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...covered in # 2451...unless the GOP can unite, (and I have my doubts) the moderates could well be voted out of office during the midterm elections.

...and the GOP not standing up to Trump is the problem. They are as divided as this country and I also now have my doubts if they will get anything meaningful done at all. There are too many who are lined up against him and just as many who are blindly loyal to him and also a good number who are too wishy washy...not a good formula for success.
 
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totus44 said:
Blame game is politics as usual, Obama was as much of an abuser on that front.

As for impeachment one of 2 things have to happen...GOP grows the balls to stand up to Trump (IE his supporters) or the DEms get a super majority in both houses. Not likely given the mid term election.

We are stuck with the Twittidiot
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Roflol-
Rockin' Robin-tweet tweet tweet.....^^^
 
yankeesince59 said:
...covered in # 2451...unless the GOP can unite, (and I have my doubts) the moderates could well be voted out of office during the midterm elections.

...and the GOP not standing up to Trump is the problem. They are as divided as this country and I also now have my doubts if they will get anything meaningful done at all. There are too many who are lined up against him and just as many who are blindly loyal to him and also a good number who are too wishy washy...not a good formula for success.
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^^^ to what ye' said....

divided we stand...? - wasn't that supposed to be united we stand. What a

Congressional cluster fk. An indictment of all, including voters.
 
Wait...there are moderates left? Where? Obama, Reid and Pelosi eliminated any last vestige of moderate Democrat.

And by definition Republicans can't be considered moderate if the support the current GOP platform.

The mid term cycle is stacked against the democrats and besides Trump and GIP will use the obstructionist bend to expand GOP position.

Any other analysis at this time is liberal spin and wishful thinking.
 
I f Trumpo concentrates on Infrastructure the bi partisan unity will occur. A trillion dollars (over time) is a ridiculous but so are the costs of one aircraft carrier and a couple of subs. If they eliminated foreign aid, a flat top and two subs the cost could be palatable. 1.png Apple_will_reportedly_introduce_a-4519f67010de92782f65afb7773ee5a5.png
 
...S.H.^^^, I was surprised that they decided to take on health care first...I mean, I would think that if he started out with the less important parts of his agenda it would be easier to get through the House and Senate...small running plays and short passes to begin with would have given Trump some momentum moving forward as well as helping his credibility problem...instead, he attempted a poorly constructed "hail Mary pass" on health care...and was intercepted.


...fwiw, this whole thing with Devin Nunes and The White House reeks of BS...Nunes looks like a man who is hiding something.
 
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yankeesince59 said:
^^^lol...yeah, whatever you say, Tote....btw, The Tuesday Group says hello
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lol! Oh they can call themselves moderates, but my point was that's not how they are characterized by the left. They are still all fiscal conservatives and ascribe to the planks loathed by the left, the only common theme is that they all hail from legacy Blue States.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...S.H.^^^, I was surprised that they decided to take on health care first...I mean, I would think that if he started out with the less important parts of his agenda it would be easier to get through the House and Senate...small running plays and short passes to begin with would have given Trump some momentum moving forward as well as helping his credibility problem...instead, he attempted a poorly constructed "hail Mary pass" on health care...and was intercepted.


...fwiw, this whole thing with Devin Nunes and The White House reeks of BS...Nunes looks like a man who is hiding something.
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Trumps supporters demand lots of fresh red meat....ridding the the govt of the prefix Obama- was always going to be high priority. Its still doable, but they have got to get away from these mega-bills.

Nunes is a tool looking for a job in the administration, lol!

As for Kushner, his mission is an important one. Killing the bureaucracy is key to everything. Its actually commonplace in business Ron to have a team of "killers" come into an organization and shake up the status quo of corporate bureaucracy. Now if he could have the Bobs do what they did in Office Space and put the meetings on CSPAN, I think we have something worth watching, lol!
 
totus44 said:
lol! Oh they can call themselves moderates, but my point was that's not how they are characterized by the left. They are still all fiscal conservatives and ascribe to the planks loathed by the left, the only common theme is that they all hail from legacy Blue States.
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...well you're arguing with yourself because that was never the point until you decided to make it one...if you relook at what I said, my original point (#2451) has nothing to do with how "moderate" members of The House are viewed by Dems, or by you, or whether they even exist (and they do), but instead, how their constituents back home will view them because of the broken promises that were made to them...and if those moderates cannot "find a way to uphold their promise to totally repeal Obamacare the moderates may very well be voted out of office in the mid-term elections which could possibly tilt the scales in the other direction and result in the Dems taking over both Houses once again.

...that's it, nothing more, nothing less.
 
totus44 said:
Trumps supporters demand lots of fresh red meat....ridding the the govt of the prefix Obama- was always going to be high priority. Its still doable, but they have got to get away from these mega-bills.

Nunes is a tool looking for a job in the administration, lol!

