Turner's return

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

What role do you see him taking? Back to the starting lineup? Or absorbing 'Bazz's minutes and some of Crabbe's?

I'm really excited to see him and Nurk work together, his defense will also be nice to have back.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Starting Center.

 

[H.C.]

Teams can't sag off Crabbe, I expect him to not lose any minutes. he's the only consistent shooter outside of Lillard/CJ.
Napier isn't running the team all that effectively. I expect him to lose all of his minutes on Turners return.
I also expect Harkless to lose his minutes late in the game.
But I think Turner will come off the bench until Harkless proves he doesn't deserve to start.

 

[Scalma]

Off the bench to start, but with the closing unit at the end of games.

 

[Sinobas]

He should be a towel waver. What does he bring to the court?

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

He should be a towel waver. What does he bring to the court?

Passing, defense, post offense from a perimeter player. The PnR he and Nurk will run should be phenomenal.

 

[Troy.Ave]

He should be a towel waver. What does he bring to the court?

Dude Turner has been doing well outside of that first month and half of the season.

Especially since he's been starting Turner has really turned it around.

Trust me I hated the signing and the way he started the season as well

 

[JDC]

Passing, defense, post offense from a perimeter player. The PnR he and Nurk will run should be phenomenal.

Post offense is the main thing for me. Would love if Stotts featured him more heavily here. It's really the only play type he's been efficient at this year (ok iso scorer) and it's a spot you can put him on the floor where he draws enough attention from the defense to open things up for others with some sort of consistency.

It almost makes me think that we should stagger most of he and Nurkic's minutes, although Nurkic's screen setting and mid range touch would still make him valuable in these situations.

I do agree that the two of them could have good chemistry in the pnr as well. None of others have been able to gain that w/ Turner but Nurkic actually has the hands + coordination to be a good partner for him. And even if the pass isn't there, Nurkic's screen setting + roll man gravity should open up Turner's mid range game more than we've seen this year.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Teams can't sag off Crabbe, I expect him to not lose any minutes. he's the only consistent shooter outside of Lillard/CJ.
Napier isn't running the team all that effectively. I expect him to lose all of his minutes on Turners return.
I also expect Harkless to lose his minutes late in the game.
But I think Turner will come off the bench until Harkless proves he doesn't deserve to start.

Napier had 5 assists in 14 minutes tonight. I would play them together if ET comes off the bench.

 

[Strenuus]

Dude Turner has been doing well outside of that first month and half of the season.

Especially since he's been starting Turner has really turned it around.

Trust me I hated the signing and the way he started the season as well

We didn't have many rowers in the "Stay patient with Turner" boat. I got lots of muscles, though.

 

[illmatic99]

Turner is fine as a 12 mil/yr player. It's his 18 mil/yr that really bugs everyone.

 

[H.C.]

Has the team set a date yet?

 

[0-Our!]

We didn't have many rowers in the "Stay patient with Turner" boat. I got lots of muscles, though.

True, glad to have u Atlas! I've been in here the whole time, I've just been dedicating my muscles to some 12 oz. curls!

 

[HolyBackboard]

What role do you see him taking? Back to the starting lineup? Or absorbing 'Bazz's minutes and some of Crabbe's?

I'm really excited to see him and Nurk work together, his defense will also be nice to have back.

Discussed this on this week's podcast. I'm very apprehensive about his return. Moe simply can not go back to the bench as he's proven to put up more consistent numbers when he starts. Also, this better not mean that Bazz goes out of the rotation. I don't think it's a coincidence that our post-All-Star break run started when he was inserted late in the Orlando game. Portland has been playing well with a shorter rotation, so I hope Stotts doesn't mess that up as we round out the season.

 

[BlazerWookee]

I trust Stotts to make the best decision.

 

[Scalma]

Discussed this on this week's podcast. I'm very apprehensive about his return. Moe simply can not go back to the bench as he's proven to put up more consistent numbers when he starts. Also, this better not mean that Bazz goes out of the rotation. I don't think it's a coincidence that our post-All-Star break run started when he was inserted late in the Orlando game. Portland has been playing well with a shorter rotation, so I hope Stotts doesn't mess that up as we round out the season.

The run started because of Nurkic. Napier barely plays and Turner is a much better facilitator and defender anyway. Napier can sit his ass down. Remember, the team was playing well after Turner got inserted into the lineup. Can't wait to see how he plays off of Nurkic.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

The run started because of Nurkic. Napier barely plays and Turner is a much better facilitator and defender anyway. Napier can sit his ass down. Remember, the team was playing well after Turner got inserted into the lineup. Can't wait to see how he plays off of Nurkic.

Gotta give Bazz some credit, he has kept our offense's ball movement going and has played solid D. He has been sort of a 2015 Steve Blake for us, nothing spectacular but isn't hurting our second unit.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I am liking Napier as well, and the 5 assists last night in 14 minutes is not the reason. Bottom line is neither ET or CJ are really PG's. That extra ball handler with the 2nd unit helps. (and 3 pt shooter) And as it turns out he is a pesky defender as well.

But if you split the SF minutes between ET and Harkless then Crabbe loses minutes......unless you give some minutes to Harkless at PF?

I think it will vary with the matchups. In some games Napier plays less (ET plays in the backcourt) and some games maybe Noah plays less at PF but takes some center minutes from Meyers? Again it depends on the matchups and who has the hot hand.

