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oldfisherman said:
False
Ukraine's man power is not even close to being depleted. It is estimated they have had about 100,000 casualties, out of a population of 36,000,000, or 0.3%.

The reason for the higher average age of the Ukranian soldiers is because most of the civilians called to service had prior military service and training. Much like the USA during the Korean War, calling up WW2 vets.
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And why do you think they're dipping into their older population? No, that is not normal. In WW2 the average age of a US serviceman was 26. It seems the casualties have been under-reported.

Also not sure why you would cite the entire population of Ukraine. How many of those 36 million are men of typical fighting age, between 20 and 30?

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beast crnjo said:
And why do you think they're dipping into their older population? No, that is not normal. In WW2 the average age of a US serviceman was 26. It seems the casualties have been under-reported.

Also not sure why you would cite the entire population of Ukraine. How many of those 36 million are men of typical fighting age, between 20 and 30?

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Voodoo chart. Last Ukraine census was 2001.

The rest, wow, you have no clue what your talking about.
 
oldfisherman said:
Voodoo chart. Last Ukraine census was 2001.

The rest, wow, you have no clue what your talking about.
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If you don't understand that a nation with a population of 36 million doesn't have anywhere close to a pool of 36 million from which to draw a military force...wow. The only other part of my post, which must be "the rest" you are speaking of...was simply relaying the fact that the average age of a US serviceman was 26, to counter the false comparison you made.

Logic is obviously not your strong point.
 
beast crnjo said:
If you don't understand that a nation with a population of 36 million doesn't have anywhere close to a pool of 36 million from which to draw a military force...wow. The only other part of my post, which must be "the rest" you are speaking of...was simply relaying the fact that the average age of a US serviceman was 26, to counter the false comparison you made.

Logic is obviously not your strong point.
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Son, you are turning faulty propaganda into a total train wreck. You need a clue.

WW2 ended in 1945, the Korean war ended in 1953.

How old was your 26 year old WW2 soldier when he fought in Korea? Keep in mind, many were older.

The reason both the USA and Ukraine called up older vets was the same reason nba teams have older savvy vets on their team, to be mentors.

No country would draft young men, then in two weeks, have these untrained, poorly equiped raw recruits fighting at their badly organized battle front, without mentors. That would result in an extremely high casualty rate. Oh wait, that is Russia's battle plan.
 
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oldfisherman said:
Son, you are turning faulty propaganda into a total train wreck. You need a clue.

WW2 ended in 1945, the Korean war ended in 1953.

How old was your 26 year old WW2 soldier when he fought in Korea? Keep in mind, many were older.

The reason both the USA and Ukraine called up older vets was the same reason nba teams have older savvy vets on their team, to be mentors.

No country would draft young men, then in two weeks, have these untrained, poorly equiped raw recruits fighting at their badly organized battle front, without mentors. That would result in an extremely high casualty rate. Oh wait, that is Russia's battle plan.
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I have no idea what you're talking about.

I stated that the average age of the Ukrainian soldier is 43. You stated that was not dissimilar to the age of our soldiers in ww2, I clearly refuted your point by stating the actual age of soldiers in ww2 was 26.

The average age was not 43 at the start of the war, it increased to do DEATH OF YOUNG UKRANIAN SOLDIERS.
 
beast crnjo said:
I have no idea what you're talking about.

I stated that the average age of the Ukrainian soldier is 43. You stated that was not dissimilar to the age of our soldiers in ww2, I clearly refuted your point by stating the actual age of soldiers in ww2 was 26.

The average age was not 43 at the start of the war, it increased to do DEATH OF YOUNG UKRANIAN SOLDIERS.
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I am going to do something I have never done before.

I have a policy of taking time to study every point of view, especially those opposite of mine. That is how I learn.

Sometimes, discussions between friends becomes too heated to continue. Best to cool off and stay friends.

One thing I will never tolerate is an endless stream of lies. Your posts are lies.

First time ever to ban soneone.
 
The average fighting age of Ukrainian troops is skewed because of a platoon of 120yr old Nazis that have been secretly fighting for Obama against Russia.

If you don't count them the average age of Ukrainian soldiers is 3yrs old.

They're known as the Meth Baby Brigade!
 
SlyPokerDog said:
See their name under their picture? He doesn't have a picture but you can see the box where it should, click on their name, it will bring up a box, click on the word Ignore.
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Thanks, got it. And it is ignore, not ban.

Hope I never have to ignore anyone again.
 
oldfisherman said:
I am going to do something I have never done before.

I have a policy of taking time to study every point of view, especially those opposite of mine. That is how I learn.

