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And there were a large percentage of free blacks and chinese roaming the states then right?

And how many white slaves were around then?

I get your point, but its symantics man.

The fact is, we enslaved humans and then said they arent to be counted as whole people. and those who were enslaved were largely Black and Chinese.

Again... there were alot of white slaves working for free back then right?
I've already explained why the 3/5 compromise was enacted--to prevent the southern states from having more power than their free populations justified.

If you were one of the founding fathers, and you wanted to ensure that the southern states' egregious slave population didn't unfairly tip the balance of power in their direction, how would you suggest to counter their insistence that their involuntary population entitled them to more say in the government?
 
I think he was referring to black on black crime which is taking a huge back-seat compared to the police shootings, even though black on black crime is far and above more prevalent than police shootings.

I'm aware what he was referring to.
Rarely does mainstream media report on it because it doesn't draw the ratings like violence does.
Considering there are far more peaceful protests than violent... that the Media won't report on due to ratings.
But if anyone believes people aren't trying to do something about the race on race murders then they are severely out of touch.

It's an old excuse I grew up hearing that was used by a previous generation.
The younger generation won't tolerate that excuse anymore because that excuse is just a way to sweep a problem under the rug.
 
I don't disagree that they should be removed, but using this is apples to oranges when debating about honoring the anthem/country.

So.... you think it's not disrespectful to the flag and anthem to have a corporation's logo on it?
 
The constitution starts off with these three words, in large print.

WE THE PEOPLE


The problem is, when our constitution was written, “we the people” were only white males. No Blacks, no Native Americans, not even women could vote. None of them had a official say in our government.

A lot has changed since then, and more changes are coming. We are not perfect yet, but getting better.

To make everyone truly equal in our country is a long painful fluid process.

Hell, not even all white males. Only white, land owning males could vote.
 
I think he was referring to black on black crime which is taking a huge back-seat compared to the police shootings, even though black on black crime is far and above more prevalent than police shootings.

So is white on white crime but there isn't such a thing is there? :dunno:
 
I'm aware what he was referring to.
Rarely does mainstream media report on it because it doesn't draw the ratings like violence does.
Considering there are far more peaceful protests than violent... that the Media won't report on due to ratings.
But if anyone believes people aren't trying to do something about the race on race murders then they are severely out of touch.

It's an old excuse I grew up hearing that was used by a previous generation.
The younger generation won't tolerate that excuse anymore because that excuse is just a way to sweep a problem under the rug.

That is the problem though. The media and BLM pushing their agenda in the wrong direction. Police brutality exists, for every race. But if BLM REALLY wants to make a difference they should be focusing the majority of their efforts on the black on black crime epidemic in this nation. Instead they focus their attention on the smaller of the two issues and rarely touch on the thing that kills the black community the most.
 
Shhh adults are talking.

You like to say dismissive shit like this when you have no intelligent retort or any facts to back up said retort. Also, I'm the only one you do this to and it's getting pretty tiresome. Bordering on personal insult as you're speaking directly to me.

Not only is it bush league debating, it shows that even when given new info your hardline stance is an agenda that you're promoting.

Edit: you gonna answer the question?

Do you think it's not disrespectful to the flag and anthem to have a corporation's logo on it?
 
You like to say dismissive shit like this when you have no intelligent retort or any facts to back up said retort. Also, I'm the only one you do this to and it's getting pretty tiresome. Bordering on personal insult as you're speaking directly to me.

Not only is it bush league debating, it shows that even when given new info your hardline stance is an agenda that you're promoting.


LOL. OK dude.

The reason I didn't address it is because it's a dumb question; and you're trying in your own way to dismiss or bypass the more important problem here, exactly what BLM does in a lot of its rally's.

White on white crime exists. But,

1) not at the rate black on black crime occurs when you take into account 13% of the population. In 2015, reports say almost 6000 blacks were killed by other blacks by contrast only 258 were killed by police.

2) you don't see large groups of mainly white people rioting, burning, looting, destroying their neighborhoods when some dumb-ass cop (black or white) shoots and kills a white person. Why is that?
 
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Don't deflect. I've been complaining about it for years. I even sent a complaint to the Blazers that went unheard. There are 4 logos, each at a corner of the flag, as the anthem plays. THIS is MUCH more offensive than any players kneeling or huddling.
When you say the logos are on the flag, do you mean on the flag they project onto the court during the anthem?
 