But in 48 minutes I would go with:

Dame 33
CJ 33
Harkless 24
Vonleh 22
Nurk 28

Napier 10
ET 24
Meyers 18
Aminu 24
Crabbe 24

 

[BBert]

Napier has exceeded my expectations.

 

[stampedehero]

I read he injured his right hand in the 4th Q but no alarming info was attached to it. Could be fake Trump news.......Hope he is OK. I Would like to see a ten game win streak (no jinx)

 

[H.C.]

Napier has exceeded my expectations.

I'm the opposite.
To me he's been a severe disappointment.
Especially after his pre-season performance when I was saying. It's going to be difficult to keep Napier out of the rotation.
Regardless of his 5 assists last night, I still saw possessions where he tried to be CJ and dribbled for 10-15 seconds only to take a fadeaway jumper. He hit one of those last night, but generally that's a bad shot. Even worse when it's your backup point doing that.

 

[Schilly]

The 2nd unit benefits from having a legit PG playing with it as opposed to CJ and/Turner. That combination with the 2nd unit is just not efficient. I'm in the boat of maintaining a more traditional lineup of PG being your primary ball handler/floor general, 2 wings and 2 posts. Those positions have established themselves over the history of basketball due to spacing and overall efficiency. Occasionally you will find an anomaly that breaks the overall mold and works (Draymond Green) but not very often.

 

[Schilly]

I'm the opposite.
To me he's been a severe disappointment.
Especially after his pre-season performance when I was saying. It's going to be difficult to keep Napier out of the rotation.
Regardless of his 5 assists last night, I still saw possessions where he tried to be CJ and dribbled for 10-15 seconds only to take a fadeaway jumper. He hit one of those last night, but generally that's a bad shot. Even worse when it's your backup point doing that.

His stats are up across the board per 36 from his prior 2 seasons.

I kinda chuckle when people complain about the PG dribbling too much, that's kind of their job.

 

[H.C.]

His stats are up across the board per 36 from his prior 2 seasons.

I kinda chuckle when people complain about the PG dribbling too much, that's kind of their job.

Per 36 is such a dumb way to evaluate how a player is doing. They're not playing 36 minutes a night for a reason.

I kinda chuckle when people complain about Lillard shooting 30 footers, it's kinda his job to score.

 

[Schilly]

Per 36 is such a dumb way to evaluate how a player is doing. They're not playing 36 minutes a night for a reason.

I kinda chuckle when people complain about Lillard shooting 30 footers, it's kinda his job to score.

It's exactly the same as saying "His scoring is down this year but so are his minutes" except someone has done the math so you can use a common denominator that is actually comparable. I agree in many cases it's isn't a good measuring stick like comparing Dame to Quarterman, but when you are comparing a player to his same role from a previous season, or 2 players who play the same role, it's at least a close barometer.

It's good to laugh.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I'm the opposite.
To me he's been a severe disappointment.
Especially after his pre-season performance when I was saying. It's going to be difficult to keep Napier out of the rotation.
Regardless of his 5 assists last night, I still saw possessions where he tried to be CJ and dribbled for 10-15 seconds only to take a fadeaway jumper. He hit one of those last night, but generally that's a bad shot. Even worse when it's your backup point doing that.

He only took the one shot last night. There could not have been too many of those possessions. Regardless I think he has gotten better with more playing time.

 

[BBert]

I'm the opposite.
To me he's been a severe disappointment.
Especially after his pre-season performance when I was saying. It's going to be difficult to keep Napier out of the rotation.
Regardless of his 5 assists last night, I still saw possessions where he tried to be CJ and dribbled for 10-15 seconds only to take a fadeaway jumper. He hit one of those last night, but generally that's a bad shot. Even worse when it's your backup point doing that.

I had lower expectations.

 

[Schilly]

He only took the one shot last night. There could not have been too many of those possessions. Regardless I think he has gotten better with more playing time.

Shabazz was 1/1 last night, could it be that CJ and Shabazz look the same to someone?

 

[H.C.]

It's exactly the same as saying "His scoring is down this year but so are his minutes" except someone has done the math so you can use a common denominator that is actually comparable. I agree in many cases it's isn't a good measuring stick like comparing Dame to Quarterman, but when you are comparing a player to his same role from a previous season, or 2 players who play the same role, it's at least a close barometer.

It's good to laugh.

Spencer Hawes

He only took the one shot last night. There could not have been too many of those possessions. Regardless I think he has gotten better with more playing time.

Shabazz was 1/1 last night, could it be that CJ and Shabazz look the same to someone?

Passing out and leaving your teammate out to dry because you dribbled for 10-15 seconds is a bad possession too.(Crabbe bailed him out at least once last night by hitting a contested 3)
But hey it's not like I haven't mentioned this previously about Napier.
Napier played well last night, but that doesn't mean he deserves to have continuous minutes.
Unless you both think Layman should be getting minutes for his GSW game early in the year?
I wonder what happened against the Nets when he went 1-5 with 1 assist and 1 turnover.
You have to go all the way back to his former team to find another statistical decent game by Napier.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Napier played well last night, but that doesn't mean he deserves to have continuous minutes.
.

I'm just advocating for about 10 minutes a game so CJ can stay at SG and ET can stay at SF.

I admit I was wrong when I said earlier in the year that ET should be used strictly as a guard. But ET plays well next to Dame and CJ, as does Harkless, as does Crabbe. Amazing since I keep hearing that CJ/Dame just take turns going one-on -one and never pass.