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I hate taxes of all kinds
so how are you going to pay for infrastructure, education, law enforcement and health care....out of profits from your no income tax world...no sales tax...no consumer tax...no import tax..ok......explain how you do this if you have some magical solution.
 
so how are you going to pay for infrastructure, education, law enforcement and health care....out of profits from your no income tax world...no sales tax...no consumer tax...no import tax..ok......explain how you do this if you have some magical solution.

Look, I am not that dense to believe that we can live in a world tax free. But I also understand that the American people are taxed far to heavily. There has to be a balance and logic to it. Far to many things are being taxed (like my f'n property taxes) to supply services to people.
 
Thanks Trump.

Oh give him time to include some teaching. So he keeps the popular feature of, Insurance companies can't reject previous conditions. But the mandate for everyone to buy insurance goes by the way side.

Well you can't do this, no one could buy the insurance, it would not be worth the cost. So, next will be no insurance available because they can't sell it. Then the things can get fixed, people will have learned how it works.

Give it time.
 
Oh give him time to include some teaching. So he keeps the popular feature of, Insurance companies can't reject previous conditions. But the mandate for everyone to buy insurance goes by the way side.

Well you can't do this, no one could buy the insurance, it would not be worth the cost. So, next will be no insurance available because they can't sell it. Then the things can get fixed, people will have learned how it works.

Give it time.

Marzy, you mentioned you have a Plan B for yourself. How about your wife? What's the plan for her?
 
Plan B for yourself. How about your wife? What's the plan for her?

The company I worked for provide us with insurance and when they were persuaded not to do this, they coughed up a few bucks a year to buy it on the market.
Well it isn't really enough money to do two, so I decided to just rely on the VA after awhile. Moda dropping me out caused me to pull the trigger. I also stopped paying Medicare Part B payments.
So VA is it for me.

My wife needs to find a new company for this coming year, not many sell it here in Coos County, and to make things worse you need to match up doctors and hospitals in network with the insurance available. To compound this issue, you need to find a doctor that is willing to take on new Medicare patients.

We have not been able to do this so far, but I guess the back stop is, starting over with Doctors in Eugene and use my son address as her place of residence.
A damn piss poor replacement for insurance we had provide in compensation for more than 30 years of service. Insurance that was usable anywhere we went with no restrictions on in or out of network horse shit.
 
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. Insurance that was usable anywhere
That really pisses me off...I had Moda before retiring from my state job....my dentist wouldn't accept our new policy...I think that should be against the law. We found another dentist but over the years, I've given this guy a lot of referrals and business.....he hates Obama....that's his reason for refusing Oregon Fair Health plan patients
 
he hates Obama

Perhaps you might see why this happens. He has not been a help to everyone you see. He simply lies to the public on TV, but leaves those fucked, just there, without remorse.
I would hate to be a doctor, being squeezed by the insurance companies, Medicare, and Medicaid, to deliver within their dictated prices without regard to the doctor's costs.
They are no longer in private enterprise these days, and most can not afford to have too high a percentage of their patients in these programs.
 
Perhaps you might see why this happens. He has not been a help to everyone you see. He simply lies to the public on TV, but leaves those fucked, just there, without remorse.
I would hate to be a doctor, being squeezed by the insurance companies, Medicare, and Medicaid, to deliver within their dictated prices without regard to the doctor's costs.
They are no longer in private enterprise these days, and most can not afford to have too high a percentage of their patients in these programs.
He can do what he likes....the money was exactly the same if I used my old insurance or the new....that's not his issue with refusing some insurance and excepting others...I also don't want my doctor talking his politics while I'm paying him to work on my teeth...hell you can't even talk back with your mouth full of novocaine
 
off the subject Marz....started re-reading Jack London's "Voyage of the Snark" .....great, great sailing adventure book..recommend it if you haven't read it
 
