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In honor of the 2020 presidential race.

This one's for Biden/Harris vs. Trump/Pence.

 
The DNC embraces John Kasich, a republican, over Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. (AOC gets a 1 minute prerecorded slot)

https://www.cleveland.com/open/2020...ratic-national-convention-will-it-matter.html

I find it quite telling that democratic leadership embrace republicans over the left wing... of their very own party.
You picked one person and resolved that she represents the majority of the Left most part of the party. Why leave out Bernie and Warren? Won't they be attending the convention, virtually, of course?
 
The DNC embraces John Kasich, a republican, over Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. (AOC gets a 1 minute prerecorded slot)

https://www.cleveland.com/open/2020...ratic-national-convention-will-it-matter.html

I find it quite telling that democratic leadership embrace republicans over the left wing... of their very own party.
I actually love this. Next time someone here says, "I am Republican, and actually voted for Kasich in the primary" as an excuse for their continued Trump support, I am going to laugh my ass off.
 
The DNC embraces John Kasich, a republican, over Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. (AOC gets a 1 minute prerecorded slot)

https://www.cleveland.com/open/2020...ratic-national-convention-will-it-matter.html

I find it quite telling that democratic leadership embrace republicans over the left wing... of their very own party.

what is telling is that you seem to think AOC is the spokesperson for the entire progressive wing of the party. How much time do other progressives have? Bernie, Elizabeth Warren...Kamala Harris for that matter

the D's are trying to appeal to the middle, to independents, and to disaffected R's. Giving time to Kasich is smart
 
what is telling is that you seem to think AOC is the spokesperson for the entire progressive wing of the party. How much time do other progressives have? Bernie, Elizabeth Warren...Kamala Harris for that matter

the D's are trying to appeal to the middle, to independents, and to disaffected R's. Giving time to Kasich is smart

And in their appeal to the middle, independents and republicans, they have dragged themselves too far to the right for most progressives tastes. Both parties disdain "the squad", and it shows. (Democrats and republicans hate the left.)

I don't claim to be a progressive. I will support the candidate/party that actually gives a crap about people. Neither the democrats nor the republicans do. And it shows.
 
I actually love this. Next time someone here says, "I am Republican, and actually voted for Kasich in the primary" as an excuse for their continued Trump support, I am going to laugh my ass off.

Hmmm? Now who might come in here and say something like that? :devilwink:
 
Kasich who as governor vastly restricted women's rights, voting rights, unions. He's Trump's agenda with better manners.
 
Kasich who as governor vastly restricted women's rights, voting rights, unions. He's Trump's agenda with better manners.

He's an example of whats funny about the GOP. It really doesn't take much for people to look at one of them and go "hey, he's actually a decent person", despite track record proving otherwise.

Instead, they trolled out a clown who has pretty much alienated 60% (at min) of the country.
 
He's an example of whats funny about the GOP. It really doesn't take much for people to look at one of them and go "hey, he's actually a decent person", despite track record proving otherwise.

Instead, they trolled out a clown who has pretty much alienated 60% (at min) of the country.
I don't think that is something specific to the GOP or DNC though...
 
I don't think that is something specific to the GOP or DNC though...

That's true, but one group buys it a lot better than the other. As i've said before, Republicans buy what they're sold far more than Democrats do.
 
That's true, but one group buys it a lot better than the other. As i've said before, Republicans buy what they're sold far more than Democrats do.
I'm not totally sure how one would quantify that. I would have to go find it, but I thought like a year ago there was some study showing that democrats tended to trust the government and mainstream media more and republicans tended to trust other things more. I don't know if that really quantifies it, but I guess it could be an aspect of that. I think everyone (myself included) is somewhat gullible, or given to trust / like people based on perception rather than evidence and proof that someone is trustworthy.
 
Kasich who as governor vastly restricted women's rights, voting rights, unions. He's Trump's agenda with better manners.

