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The shortage of artillery shells is becoming critical. russia is able to out gun Ukraine about 10 to 1 lately although somehow Ukraine is able to inflict a terrible amount of casualties on the russians every day; lately especially on russian artillery, destroying at a record pace in the last two days. They may have become more adept at using drones for these counter battery attacks. Europe is trying to step up their own aid to take the place of nothing coming from USA. But I'm not sure if there are any shells available. Europe is increasing production as fast as they can, but's a little late. Europeans and Ukrainians are feeling angry that political games in USA mean Ukrainians are dying. The Bradly fighting vehicle has proven to be very effective but Ukraine has less than 200 while a thousand sit in storage in USA waiting to be scrapped. Very frustrating.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
I hope that the russians didn't lure the Ukrainians into shooting down a plane full of Ukrainian POWs., but I fear that's what happened. This would be a new low even for the most cynical, cruel and terroristic nation on earth. It breaks my heart.
Russia accuses Kyiv of downing IL-76 with 65 Ukrainian POWs on board, no official statement from Ukraine
https://english.nv.ua/nation/kyiv-c...ic-to-wait-for-official-comment-50386872.html
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I should say that most of the people who I respect on twitter X do not believe that there were Ukrainain POWs on that plane and this is the first evidence I have seen that they may be correct.
 
I believe that Ukraine is beginning to acknowledge the tragedy. I hope that most people in the world can see through this and understand what russia has done.
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Moscow Mitch is backing off from a bipartisan deal to toughen immigration control in exchange for aid to Ukraine. He said Trump wants to run on the border and an agreement would undermine him.
 
And Republicans would rather see a democracy die than give Biden a legislative win.
 
I think it should be noted that virtually every Ukrainian soldier out there in the trenches knows the reason they don't have enough artillery shells.
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I told you folks months ago that Ukraine was going to lose, but you didn't listen to me. You believed all the propaganda. The current Ukrainian regime will be toppled. Russia will take whatever portion of Ukraine that it wants, and the deal will be negotiated under a total surrender by Ukraine.
 
beast crnjo said:
I told you folks months ago that Ukraine was going to lose, but you didn't listen to me. You believed all the propaganda. The current Ukrainian regime will be toppled. Russia will take whatever portion of Ukraine that it wants, and the deal will be negotiated under a total surrender by Ukraine.
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It's irrelevant if we think Ukraine will win or not. They are being invaded by an aggressive empire. We should support them as much as possible for as long as possible.
 
Phatguysrule said:
It's irrelevant if we think Ukraine will win or not. They are being invaded by an aggressive empire. We should support them as much as possible for as long as possible.
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That narrative is part of the same propaganda that told you they were winning.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
They are winning. Ask any military expert.
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I am curious, where are you getting your information? Even the sources that were lying, and spewing propaganda, even know admit Ukraine is running out of ammo, soldiers, and is now simply on the defensive. Ukraine will be utterly defeated.

I am so sick of the fantasy land they have people under. This isn't personal against you, you're a victim of their propaganda. They brainwashed the public for 2 years that Ukraine was winning, just to keep the dollars flowing...
 
beast crnjo said:
I am curious, where are you getting your information? Even the sources that were lying, and spewing propaganda, even know admit Ukraine is running out of ammo, soldiers, and is now simply on the defensive. Ukraine will be utterly defeated.

