Trail Blazers huddle during national anthem as display of unity

[riverman]

I agree that burning the flag should be legal. Try saying something bad about your country of you're in Russia or South Korea. It's protected expression that should be afforded to citizens but NOT corporations.

I'm guilty

 

[rasheedfan2005]

Great post. Not only servicemen and servicewomen died for that flag. Millions of Natives and millions of slaves were killed too. And, since those times that flag has NEVER represented us all. Ask the black soldier who had to stand on the train while his German POW got a seat. He went and fought Nazi Germany for that flag and before he even got home knew that the flag he was fighting under didn't respect him or his people.

I get what you are saying but todays day and age you have plenty of guys like me who would stand if anyone was standing because i believe in respecting my brothers. And by brothers i mean the human race. I know there are plenty of people like me. I always give a seat to elderly, women or children in a public setting i dont care what race they are.

I thing our entire government was intended to adapt and change and i think we have changed thanks to greats like mlk jr. And the like. We are "united" states after all. The flag can represent that willingness to change, self reflect, and unite. Its all perspective.

 

[BonesJones]

I sure won't pay to see the team disrespect the nation and those that serve.

That's okay, Paul Allen doesn't need your money.

 

[blue32]

How about you don't tell me what I can or can't say to others. Don't tell me to not give my opinion.

Second, again, nobody is forcing you to do anything. Hopefully that has penetrated your brain since it keeps being repeated to you. I can only dream.

I've never served, but I think equating having a military background to having a narrow view is bullshit. Pretty sure a guy who's been stationed around the world, or witnessed true atrocities first hand, or did a few tours in Afghanistan, has a much wider and well-informed view of the world than some white hipster from Portland who's never left the Northwest. Yet tomorrow they'll go write another blog or Facebook expose on why some aspect of the U.S. is bad. 'Why can't we all just get along, man?' Well fuck, I don't know, maybe go experience the rest of the world, particularly the Southern hemisphere and middle east. Take a day trip to North Korea while you're at. You might find your answer there. Who knows, you may even start to appreciate the United States, as completely imperfect as it is.

I think what's most important though, is that while these celebrities are stunting for publicity, that others are eventually able to make substantive change when it comes to race inequalities.

Well done sir. Well done.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The Blazers Front Office Did Harambe

 

[Chris Craig]

So what happens when we play the Raptors this year? Do the players continue to huddle during the Canadian anthem? Personally, I think they should stand up straight for it.

I thought the Canadian anthem was when the Blazers should do their stretching

 

[MarAzul]

That's okay, Paul Allen doesn't need your money.

I am sure he doesn't, but he does need butts in the seats. He best suspend having the National Anthem before games if he is going to allow the players to disrespect the tradition, the Nation, and all those that have served.

 

[oldfisherman]

I do not like the players huddling during the Anthem. But, I do not believe it is a serious issue to spend a lot of time on.

It is similar to when your infant children spit their food out and make a mess. You do not like it, but, accept it as a part of the process of their growing up.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I am sure he doesn't, but he does need butts in the seats. He best suspend having the National Anthem before games if he is going to allow the players to disrespect the tradition, the Nation, and all those that have served.

You don't think elimination of the pre-game anthem would be met with ten times more vitriol than these huddles are?

 

[MarAzul]

You don't think elimination of the pre-game anthem would be met with ten times more vitriol than these huddles are?

Probably. Starting with the NBA I imagine.

 

[MarAzul]

process of their growing up.

Perhaps. But the NBA has been around for 70 years or so now without this disrespectful display being part of the growing up process.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I've already explained why the 3/5 compromise was enacted--to prevent the southern states from having more power than their free populations justified.

If you were one of the founding fathers, and you wanted to ensure that the southern states' egregious slave population didn't unfairly tip the balance of power in their direction, how would you suggest to counter their insistence that their involuntary population entitled them to more say in the government?

Id start by saying its wrong to enslave people and they are now free and should now be counted. Surprised your debating this.

 

[Orion Bailey]

So you're actually equating me simply stating it's disrespectful, to a group of zealots who want to censor art & entertainment... Good grief.

Who said we need to ban all forms of protest, or even ban this form of protest? All I said was it's disrespectful. You can choose to be disrespectful if that's your thing. I don't really care what you do, but I'm entitled to an opinion, and Scalma is entitled to call me an idiot for it.



The fact that anyone could think it's not disrespectful, intentional or not, when professional athletes organize a united protest against the flag & national anthem, is to me mind-boggling.

There are many foreign players and almost to a man they still stand with their teammates during the national anthem. Why? Are they patriotic, or just respectful?

I'd be totally fine if they stopped the anthem before sports all together, like they do in other parts of the world. But if they're going to do it, it's really not that hard to stand there silently for two minutes and check out that hot chick two rows down. You don't need to kneel, you don't need to yell protests, you don't need to turn your back, just stand there. Soon it'll be over. You haven't become radicalized, nobody turned you into a mindless, narrow-minded patriotic drone. You're going to be okay.