Sometimes, discussions between friends becomes too heated to continue. Best to cool off and stay friends.

One thing I will never tolerate is an endless stream of lies. Your posts are lies.

First time ever to ban soneone.
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I’m having trouble finding the lies here, aside from the ones being repeated from mainstream news sources. Ukraine’s young volunteer army is nearly (if not completely) decimated and conscripts are being used. That’s just a fact. Not sure why such a heavy investment is being made to suggest otherwise.
 
jonnyboy said:
I’m having trouble finding the lies here, aside from the ones being repeated from mainstream news sources. Ukraine’s young volunteer army is nearly (if not completely) decimated and conscripts are being used. That’s just a fact. Not sure why such a heavy investment is being made to suggest otherwise.
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It is not a fact. It is a lie spread by the Russian propaganda machine. Probably believed by Russian generals sitting behind a desk. Which is why they get their butts kicked daily.

Most Ukrainian soldiers are vets called up, or new volunteers, which are many. Plus there are the foreign fighters. Very few Ukrainians have been drafted. However everyone between 18 an 60 years old is required to register for the draft. I believe some woman are also required, but not sure of the details.

Speaking of woman. Did you know about 50,000 Ukrainian woman have joined the military. Many work at duties to free up men to go to the front. But a surprising number of Ukrainian woman are so pissed off at Russia, they have volunteered to be front line snipers and tanks operators. I would not want to go up against a pissed off woman that has a tank, and knows how to use it.
 
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oldfisherman said:
Son, you are turning faulty propaganda into a total train wreck. You need a clue.

WW2 ended in 1945, the Korean war ended in 1953.

How old was your 26 year old WW2 soldier when he fought in Korea? Keep in mind, many were older.

The reason both the USA and Ukraine called up older vets was the same reason nba teams have older savvy vets on their team, to be mentors.

No country would draft young men, then in two weeks, have these untrained, poorly equiped raw recruits fighting at their badly organized battle front, without mentors. That would result in an extremely high casualty rate. Oh wait, that is Russia's battle plan.
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I was just finishing the second and third to last sentence thinking "Russia would..."
 
oldfisherman said:
It is not a fact. It is a lie spread by the Russian propaganda machine. Probably believed by Russian generals sitting behind a desk. Which is why they get their butts kicked daily.

Most Ukrainian soldiers are vets called up, or new volunteers, which are many. Plus there are the foreign fighters. Very few Ukrainans have been drafted. However everyone between 18 an 60 years old is required to register for the draft. I believe some woman are also required, but not sure of the details.

Speaking of woman. Did you know about 50,000 Ukrainian woman have joined the military. Many work at duties to free up men to go to the front. But a surprising number of Ukrainan woman are so pissed off at Russia, they have volunteered to be front line snipers and tanks operators. I would want to met a pissed off woman with a tank.
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Not only that but guys who have lost a leg or vision from one eye have gone back to combat. That's what you do when you are fighting for the very existence of your country and your people.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
BBC video report from Avdiivka, Ukraine, which is now the center of hostilities. russians taking huge losses there in their desperate attempt to take an insignificant town, averaging 7000 dead a week over the last 3 weeks. Why does Ukraine bother defending it. They are very well dug in and have fire control over all approaches. Of course the russians are destroying the city, where their supposedly russian people live.
(sorry that was just three weeks, not 33!)
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Saw a report a few days ago on the "theory" of why Avdiivka is so important to Putin. If this is false, or you have better intel, let me know.

The Avdiivka chemical and coke (type of coal, not nose candy) plant is one of the largest in that part of the world. The products it produces are neccesary for the large steel mills and manufacturing plants in Mariupol, which Russia captured about a year ago.

It appears Putin wants all of these plants for some reason. Without the Avdiivka plants, the Mariupol plants will be much more difficult to operate.
 
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Russia says co-existence not possible with Ukraine's current 'regime'

MOSCOW, Nov 21 (Reuters) - Russia cannot co-exist with the present "regime" in Kyiv, a senior Russian official said on Tuesday, reaffirming the goals of what President Vladimir Putin calls a special military operation to "demilitarise" Ukraine.

Putin sent troops into Ukraine in February 2022, triggering a war in Europe and the most serious confrontation between Russia and the West since the depths of the Cold War.

"The current regime (in Kyiv) is absolutely toxic, we do not see any options for co-existence with it at the moment," Russian Ambassador-at-Large Rodion Miroshnik told reporters in Moscow.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy has ruled out talks with Putin, while leaving the door open to talks with Russia.

Miroshnik's post was created to collect evidence of alleged Ukrainian crimes against civilians. Moscow also faces allegations by Kyiv and its allies that Russian forces have committed war crimes in Ukraine. Moscow denies the allegations.