There is definitely truth here. I've had a weight problem all my life, smoked off and on for 40+ years, drank far more than I should have, ate way, way too much garbage food and got little physical activity (outside my job). And when I retired 3 years ago I really started to slide, despite heart disease, high blood pressure, Type 2 Diabetes and recurrent gout. It wasn't until I started having knee problems and facing potential knee replacement (along with hitting my 60's) that I have started to take my health seriously. I quit smoking for good, started exercising more, cut my drinking to almost nothing and started really watching what I eat, especially in terms of sugar and carbs (still a serious daily struggle). In the past year I have dropped some weight, gotten fitter, lowered my BP to the point I'm almost entirely off BP meds and I'm am within a whisker of going off diabetes meds (which will likely happen in the next 3 months). And I may be able to keep knee replacement at bay for the rest of my life. Still working on that 4 orgasm thing though....Other than age associated aches and pains I feel the best I have in years. All the preventative medicine in the world doesn't do shit if we don't make an effort to take care of ourselves and too many people have the same outlook I used to have, namely "I'll eat, drink smoke and sit on my ass all I want because doctors and medicines will save me". I think we owe it to ourselves to help those who genuinely can't help themselves, but people who can help themselves but won't should be left to sink or swim.....

Two things I don't agree with as far as the ACA goes are;

Requiring people to have health care. If they don't want it, so be it. They're on their own.

Requiring parents to provide insurance for their 26 year old "children". These are adults who should be treated as such. I can understand if the kid is living at home and is a full time student under the age 23. Otherwise, I call bullshit.

Thank you for taking personal responsibility for your health. Your results are awesome. Quiting the cigs must've been hard as a MF. I'm glad you'll be off those diabetes meds. My mother has terrible diabetes. It's nothing to fuck with. Congrats on your better health.

2 things: people aren't on their own. Thanks to Reagan, no one is denied care. What happens when they get sick or hurt? They go to the ER and we ALL pay for them. They should do what you do and take personal responsibilityfor their health.

They don't require kids to stay on. You simply have the ability to. If the kid has their own job that has healthcare, they don't go on mommy/daddy's healthcare. It's an option to help your kid stay covered when they're in school and to save money when they're a bit older.
 
What king of inhaler is he using? I have horrible asthma myself and am dumbfounded how expensive maintenance inhalers cost too.

Flovent which is twice daily. He has an Albuterol rescue inhaler.
 
Flovent which is twice daily. He has an Albuterol rescue inhaler.
Ah. Never heard of it. I take symbicort and albuterol. Albuterol was like $5. Symbicort is $50/month with my insurance. I had a heart attack about it. Why are they so expensive
 
Because the inhaler cost 1.5787 per unit, don't think they don't get the price known to the smallest unit.

So, multiply that times 100 and what do you get?

If they just said 150 bucks it would actually sound made up. 157.87 sounds precise.

Balls on them. The albuterol is $3.50 and the flovent is $54.95 in Canada.
 
Balls on them. The albuterol is $3.50 and the flovent is $54.95 in Canada.
I figured if it was 3.50 in Canada it was probably about a buck fifty at cost. That just happens to be right around 100 times the way it is priced. You know greedy assholes are everywhere
 
off the subject Marz....started re-reading Jack London's "Voyage of the Snark" .....great, great sailing adventure book..recommend it if you haven't read it

I may have. I have read couple of his books and tried a few more. The ones that caught my fancy years ago were by Eric Hiscock. Cruising under Sail and Voyaging Under Sail.
Great stuff.
 
off the subject Marz....started re-reading Jack London's "Voyage of the Snark" .....great, great sailing adventure book..recommend it if you haven't read it

I enjoyed reading his short story, "To Build a Fire." That story and Richard Connell's, "The Most Dangerous Game," really took hold of me and brought my attention to the joy of reading.
 
He wants to amend 80% of it. Wants to keep some part of it like patients with preconditions and the part that allows your kids to carry the insurance until the age of 26.

But this has been in his message from the beginning.
 