Race inequality didn't change for the better or worse due to your body positioning during the anthem. And for those who say well at least we're talking about it - They'd been talking about each and every white-officer-kills-black-man story 24/7 long before Mr. Kaepernick wanted to draw attention to himself. People are taking about it because we've seen the video, heard the audio, seen it on the news day in and day out. Not because a few athletes have decided to huddle up and look at the floor during the anthem.



How about you don't tell me what I can or can't say to others. Don't tell me to not give my opinion.

Second, again, nobody is forcing you to do anything. Hopefully that has penetrated your brain since it keeps being repeated to you. I can only dream.

I've never served, but I think equating having a military background to having a narrow view is bullshit. Pretty sure a guy who's been stationed around the world, or witnessed true atrocities first hand, or did a few tours in Afghanistan, has a much wider and well-informed view of the world than some white hipster from Portland who's never left the Northwest. Yet tomorrow they'll go write another blog or Facebook expose on why some aspect of the U.S. is bad. 'Why can't we all just get along, man?' Well fuck, I don't know, maybe go experience the rest of the world, particularly the Southern hemisphere and middle east. Take a day trip to North Korea while you're at. You might find your answer there. Who knows, you may even start to appreciate the United States, as completely imperfect as it is.

I think what's most important though, is that while these celebrities are stunting for publicity, that others are eventually able to make substantive change when it comes to race inequalities.

Okay... first.
When did I say YOU in my first couple of lines. I said IT's.
So no, I was not specifically using that as a rebuttal to you specifically. It was a generalistic statement. Alot of this post I agree with.
Anyone can voice their opinions. Its when we start forcing those opinions that it gets out of hand.

You are inferring that I told you what to or not to say and I don't believe I did. I suck at proper articulation unless its verbal.

My point is its all opinions and nobody should tell anyone they cant voice them and this can go on and on and on and on. Dont tell me what to do... don't tell ME what to do...

Ugh...

My point is, why? It will just be an endless circle of negativity.

Let the protest play out. Its peaceful. Look the other way. Feel your pride in being an American and don't let others deter that simply because they have differing viewpoints of the flag and the national anthem.

Yes you have the right to voice your opinion thinking its disrespectful and I have the right to voice my opinion that I think your being narrowminded (not really)

In order to break these cycles, someone has to be the better man, so lets move on and just treat individuals with respect, no matter gender, sexual preference or race.
That will cease the need for protests and cease the need to protest the protests...

Surely we can agree on that, no?

Again, I'm not telling anyone to do anything. I'm just voicing my opinions on how to stop the bigotry and how to stop the complaints about the protests... Take it as you see fit.

 

[BonesJones]

I am sure he doesn't, but he does need butts in the seats. He best suspend having the National Anthem before games if he is going to allow the players to disrespect the tradition, the Nation, and all those that have served.

He won't have a problem with that. He's not gonna suspend the national anthem because of the few like you who get way to caught up in what other people are doing.

 

[Orion Bailey]

He won't have a problem with that. He's not gonna suspend the national anthem because of the few like you who get way to caught up in what other people are doing.

Another great point. Too many people are soo worried about what OTHERS are doing when odds are they are probably disrespecting someone in another way on a daily basis.

Worry about yourself! Not everyone else....

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Id start by saying its wrong to enslave people and they are now free and should now be counted. Surprised your debating this.

And as correct as that would have been, there would have been no United States if the northern states had insisted on that platform, and then Britain would likely have been able to return and reverse the result of the revolution with the colonies divided. You can't see how that would have been considered a worse result?

 

[BonesJones]

Another great point. Too many people are soo worried about what OTHERS are doing when odds are they are probably disrespecting someone in another way on a daily basis.

Worry about yourself! Not everyone else....

It's getting worse and worse. It's to the point where if you don't have the same beliefs, viewpoint, or you're doing something that someone else wouldn't do or doesn't agree with, then they'll be extremely offended, angry, or look down upon you with no respect for the difference between you two, or for the viewpoint you have.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Celtics holding hands during the anthem last night was a callback to the 1960-61 Celtics who held hands to make a civil rights statement

 

[Orion Bailey]

And as correct as that would have been, there would have been no United States if the northern states had insisted on that platform, and then Britain would likely have been able to return and reverse the result of the revolution with the colonies divided. You can't see how that would have been considered a worse result?

Correct. However with time, things can be modified. Shouldnt have taken how a couple centuries...

 

[PtldPlatypus]

It's getting worse and worse. It's to the point where if you don't have the same beliefs, viewpoint, or you're doing something that someone else wouldn't do or doesn't agree with, then they'll be extremely offended, angry, or look down upon you with no respect for the difference between you two, or for the viewpoint you have.

I'm offended that you have that viewpoint regarding everyone expecting unanimity of beliefs and viewpoints. I'm extremely angry with you now, and look down on you disrespectfully as a result of your differing viewpoint.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Correct. However with time, things can be modified. Shouldnt have taken how a couple centuries...

OK...not sure exactly what you're arguing here, but OK.