I am so sick of the fantasy land they have people under. This isn't personal against you, you're a victim of their propaganda. They brainwashed the public for 2 years that Ukraine was winning, just to keep the dollars flowing...
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You make so many inflammatory statements and claims about this subject that I am assuming you are an expert. Yet you have not offered one single link or other piece of evidence to support even one of your claims. But you continue to challenge the one individual on this message board who actually has knowledge and reliable sources of what is happening over there. If you are so self assured and certain of yourself, provide us with actual facts instead of the constant verbal diarrhea about something you obviously don't know a whole helluva lot about. What are you? Putin's love child??
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
You make so many inflammatory statements and claims about this subject that I am assuming you are an expert. Yet you have not offered one single link or other piece of evidence to support even one of your claims. But you continue to challenge the one individual on this message board who actually has knowledge and reliable sources of what is happening over there. If you are so self assured and certain of yourself, provide us with actual facts instead of the constant verbal diarrhea about something you obviously don't know a whole helluva lot about. What are you? Putin's love child??
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I actually have. Info has come directly from the Ukrainians themselves, on the average age of the troops. Zelensky himself is desparately pleading for more money and more ammo.

Do you remember talk about the "reoffensive" that was supposed to take place and expel Russia from Ukraine? Take a look at the areas Russia currently controls.

You don't have to believe me. When Ukraine surrenders they won't be able to hide it anymore. And will you admit you were bamboozled, or make up excuses?
 
beast crnjo said:
I am curious, where are you getting your information? Even the sources that were lying, and spewing propaganda, even know admit Ukraine is running out of ammo, soldiers, and is now simply on the defensive. Ukraine will be utterly defeated.

I am so sick of the fantasy land they have people under. This isn't personal against you, you're a victim of their propaganda. They brainwashed the public for 2 years that Ukraine was winning, just to keep the dollars flowing...
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It’s amazing how the narrative complete does a 180 and the usual suspects jump on board with it wholeheartedly and will even try to gaslight you into thinking they were the ones correct the whole time, even though a short trip to the earlier pages of this thread tells a much different story. Its like some shit right out of 1984 the way people blindly champion any mainstream narrative, even if it’s detrimental to their own selves and country. The disinformation regarding Ukraine is of such low quality at this point that not even the “experts” the pro war liars are trying to trot out can stay on the same page anymore. It’s a money laundering shit show and now the best friends of the american boomer, Black Rock and JP Morgan, will be brought in to “rebuild” Ukraine with more stolen and unaccounted for money.
 
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UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
You make so many inflammatory statements and claims about this subject that I am assuming you are an expert. Yet you have not offered one single link or other piece of evidence to support even one of your claims. But you continue to challenge the one individual on this message board who actually has knowledge and reliable sources of what is happening over there. If you are so self assured and certain of yourself, provide us with actual facts instead of the constant verbal diarrhea about something you obviously don't know a whole helluva lot about. What are you? Putin's love child??
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Everything you accused him of with this post, you yourself accomplished in this very same post.
 
jonnyboy said:
Everything you accused him of with this post, you yourself accomplished in this very same post.
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Not really. Just saying that @UKRAINEFAN has access to better and more accurate information. You guys are the ones that are always crying about fake news but you're sure eager to believe when the narrative swings your way. I haven't made any claims about the conflict that need to be backed up. But your beast buddy makes all kinds of blanket statements with absolutely nothing to back them up. At least the "fake media" makes an effort to try and look legit when making bold statements.
 
jonnyboy said:
It’s amazing how the narrative complete does a 180 and the usual suspects jump on board with it wholeheartedly and will even try to gaslight you into thinking they were the ones correct the whole time, even though a short trip to the earlier pages of this thread tells a much different story. Its like some shit right out of 1984 the way people blindly champion any mainstream narrative, even if it’s detrimental to their own selves and country. The disinformation regarding Ukraine is of such low quality at this point that not even the “experts” the pro war liars are trying to trot out can stay on the same page anymore. It’s a money laundering shit show and now the best friends of the american boomer, Black Rock and JP Morgan, will be brought in to “rebuild” Ukraine with more stolen and unaccounted for money.
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And that's a big problem in our society. People can't even learn from their prior mistakes. It's pitiful.

Anyone can be duped by lies if they are getting bad information, but once you get lied to over and over, you should be able to say "Hey, wait a minute..." But instead they go along with a narrative shift, perhaps to absolve themselves without having to face the reality that they were duped.