I may have. I have read couple of his books and tried a few more. The ones that caught my fancy years ago were by Eric Hiscock. Cruising under Sail and Voyaging Under Sail.
Great stuff.
non fiction...sailed a 20 ft boat from the Bay Area west for 2 years with his wife...great photos too..I think you'd like it...he talks about Slocum's 3 year journey which is also a good sea story
 
I enjoyed reading his short story, "To Build a Fire." That story and Richard Connell's, "The Most Dangerous Game," really took hold of me and brought my attention to the joy of reading.
I consider Jack London to be one of the great American novelists...his imagery is deep...I write down quotes after I read them just to contemplate how good they are..and I never do that with most reading material
 
He wants to amend 80% of it. Wants to keep some part of it like patients with preconditions and the part that allows your kids to carry the insurance until the age of 26.

But this has been in his message from the beginning.
So your saying it's not any real big news then?
 
One skill Trump has is announcing things.....until the next day when he changes his mind
 
This is great news. I don't want to lose my very affordable health insurance.

Mine is $1,257.00 a month this year as opposed to $302.00 4 years ago for the same plan. My insurer MODA is pulling out after December leaving Beautiful Central Oregon with no actual options for comprehensive health insurance coverage whether Obamacare or otherwise. Why do you, a Hollywood star who can afford to jetset around the country watching Blazers games, get affordable health insurance when hardworking farmers, ranchers, construction workers... do not?
 
Mine is $1,257.00 a month this year as opposed to $302.00 4 years ago for the same plan. My insurer MODA is pulling out after December leaving Beautiful Central Oregon with no actual options for comprehensive health insurance coverage whether Obamacare or otherwise. Why do you, a Hollywood star who can afford to jetset around the country watching Blazers games, get affordable health insurance when hardworking farmers, ranchers, construction workers... do not?
I guess I don't understand how you get charged that much per month.....I had Moda for many years and it wasn't that much through the district...I'd shop around if I were you .....maybe you have health issues they penalize you for or you make too much income on paper....some local doctors and dentists are offering to cut deals with patients if they use cash instead of their insurance..... 12 hundred bucks is outrageous...
 
Trump said from Day 1 he liked the pre-existing condition protection and for young adults living with their parents. He repeated it over and over throughout the campaign. It was reported over and over and over the last year and a half on Fox News.

Anyone buying this nonsense that some kind of change in position by Trump has occurred is an idiot who is comfortable believing what CNN tells them even after Wikileaks has exposed CNN as a fake news organization guilty of committing fraud on the American public by manipulating the election process.

As for dismantling Obamacare, it is already crumbling in large population centers and no longer even available to most of rural America.
 
Anyone buying this nonsense that some kind of change in position by Trump has occurred is an idiot
So you're saying Trump is an idiot? I heard him say exactly that he would change some positions on camera sitting next to Obama..and repeat it the next day...he tends to change course with the tides...I think he's humbled by what he's faced with now and for me.....it's a good thing. This administration is going to be run by the party machine with Pence doing the dirty work and Trump making the speeches...just like Bush Cheney.....they have total control. Trump will be that photo op figurehead...I'll judge his work when I see some.....you might want to actually listen to what Trump says before judging those who may disagree with you
 
I guess I don't understand how you get charged that much per month.....I had Moda for many years and it wasn't that much through the district...I'd shop around if I were you .....maybe you have health issues they penalize you for or you make too much income on paper....some local doctors and dentists are offering to cut deals with patients if they use cash instead of their insurance..... 12 hundred bucks is outrageous...

I am self-employed. Most people living in rural America are either self-employed or working for small businesses which can't afford to provide supplemented insurance.

I had MODA for years also, before Obamacare. Then we lost it due to a pre-existing condition, then were able to get back on because of Obamacare, but at 4 times the cost.

If I took 3 or 4 months off each year I could reduce my income enough to get subsidized, but no comprehensive plans are available through any insurer next year so it's a moot point.
 
So you're saying Trump is an idiot? I heard him say exactly that on camera sitting next to Obama..and repeat it the next day...

And he has always said it, throughout his entire campaign. No change of position, this has always been his position.
 
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