rather late (the Bucks next year). So how much has his stock grown now that he's older and on a large contract?

I don't give a fuck where mocks had a dude that only showed he could be productive for one year of actually competitive college ball. There is a reason he was taken late in the first round. I also don't care how much we traded to bring Jerami here.

The fact is I think Knecht is a bench piece but not a bad one... that's where I think he ends up. Jerami is a guy who can be the third or fourth best starter on a championship team. I think that his ability to score really efficiently on all three levels when not the focal point of an offense and defend really well would probably be the difference between the Lakers struggling in the first round and them having a solid chance at winning the whole fucking thing. So yeah, I'm not cool with giving the Lakers or any other team that kind of opportunity without them having to pay fair market value for it.

I can't follow the logic of, because Joe fleeced the Pistons when we got Jerami we should let the Lakers fleece us now. Once again SMH.

 

[blazerkor]

2nd rounder for Russell but 1st rounder(s) for Ant?

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I stand corrected a team that is in win now mode should have to pay at least a first rounder to get either guy. I do think that when looking at their efficiency and advanced stats for last season it is important to remember who they were playing with and what roles they were playing. Ant still did pretty good for being out of his depth as a first option on offense. I do think DLo is probably the better defender but that's not clearing a very high bar and I don't think he's clearing it by much.

Very similar players but again they both should have more value than the second rounders I suggested flipping DLo for.

 

[wizenheimer]

I stand corrected a team that is in win now mode should have to pay at least a first rounder to get either guy. I do think that when looking at their efficiency and advanced stats for last season it is important to remember who they were playing with and what roles they were playing. Ant still did pretty good for being out of his depth as a first option on offense. I do think DLo is probably the better defender but that's not clearing a very high bar and I don't think he's clearing it by much.

Very similar players but again they both should have more value than the second rounders I suggested flipping DLo for.

sure, there's some context that favors Ant, but since DLo has an advantage in most of the categories, I'm kind of skeptical the context offsets those advantages significantly

besides that, I think both players would be looked at as bench support. I can think of only two teams (other than Portland) that might have looked at Ant as a starter and those two teams signed KCP and Klay. Russell is cheaper, more efficient, and doesn't dominate the ball as much. I guess Ant can create his own offense more often, but this last season Ant was in the 40th percentile in isolation while Russell was in the 71st percentile. In PnR (ball handler), Ant was in the 68th percentile; Russell in the 67th percentile

again, you can apply context but I don't really think that context dramatically alters the gauges

 

[BonesJones]

I don't give a fuck where mocks had a dude that only showed he could be productive for one year of actually competitive college ball. There is a reason he was taken late in the first round. I also don't care how much we traded to bring Jerami here.

The fact is I think Knecht is a bench piece but not a bad one... that's where I think he ends up. Jerami is a guy who can be the third or fourth best starter on a championship team. I think that his ability to score really efficiently on all three levels when not the focal point of an offense and defend really well would probably be the difference between the Lakers struggling in the first round and them having a solid chance at winning the whole fucking thing. So yeah, I'm not cool with giving the Lakers or any other team that kind of opportunity without them having to pay fair market value for it.

I can't follow the logic of, because Joe fleeced the Pistons when we got Jerami we should let the Lakers fleece us now. Once again SMH.

Thank goodness we didn't let zero years of "competitive ball" stop us from drafting Dame.

 

[Whyachi]

Knecht is potentially the missing piece to our long term starting 5. Most mocks had him as a top 10 pick. We don't really want Grant anyway. If we could get a prospect like Knecht for him, I'd say take it and run.

We only acquired him for a 1st round pick,that will likely be rather late (the Bucks next year). So how much has his stock grown now that he's older and on a large contract?

I just watched Knecht's March Madness highlights. That kid can ball. But Blazer fans have a huge comp advantage.

can Dalton outplay: Avdija, Brogdon, Carrington, a 2029 FRP, and 2 second round picks? That's a lot for a Tennessee rookie to overtake.

 

[CJ_is_Gone]

Thank goodness we didn't let zero years of "competitive ball" stop us from drafting Dame.

What a straw-man argument here...

Knecht played 5 years of basketball in college. His first 3.5 years were very pedestrian by just about any standard. He had a very good season at Tennessee last year.

Dame pretty much dominated his last 3 seasons. Dame's statistical output for these 3 seasons was significantly better than what Knecht did last season.

All while Dame was about 1.5 years younger than Knecht in their last college season.

 

[blazerkor]

Thank goodness we didn't let zero years of "competitive ball" stop us from drafting Dame.

Nice one liner but are you an advocate of giving up Jerami for Knecht and salary filler?

 

[Natebishop3]

Nice one liner but are you an advocate of giving up Jerami for Knecht and salary filler?

Knecht/pick/filler.

Or two unprotected picks and filler.

 

[blazerkor]

Knecht/pick/filler.

Or two unprotected picks and filler.