Miroshnik, a former official in the Russian-backed self-styled separatist administration of the "Luhansk People's Republic" in eastern Ukraine, accused Ukrainian forces of committing crimes against civilians in regions that Moscow now says it has annexed.

Ukraine is carrying out its own investigations into alleged Russian war crimes on its territory, and accuses Moscow of deliberately targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure in air strikes. Russia denies this.

A U.N.-mandated body has chronicled war crimes it says Russian forces have committed in Ukraine, and the International Criminal Court has issued an arrest warrant for Putin for the illegal deportation of hundreds of children from Ukraine.

Russia, which does not recognise the jurisdiction of the ICC, has rejected the allegations against Putin.

Miroshnik said Russia could resist NATO as long as was needed to defeat Ukrainian forces and that the West would eventually lose interest, meaning the Kyiv leadership would collapse. Kyiv says it will continue fighting until the last Russian soldier has left its territory, and its Western allies have said they will continue to support Ukraine.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...ible-with-ukraines-current-regime-2023-11-21/
 
SlyPokerDog said:
The average fighting age of Ukrainian troops is skewed because of a platoon of 120yr old Nazis that have been secretly fighting for Obama against Russia.

If you don't count them the average age of Ukrainian soldiers is 3yrs old.

They're known as the Meth Baby Brigade!
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You can make jokes about the Nazi connection, but they are literal Nazis, and they celebrate literal Nazis. I find it ironic how little the left cares about that. Then on the other hand, they launch endless false accusations about Americans they disagree with being Nazis.....
 
oldfisherman said:
Saw a report a few days ago on the "theory" of why Avdiivka is so important to Putin. If this is false, or you have better intel, let me know.

The Avdiivka chemical and coke (type of coal, not nose candy) plant is one of the largest in that part of the world. The products it produces are neccesary for the large steel mills and manufacturing plants in Mariupol, which Russia captured about a year ago.

It appears Putin wants all of these plants for some reason. Without the Avdiivka plants, the Mariupol plants will be much more difficult to operate.
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That's possible. I have not seen anything like that mentioned. My impression is that the main steel plant in Mariupol is completely destroyed.
 
beast crnjo said:
You can make jokes about the Nazi connection, but they are literal Nazis, and they celebrate literal Nazis. I find it ironic how little the left cares about that. Then on the other hand, they launch endless false accusations about Americans they disagree with being Nazis.....
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There are literal Nazis in the US.

Yes, no one country has a monopoly on fucked up people with fucked up beliefs.

But since it's such a concern to you, you do know there are literal Nazis in Russia, right? I mean you do know this? I find it ironic how you seem so upset about Ukrainian Nazis but not Russian ones.

Putin’s fascists: the Russian state’s long history of cultivating homegrown neo-Nazis
 
Russia is in firm control of much of East Ukraine. Russia has been defending it, and Ukraine has been sustaining massive casualties in a useless effort to try and expel the Russians.

Now we see even the mainstream media, the same folks who kept priming you all to support this war, to send hundreds of billions to Ukraine, and told you Ukraine was winning, and admitting Ukraine can't push Russia out. On to the next war....

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Ukraine seems to be at Russia's mercy at this point. Russia was willing to negotiate awhile back, but now Ukraine is in a much worse position, with their military in shambles. They'll have to surrender. I assume the terms will be worse than they were before, with the cost Russia has put in.

As I, and and many others were saying months ago, supporting this war has been madness. It's only cost a lot more lives and $$ and Ukraine is going to be worse off in every way. They were simply pawns.
 
You all know Ukraine is sending women to the front line now? But oh no, they don't have a shortage of man power. "ban me" for speaking the truth....but you all have been lied to.

I tried to tell you....
 
beast crnjo said:
Ukraine seems to be at Russia's mercy at this point. Russia was willing to negotiate awhile back, but now Ukraine is in a much worse position, with their military in shambles. They'll have to surrender. I assume the terms will be worse than they were before, with the cost Russia has put in.

As I, and and many others were saying months ago, supporting this war has been madness. It's only cost a lot more lives and $$ and Ukraine is going to be worse off in every way. They were simply pawns.
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As long as Ukraine wants to defend their borders I'm happy with the US funding the effort.
 
Money can't carry a gun or launch artillery. Wishing for this to continue is really just wishing for more Ukranaians to die.

Please try and snap yourselves out of this partisan thinking. I suppose once it's all public that Ukraine has surrendered you'll get to blame republicans, and not see that the voices who were against this from the start were correct, and the voices who convinced you this was good were lying.
 
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