As for Kushner, his mission is an important one. Killing the bureaucracy is key to everything. Its actually commonplace in business Ron to have a team of "killers" come into an organization and shake up the status quo of corporate bureaucracy. Now if he could have the Bobs do what they did in Office Space and put the meetings on CSPAN, I think we have something worth watching, lol!
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...wow, are you actually defending this?...seriously?

...Kushner has no business being given this assignment in the first place... he's even less experienced than Trump.


...Kushner; no government experience, no policy experience, no diplomatic experience, and business experience limited to his family’s real estate development firm, a brief stint as a newspaper publisher, and briefly bidding to acquire the Los Angeles Dodgers,
...will be working on trade, Middle East policy in general, an Israel-Palestine peace deal more specifically, reforming the Veterans Administration, and solving the opioid crisis...


...yeah, Kushner will be a difference maker...his only claim to fame is that he's fucking Trump's Daughter...he'll be just as dysfunctional as his Father In Law.
 
If you believe that it takes experience to gut a bureaucracy then I guess we all should stop playing baseball gm by the same token, lol!
 
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yankeesince59 said:
...well you're arguing with yourself because that was never the point until you decided to make it one...if you relook at what I said, my original point (#2451) has nothing to do with how "moderate" members of The House are viewed by Dems, or by you, or whether they even exist (and they do), but instead, how their constituents back home will view them because of the broken promises that were made to them...and if those moderates cannot "find a way to uphold their promise to totally repeal Obamacare the moderates may very well be voted out of office in the mid-term elections which could possibly tilt the scales in the other direction and result in the Dems taking over both Houses once again.

...that's it, nothing more, nothing less.
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Ah okay, we missed each other's points. No harm. I wouldn't worry just yet, the house isn't going back to the dems. And if anything your moderates are more in danger from conservatives based on precedent with the Tues group.
 
Just so underscore where I stand, I'm a conservative and a constructionist. That puts me somewhere between Ted Cruz and Rand Paul. Like both it means I root for the GOP.

I'm happy the Yanks won in 2009, hate Arod but he was on the team and winning outweighed his stain. Trump is like that for me. Stuck with that contract so as long we win and the Sux (i.e. Democrats) lose, I don't care who the fucking DH is.
 
...not at all sure how and why you keep correlating MLB and our Government...they're nothing alike, Tote.

...come to Trump's defense all you want if it makes you feel better... it appears that you're "getting tired of winning"...just like Trump promised we would. :biglaugh:



...couldn't resist.
 
totus44 said:
lol! Oh they can call themselves moderates, but my point was that's not how they are characterized by the left. They are still all fiscal conservatives and ascribe to the planks loathed by the left, the only common theme is that they all hail from legacy Blue States.
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ya' mean this state cannot be revised to the only Black and Blue state...?
 
totus44 said:
Just so underscore where I stand, I'm a conservative and a constructionist. That puts me somewhere between Ted Cruz and Rand Paul. Like both it means I root for the GOP.

I'm happy the Yanks won in 2009, hate Arod but he was on the team and winning outweighed his stain. Trump is like that for me. Stuck with that contract so as long we win and the Sux (i.e. Democrats) lose, I don't care who the fucking DH is.
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wait a sec, you mean you don't care who the DH is, as long as it's not/wasn't- Shrek...!
 
yankeesince59 said:
...if Trump seriously thinks he can manipulate China into doing his bidding he's even more delusional than I thought.
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^^^^^
59, You've long seen through this arrogant pompous ignorant fool, whose playing a dangerous game, and imo, is going to tailor our banking system, to his own ends, and leave us all by doubling the deficit in no time ....

The fox is guarding the hen house, but ya' long known this....

this guy's got no business in the White House...~!~
 
The Chinese Presidential visit (Jinping) should be a trump circus or a diplomatic achievement. From what we have seen so far from his tweet storms, it appears his focus is on his skin rather than our saving our ass.
 
The Gorsuch nomination and shit storm crucifixion by the Dems proves to me that this government is really backwards and tail chasing like a dog trying to bite it's own wagger rather than accomplishing something. We need fireman to run this place, not $100G polished suit self absorbed residents in DC.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...if Trump seriously thinks he can manipulate China into doing his bidding he's even more delusional than I thought.
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oh make no mistake about it, china can be manipulated. the last thing they want is the US rebuilding its manufacturing power or our infrastructure. what Trump knows is exactly what US business people know, chinese are eager to please, have an inferiority complex and have skin as thin as his own.

I'll be in Shanghai in a month and can give you the perspective on Trump and the US from our multibillion dollar business partner.
 
...my comment was in reference to Trump trying to strong arm China into taking strong action/sanctions on N. Korea...don't see that happening.
 
...also, I really wish Trump would just stop his Twitter idiocy and quit tipping his hand as to what his intentions are. Before today's' meeting with China's head honcho, Trumps spews that “Well, if China is not going to solve North Korea, we will." Sorry, but IMO, that's just fucking dumb because China now has even less reason to get involved with throttling N. Korea. If they take Trump for his ill-chosen words, China can take a neutral position and simply let Trump and the US do all the dirty work.
 
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