That is what I think would be fair. Actually if it was say 2029 unprotected, I'd be cool with 2031 being top 10 protected for a few years before becoming a second rounder or something. The second FRP would just need to be likely to convey even if it was guaranteed not to be a really high pick. If it's Knecht I would want the pick to be guaranteed because he's already a low first rounder.

 

[inconceivable]

this seems to be the resting posture of most gms.

'we're being active but we're not going to make moves just to make moves, only if we're blown away...'

When you operate from a position of strength, you have that luxury. (Blazers)

When you operate from a position of weakness, there's a sense of urgency, you may need to overpay

 

[SharpesTriumph]

The Lakers seem to be running out of options. They have to feel the pressure to upgrade now. Just deal us Knecht and fillers and keep your other picks. He's 1 mid round pick.

17 in that draft is equivalent to what 27 in a typical draft? Need more

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Knecht is potentially the missing piece to our long term starting 5. Most mocks had him as a top 10 pick. We don't really want Grant anyway. If we could get a prospect like Knecht for him, I'd say take it and run.

We only acquired him for a 1st round pick,that will likely be rather late (the Bucks next year). So how much has his stock grown now that he's older and on a large contract?

Knecht is a less athletic Pat Connaughton, he's not the missing piece to a starting lineup.

 

[beast blazer]

Knecht is a less athletic Pat Connaughton, he's not the missing piece to a starting lineup.

They are not similar aside from both being white. Pat averaged like 10 ppg in college and was a 2nd round pick. Knecht was one of the leading scorers while being the focal point of team defenses, his offensive skill far exceeds Pat's.

 

[beast blazer]

I don't give a fuck where mocks had a dude that only showed he could be productive for one year of actually competitive college ball. There is a reason he was taken late in the first round. I also don't care how much we traded to bring Jerami here.

The fact is I think Knecht is a bench piece but not a bad one... that's where I think he ends up. Jerami is a guy who can be the third or fourth best starter on a championship team. I think that his ability to score really efficiently on all three levels when not the focal point of an offense and defend really well would probably be the difference between the Lakers struggling in the first round and them having a solid chance at winning the whole fucking thing. So yeah, I'm not cool with giving the Lakers or any other team that kind of opportunity without them having to pay fair market value for it.

I can't follow the logic of, because Joe fleeced the Pistons when we got Jerami we should let the Lakers fleece us now. Once again SMH.

Ok, you don't have to give a fuck. You're just not making a good case. A lot of players come out after one year, not being as productive as Dalton was.

And the logic is that the Blazers trade for Jerami showed what his value was to the rest of the league at that point in time. So why are we expecting 2 1st round picks now?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

And the logic is that the Blazers trade for Jerami showed what his value was to the rest of the league at that point in time. So why are we expecting 2 1st round picks now?

It's not just about his "value" in a vacuum, but also how much the current team wants him to go, and how important he would be to the acquiring team. A couple years ago, Detroit wanted to dump salary, so Portland's TPE was as important to them as the pick we gave. Now, Portland is already under the tax, so they don't have any huge incentive to dump Grant, whereas the Lakers need someone like him if they want to compete. As others have said, teams pay a premium for desperation. It is absolutely reasonable for the Blazers to expect 2 FRP's (or 1 pick and Knecht) from the Lakers for Grant given each team's current situation.

 

[beast blazer]

It's not just about his "value" in a vacuum, but also how much the current team wants him to go, and how important he would be to the acquiring team. A couple years ago, Detroit wanted to dump salary, so Portland's TPE was as important to them as the pick we gave. Now, Portland is already under the tax, so they don't have any huge incentive to dump Grant, whereas the Lakers need someone like him if they want to compete. As others have said, teams pay a premium for desperation. It is absolutely reasonable for the Blazers to expect 2 FRP's (or 1 pick and Knecht) from the Lakers for Grant given each team's current situation.

I think LA is under a lot of pressure to get someone. I'd rather have a prospect now though, then picks 5 years from now, especially one that could fill in at a position of need.

 

[Ed O]

I can't follow the logic of, because Joe fleeced the Pistons when we got Jerami we should let the Lakers fleece us now. Once again SMH.

You don't really think we fleeced Detroit, do you? We didn't give up a lot of value, for sure, but he's been next to useless at Portland.

I don't know what LA (or any other team) would give up to get him, but he's older and he is on a much bigger contract and he hasn't proven anything on the court for several years now (since before Detroit, maybe?) so I have a hard time believing we'll get much of anything for him... which I suspect is a big part of why he's still a Blazer.

 

[e_blazer]

You don't really think we fleeced Detroit, do you? We didn't give up a lot of value, for sure, but he's been next to useless at Portland.

I don't know what LA (or any other team) would give up to get him, but he's older and he is on a much bigger contract and he hasn't proven anything on the court for several years now (since before Detroit, maybe?) so I have a hard time believing we'll get much of anything for him... which I suspect is a big part of why he's still a Blazer.

The Blazers haven't accomplished much during his time here, but I'd say his production has been pretty solid. Last season in 54 games he averaged 21 ppg on 45.1% shooting, with 40.2% from 3. He sucks at rebounding, but that was always a known factor.