Still, the point remains that given the choice of counting slaves as equal parts of the population and giving the South unreasonable power and control over the United States, and dividing the colonies and allowing the Brits to come back and re-conquer a weakened America, neither of those options were palatable. Since you continue to insist that the 3/5 compromise reflects racism rather than unfortunate necessity, what alternative would you have preferred?

 

[Orion Bailey]

OK...not sure exactly what you're arguing here, but OK.

Still, the point remains that given the choice of counting slaves as equal parts of the population and giving the South unreasonable power and control over the United States, and dividing the colonies and allowing the Brits to come back and re-conquer a weakened America, neither of those options were palatable. Since you continue to insist that the 3/5 compromise reflects racism rather than unfortunate necessity, what alternative would you have preferred?

No, no, I get you. Im just saying we have amendments meant to radify/modify our constitution. We never amended it. We just omitted it. So I see that as a bit of a slight. If you get a copy of today's Constitution, it says all persons. But there was never an amendment directed to fix this. At some point we just changed it. And since we did, Im saying we could have done it alot sooner. The reasons why it reads as it does from the original, I get your point. But it is Still a slight on anyone not white/ ie not free.

 

[noknobs]

It's getting worse and worse. It's to the point where if you don't have the same beliefs, viewpoint, or you're doing something that someone else wouldn't do or doesn't agree with, then they'll be extremely offended, angry, or look down upon you with no respect for the difference between you two, or for the viewpoint you have.

Exactly. It's like if I think something's disrespectful I get a bunch of shit for it and called names. Oh but I'm sure that's completely different than what you're referring to...

 

[Orion Bailey]

Exactly. It's like if I think something's disrespectful I get a bunch of shit for it and called names. Oh but I'm sure that's completely different than what you're referring to...

LOL....

 

[PtldPlatypus]

No, no, I get you. Im just saying we have amendments meant to radify/modify our constitution. We never amended it. We just omitted it. So I see that as a bit of a slight. If you get a copy of today's Constitution, it says all persons. But there was never an amendment directed to fix this. At some point we just changed it. And since we did, Im saying we could have done it alot sooner. The reasons why it reads as it does from the original, I get your point. But it is Still a slight on anyone not white/ ie not free.

the 14th amendment changed it. The 3/5 compromise was part of the apportionment of representatives to the House. After slavery was abolished by the 13th, the reference to slaves was overridden by the 14th.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourt...of_representation_in_House_of_Representatives

Section 2 altered the way each state's representation in the House of Representatives is determined. It counts all residents for apportionment, overriding Article I, Section 2, Clause 3 of the Constitution, which counted only three-fifths of each state's slave population.

 

[dviss1]

So you think it is OK for any individual to wipe their ass with the flag, but not OK for a corporation to put its logo on the flag?

I disagree; everyone should be treated as equals. Maybe you have heard of that concept?

Corporations are not people.

 

[Orion Bailey]

the 14th amendment changed it. The 3/5 compromise was part of the apportionment of representatives to the House. After slavery was abolished by the 13th, the reference to slaves was overridden by the 14th.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourt...of_representation_in_House_of_Representatives

Ahh so they wapped it in. I was searching for its own amendment.

And how many years did it take for this to happen? Too long is my point.

 

[noknobs]

Okay... first.
When did I say YOU in my first couple of lines. I said IT's.
So no, I was not specifically using that as a rebuttal to you specifically. It was a generalistic statement. Alot of this post I agree with.

Um, you quoted me. And the sentence immediately before this you said, "And you should be celebrating the ability fo them to do this. Not condemning." So forgive me for thinking it was directed at me...

Anyone can voice their opinions. Its when we start forcing those opinions that it gets out of hand.

Again... Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. You're just arguing with yourself at this point.

I suck at proper articulation unless its verbal.

I agree with you on this issue.

Yes you have the right to voice your opinion thinking its disrespectful and I have the right to voice my opinion that I think your being narrowminded (not really)

In order to break these cycles, someone has to be the better man, so lets move on and just treat individuals with respect, no matter gender, sexual preference or race.
That will cease the need for protests and cease the need to protest the protests...

Surely we can agree on that, no?

That sounds like a great world to live in. Hopefully if a few more athletes huddle together during the anthem it will come true.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Um, you quoted me. And the sentence immediately before this you said, "And you should be celebrating the ability fo them to do this. Not condemning." So forgive me for thinking it was directed at me...



Again... Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. You're just arguing with yourself at this point.



I agree with you on this issue.



That sounds like a great world to live in. Hopefully if a few more athletes huddle together during the anthem it will come true.

you are right. And if we complain about these huddles a bit more it will DEFINITELY COME TRUE... right?

Aren't there bigger issues in this world to bitch about? Like what they are protesting?

I use the word You far more than I should. Often I use it when I mean anyone. "You" meaning someone. My error, but my points remain the same and sound.

People are bitching about their bitching.... when does it stop????? It stops when someone is the better man. I'm saying you, (And I do mean you now) have the ability to be this.
Ill show you how it works, starting now...
Carry on.