Good thing this BLAZERS RELATED TOPIC got moved to the OFF TOPIC forum so that nobody can see the contentious discussion about THE BLAZERS.

 
Just wait, not standing for the national anthem will become a thing when Hillary stole the election from Trump!"
Good thing this BLAZERS RELATED TOPIC got moved to the OFF TOPIC forum so that nobody can see the contentious discussion about THE BLAZERS.



The thread has gone off topic. Now we're discussing black on black crime and MarAzul's family.
 
Just wait, not standing for the national anthem will become a thing when Hillary stole the election from Trump!"


The thread has gone off topic. Now we're discussing black on black crime and MarAzul's family.

Well isn't it your job to make the thread go back on topic Mr MOD? Do your job!
 
I think the Blazers should continue to huddle during the national anthem.

There.

It's back on topic. Put it back.
 
Gotta whitewash the main forum so we don't upset our Blazers overlords!

Because, obviously, the posters on this forum have seen soooooooooooo many advantages to being "The Official Forum of the Portland Trail Blazers."
 
LOL. OK dude.

The reason I didn't address it is because it's a dumb question; and you're trying in your own way to dismiss or bypass the more important problem here, exactly what BLM does in a lot of its rally's.

White on white crime exists. But,

1) not at the rate black on black crime occurs when you take into account 13% of the population. In 2015, reports say almost 6000 blacks were killed by other blacks by contrast only 258 were killed by police.

2) you don't see large groups of mainly white people rioting, burning, looting, destroying their neighborhoods when some dumb-ass cop (black or white) shoots and kills a white person. Why is that?

Those black people went to prison for killing other black people. Cops get away Scott free for killing us on camera. Why you STILL don't get this as an apples to oranges comparison is only because it doesn't fit your agenda.

In response to number 2, it's because they're to busy rioting over trivial things like a pumpkin festival.

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When you say the logos are on the flag, do you mean on the flag they project onto the court during the anthem?

Yes. As the flag projects onto the court the are Wells Fargo logos on every corner. This is far more disrespectful than exercising a right that the flag is supposed to stand for. One thing it doesn't stand for is fascism. Corporate entities controlling government. The very definition of fascism.
 
Those black people went to prison for killing other black people. Cops get away Scott free for killing us on camera. Why you STILL don't get this as an apples to oranges comparison is only because it doesn't fit your agenda.

Sure sometimes the cops get off. Guess what it happens when the kill white people too. So stuff that bullshit. But I see you don't have a real retort to the REAL epidemic facing your people. That is what BLM should focus on.

In response to number 2, it's because they're to busy rioting over trivial things like a pumpkin festival.

Uh huh.....
 
Yes. As the flag projects onto the court the are Wells Fargo logos on every corner. This is far more disrespectful than exercising a right that the flag is supposed to stand for. One thing it doesn't stand for is fascism. Corporate entities controlling government. The very definition of fascism.

LOL oh jeeze, I thought you were talking about a real flag.
 

Not really, but I know better than to even attempt to have a discussion with that mindset of "love it or gtfo" so I'll just take my leave with you here :cheers:
 
Yes. As the flag projects onto the court the are Wells Fargo logos on every corner. This is far more disrespectful than exercising a right that the flag is supposed to stand for. One thing it doesn't stand for is fascism. Corporate entities controlling government. The very definition of fascism.

US Flag code
· The flag should never be used for any advertising purpose…. Advertising signs should not be attached to the staff or halyard.

The US flag code is no longer enforced. This is a direct result of a US Supreme court decision with another part of the same flag code concerning the burning of the flag. The Supreme Court decision states banning the burning of the flag conflicts with the first amendment right of freedom of speech.

I do not agree with the Supreme Court decision.
I also do not agree with the Blazers adding advertising to the flag, it is poor judgment, and offensive.

Personally, I would never do business with Wells Fargo. I tried WF 40 years ago for a year or so. I did not like them then, and like them less today. The local credit unions are a much better banking option.
 
US Flag code
· The flag should never be used for any advertising purpose…. Advertising signs should not be attached to the staff or halyard.