Yeah...people seem to think Trump is a Republican anomaly, but the only thing that is anomalous about him is his greater willingness to break the social compact. Republicans (as a party, not necessarily every single individual person) have been playing on racism and sexism to win elections since Nixon. Ronald Reagan's team, which became the elder Bush's team, which partly became and partly molded the younger Bush's team, made extensive use of dog whistles to scare white voters and signal to them that poor black people (and immigrants) were coming for their middle class prosperity and Democrats were just going to let them, but Republicans would protect them. In that sense, Trump isn't remotely an outlier or anything new as a Republican. He just correctly judged the moment and understood that a populist "tell it like it is" (i.e. being rude, insulting and, most of all, explicitly racist and sexist) campaign would make best use of the standard Republican playbook. Or he may have just gotten lucky and happened to run that sort of campaign at the perfect moment for it. Either way, he's not a break from the modern line of Republicans in beliefs and policy--just in style.
 
Yeah...people seem to think Trump is a Republican anomaly, but the only thing that is anomalous about him is his greater willingness to break the social compact. Republicans (as a party, not necessarily every single individual person) have been playing on racism and sexism to win elections since Nixon. Ronald Reagan's team, which became the elder Bush's team, which partly became and partly molded the younger Bush's team, made extensive use of dog whistles to scare white voters and signal to them that poor black people (and immigrants) were coming for their middle class prosperity and Democrats were just going to let them, but Republicans would protect them. In that sense, Trump isn't remotely an outlier or anything new as a Republican. He just correctly judged the moment and understood that a populist "tell it like it is" (i.e. being rude, insulting and, most of all, explicitly racist and sexist) campaign would make best use of the standard Republican playbook. Or he may have just gotten lucky and happened to run that sort of campaign at the perfect moment for it. Either way, he's not a break from the modern line of Republicans in beliefs and policy--just in style.
Bernie and Trump actually had quite a bit in common in 2016 when it came to some of the populist stuff.
https://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2...nders-and-donald-trump-have-in-common/422907/

They also basically hate the democrats and get a lot of that hate back so they have that in common lol.
 
Bernie and Trump actually had quite a bit in common in 2016 when it came to some of the populist stuff.

I agree--that's why Sanders came from out of nowhere in 2016. Populism was big and both Sanders and Trump tapped into it. Trump was helped in his primary by being up against a bunch of people who split the vote for a while, whereas Sanders had to compete with an establishment favorite who had largely cleared the field. I think if Trump had been up against one establishment favorite the entire time, while Sanders had a divided field (like 2020's), I think it's quite possible Sanders wins the Democratic nomination and Trump doesn't win the Republican nomination.
 
I agree--that's why Sanders came from out of nowhere in 2016. Populism was big and both Sanders and Trump tapped into it. Trump was helped in his primary by being up against a bunch of people who split the vote for a while, whereas Sanders had to compete with an establishment favorite who had largely cleared the field. I think if Trump had been up against one establishment favorite the entire time, while Sanders had a divided field (like 2020's), I think it's quite possible Sanders wins the Democratic nomination and Trump doesn't win the Republican nomination.
I think it (and this might be confirmation bias as I havent studied it up that much), is evidence that while people may have different ideas on how to get government to a certain place. People generally agree on and want similar thing’s. I think there is a lot of money and such involved in making people think they’re isolated from others, or that other people are there enemies.
 
I think it (and this might be confirmation bias as I havent studied it up that much), is evidence that while people may have different ideas on how to get government to a certain place. People generally agree on and want similar thing’s. I think there is a lot of money and such involved in making people think they’re isolated from others, or that other people are there enemies.

I think it ebbs and flows. At times, people lose trust in government and "elites" and want "regular guys" who will be "about the people." And at other times, they want people who seem practiced and efficient at governance. I don't think that's random, I think one is a response to the other. Populism is a backlash against a feeling that government is becoming too bureaucratic and filled with cronyism and then there's a backlash to populism when people feel that government is ineffective. The Democratic primary wasn't populist at all, which is why Sanders couldn't capitalize on a large field and I suspect this won't be a populist year in the general either. A huge pandemic and a sense that the government (especially at the federal level) was totally overmatched will do that.
 