Once you break free of that spell, you see the lies everywhere. This is the way societies get fractured into different realties.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Not really. Just saying that @UKRAINEFAN has access to better and more accurate information. You guys are the ones that are always crying about fake news but you're sure eager to believe when the narrative swings your way. I haven't made any claims about the conflict that need to be backed up. But your beast buddy makes all kinds of blanket statements with absolutely nothing to back them up. At least the "fake media" makes an effort to try and look legit when making bold statements.
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I don't know what to tell you buddy. You haven't been keeping up. Why are leaders of NATO nations in Europe now talking about the threat of having to take on Russia themselves, and how they are not prepared to do so, if Ukraine is winning?

Why are the Ukrainains sending women and old men the front line, and abducting people off the street at gunpoint to send into combat, where they have a very short life expetancy?

They are openly admitting that they are not taking back lost territory.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/01/26/ukraine-war-plan-biden-defense/
 
beast crnjo said:
And that's a big problem in our society. People can't even learn from their prior mistakes. It's pitiful.

Anyone can be duped by lies if they are getting bad information, but once you get lied to over and over, you should be able to say "Hey, wait a minute..." But instead they go along with a narrative shift, perhaps to absolve themselves without having to face the reality that they were duped.

Once you break free of that spell, you see the lies everywhere. This is the way societies get fractured into different realties.
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Dude, we're talking about the war in the Ukraine, NOT Trump's ignorant base. Though you did describe them (and him) to a tee. As you just said, "Anyone can be duped by lies if they are getting bad information, but once you get lied to over and over, you should be able to say "Hey, wait a minute..." But instead they go along with a narrative shift, perhaps to absolve themselves without having to face the reality that they were duped." Just because they (and you apparently) have bought into clearly false narratives doesn't mean the rest of us have.

Your side has eagerly bought into one of the most egregious, bold faced lies ever foisted upon the American people, and now you prance around as an arbiter of truth. My big mistake is responding to such a divorce from reality......
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Dude, we're talking about the war in the Ukraine, NOT Trump's ignorant base. Though you did describe them (and him) to a tee. As you just said, "Anyone can be duped by lies if they are getting bad information, but once you get lied to over and over, you should be able to say "Hey, wait a minute..." But instead they go along with a narrative shift, perhaps to absolve themselves without having to face the reality that they were duped." Just because they (and you apparently) have bought into clearly false narratives doesn't mean the rest of us have.

Your side has eagerly bought into one of the most egregious, bold faced lies ever foisted upon the American people, and now you prance around as an arbiter of truth. My big mistake is responding to such a divorce from reality......
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Why are you so deeply affected by Trump, and unable to hold a conversation without it somehow meandering back to him? Why do the people who NEVER shutup about him always point the finger at others and accuse them of it? This entire forum is a stack of Trump threads disguised as other topics, started by liberals who accuse others of being obsessed with Trump. Nobody brought him up here but you. Your only arguments this far have been “you love putin” and “you love trump”. Put the remote down dude, step away from the MSNBC. It causes brain damage.
 
jonnyboy said:
Why are you so deeply affected by Trump, and unable to hold a conversation without it somehow meandering back to him? Why do the people who NEVER shutup about him always point the finger at others and accuse them of it? This entire forum is a stack of Trump threads disguised as other topics, started by liberals who accuse others of being obsessed with Trump. Nobody brought him up here but you.
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If you can't see the irony (and outright hypocrisy) in Beast's statement (which I highlighted) then I don't know what to tell you. It's all of a piece. He accuses us of falling for "lies" while supporting one of the biggest (and most damaging) lies in American history. Let's be real, "lies" depend on which side you take. The only difference between you, me and Beast is the side we choose to take. And if you can't see the danger Trump and his minions present to America, then you deserve the America you get. I'm old enough that it won't much matter to me. But your generation and those that follow are going to be so very much more fucked than you think you are today....
 
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