 

[wizenheimer]

Knecht/pick/filler.

Or two unprotected picks and filler.

I'd think two unprotected picks + filler for Grant is asking too much. Maybe the 2029 first unprotected + 2031 lottery protected (or 2030 swap top-5 protected...something along those lines, and that still may force the Lakers to balk)

I also think there are some obstacles in the filler (and maybe some opportunity). Russell + Hachimura puts the Blazers over the tax line and I'd estimate the Lakers value Rui a lot more and that would make them even less willing to part with draft assets. Russell + Vanderbilt is really close to revenue neutral for both teams; but Vanderbilt has a long-term contract. I suppose he's a decent tradable contract and that's a plus

what I'd really like to see is

Grant + Timelord
for
Russell + Vandy + Vincent + 2029 unprotected first + future pick/swap

that would give the Lakers, and Lebron if he was willing, the room to use their full MLE

then, I think Portland could flip Russell to a 3rd team for another pick. I think league-wide Russell may have close to the same value as Simons, so a lottery protected first or a late first may be a possibulity

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I'd think two unprotected picks + filler for Grant is asking too much. Maybe the 2029 first unprotected + 2031 lottery protected (or 2030 swap top-5 protected...something along those lines, and that still may force the Lakers to balk)

I also think there are some obstacles in the filler (and maybe some opportunity). Russell + Hachimura puts the Blazers over the tax line and I'd estimate the Lakers value Rui a lot more and that would make them even less willing to part with draft assets. Russell + Vanderbilt is really close to revenue neutral for both teams; but Vanderbilt has a long-term contract. I suppose he's a decent tradable contract and that's a plus

what I'd really like to see is

Grant + Timelord
for
Russell + Vandy + Vincent + 2029 unprotected first + future pick/swap

that would give the Lakers, and Lebron if he was willing, the room to use their full MLE

then, I think Portland could flip Russell to a 3rd team for another pick. I think league-wide Russell may have close to the same value as Simons, so a lottery protected first or a late first may be a possibulity

If D-Lo were included and could be flipped for another first, it could conceivably allow the Blazers to not require picks from the Lakers and still come out with a win. For example...

 

[blazerkor]

You don't really think we fleeced Detroit, do you? We didn't give up a lot of value, for sure, but he's been next to useless at Portland.

I don't know what LA (or any other team) would give up to get him, but he's older and he is on a much bigger contract and he hasn't proven anything on the court for several years now (since before Detroit, maybe?) so I have a hard time believing we'll get much of anything for him... which I suspect is a big part of why he's still a Blazer.

Detroit traded Jerami for that return because he was about to be on an expiring contract that they knew would see him walk. That was the position of strength that the Blazers had over the Pistons at the time. We took on every bit of Jerami's money leaving them a huge TPE and they got a FRP that I think they knew they could turn into Duren, it made sense for them but we got him at a discount.

Now we have a team in the Lakers that are desperate to get better. We also have Jerami locked into a deal so there is no way that he leaves for nothing. We have no pressure on us to make a deal with the Lakers under enormous pressure. So we should be able to sell him at a premium.

The idea that a dude is useless when he was one of the only scoring threats on this team and still hit 40% from three on high volume and has always played solid defense on anyone 2-3 is disingenuous. He's only been on really poorly built rosters since he's been here, so yeah when our team has tanked both season's he's been here, every player that has been on our rosters has been "useless" but a guy that shoots the three like he does and has the ability to score at all three levels and play high level defense across multiple positions is not useless to a team like the Lakers who are in desperate need for complementary pieces to play with LeBron and AD.

 

[wizenheimer]

If D-Lo were included and could be flipped for another first, it could conceivably allow the Blazers to not require picks from the Lakers and still come out with a win. For example...

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I'd still want to squeeze that 2029 first out of the Lakers and I'd let them keep Knecht. I'd think they would be willing to pay it if they could keep Hachimura and Knecht. I also think they'd have a lot of interest in Timelord even with his injuries

 

[Natebishop3]

I'd think two unprotected picks + filler for Grant is asking too much. Maybe the 2029 first unprotected + 2031 lottery protected (or 2030 swap top-5 protected...something along those lines, and that still may force the Lakers to balk)

I also think there are some obstacles in the filler (and maybe some opportunity). Russell + Hachimura puts the Blazers over the tax line and I'd estimate the Lakers value Rui a lot more and that would make them even less willing to part with draft assets. Russell + Vanderbilt is really close to revenue neutral for both teams; but Vanderbilt has a long-term contract. I suppose he's a decent tradable contract and that's a plus

what I'd really like to see is

Grant + Timelord
for
Russell + Vandy + Vincent + 2029 unprotected first + future pick/swap

that would give the Lakers, and Lebron if he was willing, the room to use their full MLE

then, I think Portland could flip Russell to a 3rd team for another pick. I think league-wide Russell may have close to the same value as Simons, so a lottery protected first or a late first may be a possibulity

I'd probably do that, but I'd be a little annoyed.