I think it ebbs and flows. At times, people lose trust in government and "elites" and want "regular guys" who will be "about the people." And at other times, they want people who seem practiced and efficient at governance. I don't think that's random, I think one is a response to the other. Populism is a backlash against a feeling that government is becoming too bureaucratic and filled with cronyism and then there's a backlash to populism when people feel that government is ineffective. The Democratic primary wasn't populist at all, which is why Sanders couldn't capitalize on a large field and I suspect this won't be a populist year in the general either. A huge pandemic and a sense that the government (especially at the federal level) was totally overmatched will do that.
I listen to a lot of political crap and I honestly have no idea what the general election is gonna look like... The right seems to think they're gonna blow out the democrats and vice versa. The only thing that the political commentators seem to agree on is the country is in a not so great place...
 
I listen to a lot of political crap and I honestly have no idea what the general election is gonna look like... The right seems to think they're gonna blow out the democrats and vice versa. The only thing that the political commentators seem to agree on is the country is in a not so great place...
I had read where independants have grown at a faster rate than gems & repub's, and even libertarians are growing at a faster rate than all parties. Currently, Ind. represent 29.9% Republicans 28.87% & Dems 39% of registered voters. If republicans & democrats lean to far right or left and there are factions within the parties it could prove to be interesting to see what happens in the future.
 
I had read where independants have grown at a faster rate than gems & repub's, and even libertarians are growing at a faster rate than all parties. Currently, Ind. represent 29.9% Republicans 28.87% & Dems 39% of registered voters. If republicans & democrats lean to far right or left and there are factions within the parties it could prove to be interesting to see what happens in the future.
To be fair and I always say I'm an independent though the political tests I've taken always say I'm probably closest aligned with libertarians, I think many people say they're "independent" and just about always end up voting for the same party.
 
To be fair and I always say I'm an independent though the political tests I've taken always say I'm probably closest aligned with libertarians, I think many people say they're "independent" and just about always end up voting for the same party.
agree...I think a great % of independents are partisan for sure, but as the 2 major get to extreme, that could change some.
I was a demo for years and even a republican for a while, Im an independent now but probably align more with libertarians, as for me weighted criteria starts with fiscal responsibility, smaller government with social programs that help, and I lean more capitalism for innovations and competition which can benefit consumers and provide opportunity.
 
I'm not totally sure how one would quantify that. I would have to go find it, but I thought like a year ago there was some study showing that democrats tended to trust the government and mainstream media more and republicans tended to trust other things more. I don't know if that really quantifies it, but I guess it could be an aspect of that. I think everyone (myself included) is somewhat gullible, or given to trust / like people based on perception rather than evidence and proof that someone is trustworthy.
Perhaps a qualitative analysis would be more appropriate for you. This would include a much more general quantitative analysis. e.g. Which party do you think relies more on science and expertise. You don't need exact figures.
 
Perhaps a qualitative analysis would be more appropriate for you. This would include a much more general quantitative analysis. e.g. Which party do you think relies more on science and expertise. You don't need exact figures.
Even with quantitative analysis weights are usually put in based on human bias. I don't know if anyone has actually done quantitative analysis on who is more likely to be gullible (for lack of a better word). I also don't know how I'd weight the notion of who "relies more on science and experts", would that be considered a good thing or a bad thing in this analysis. On one hand, you have better transmission of data, because there is a trust there that said scientist or expert is trustworthy, and you can rely on them to tell the truth, which is definitely a good thing or at least can be if the information gave is good. On the other hand, if someone doesn't rely on the experts that could mean that they're going to seek out answers for themselves, and if the data given is "bad" they will not fall trap to it as easily. Which one is more gullible? I don't know.

I think there are dangers in just saying well so and so is an expert so therefore just gonna do what they say. Also, think we've advanced science and technology quite a bit by building off of knowledge hard-earned by those before us. There's probably a good reason to balance those things out, but again not sure how I'd quantify all that, and I'm not totally sure which out-look is given to more 'gullibility'.

If someone has done some sort of quantitative analysis on if your political views make you more or less likely to "buy" what someone is, "selling", I havent seen it.
 
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