The US flag code is no longer enforced. This is a direct result of a US Supreme court decision with another part of the same flag code concerning the burning of the flag. The Supreme Court decision states banning the burning of the flag conflicts with the first amendment right of freedom of speech.

I do not agree with the Supreme Court decision.
I also do not agree with the Blazers adding advertising to the flag, it is poor judgment, and offensive.

Personally, I would never do business with Wells Fargo. I tried WF 40 years ago for a year or so. I did not like them then, and like them less today. The local credit unions are a much better banking option.

I agree that burning the flag should be legal. Try saying something bad about your country of you're in Russia or South Korea. It's protected expression that should be afforded to citizens but NOT corporations.
 
I agree that burning the flag should be legal. Try saying something bad about your country of you're in Russia or South Korea. It's protected expression that should be afforded to citizens but NOT corporations.

So you think it is OK for any individual to wipe their ass with the flag, but not OK for a corporation to put its logo on the flag?

I disagree; everyone should be treated as equals. Maybe you have heard of that concept?
 
Gotta whitewash the main forum so we don't upset our Blazers overlords!

Because, obviously, the posters on this forum have seen soooooooooooo many advantages to being "The Official Forum of the Portland Trail Blazers."

The Blazers Front Office Did Harambe
 
Its like the right wing Jesus freaks that want to ban certain movies....
Banning things like this is what will derail our country.
What makes our country great is the freedom to CHOOSE to watch said movie. Or CHOOSE what you want to support without being tossed in a cement box for it.

So you're actually equating me simply stating it's disrespectful, to a group of zealots who want to censor art & entertainment... Good grief.

Who said we need to ban all forms of protest, or even ban this form of protest? All I said was it's disrespectful. You can choose to be disrespectful if that's your thing. I don't really care what you do, but I'm entitled to an opinion, and Scalma is entitled to call me an idiot for it.

The fact the Blazers did it together is the best thing yet and the fact that anyone is upset, offended or annoyed is mind boggling.

The fact that anyone could think it's not disrespectful, intentional or not, when professional athletes organize a united protest against the flag & national anthem, is to me mind-boggling.

There are many foreign players and almost to a man they still stand with their teammates during the national anthem. Why? Are they patriotic, or just respectful?

I'd be totally fine if they stopped the anthem before sports all together, like they do in other parts of the world. But if they're going to do it, it's really not that hard to stand there silently for two minutes and check out that hot chick two rows down. You don't need to kneel, you don't need to yell protests, you don't need to turn your back, just stand there. Soon it'll be over. You haven't become radicalized, nobody turned you into a mindless, narrow-minded patriotic drone. You're going to be okay.

Race inequality didn't change for the better or worse due to your body positioning during the anthem. And for those who say well at least we're talking about it - They'd been talking about each and every white-officer-kills-black-man story 24/7 long before Mr. Kaepernick wanted to draw attention to himself. People are taking about it because we've seen the video, heard the audio, seen it on the news day in and day out. Not because a few athletes have decided to huddle up and look at the floor during the anthem.

For those with their militaristic, narrow lines of what we should and shouldn't do. Keep that mindset in mind the next time someone forces you to do something you disagree with.

Oh that doesn't happen to you because you live in a free country? Then don't do it to others! Don't tell others how to protest and don't tell others how to respect the flag. Everyone's opinion and viewpoint is different.

How about you don't tell me what I can or can't say to others. Don't tell me to not give my opinion.

Second, again, nobody is forcing you to do anything. Hopefully that has penetrated your brain since it keeps being repeated to you. I can only dream.

I've never served, but I think equating having a military background to having a narrow view is bullshit. Pretty sure a guy who's been stationed around the world, or witnessed true atrocities first hand, or did a few tours in Afghanistan, has a much wider and well-informed view of the world than some white hipster from Portland who's never left the Northwest. Yet tomorrow they'll go write another blog or Facebook expose on why some aspect of the U.S. is bad. 'Why can't we all just get along, man?' Well fuck, I don't know, maybe go experience the rest of the world, particularly the Southern hemisphere and middle east. Take a day trip to North Korea while you're at. You might find your answer there. Who knows, you may even start to appreciate the United States, as completely imperfect as it is.

I think what's most important though, is that while these celebrities are stunting for publicity, that others are eventually able to make substantive change when it comes to race inequalities.
 

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