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Phatguysrule said:
What diplomatic solution?
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Not continually expanding NATO on their borders after repeatedly promising not to. And btw, before everyone gets their “traitor/treason” pitchforks out, I’m not defending Putin. I’m simply recognizing that when a person that hard headed says they will attack, they will attack. Is it really worth fucking with over a NATO good ol boy card? Is it worth YOUR children’s lives? It sure as fuck isn’t worth mine.
 
jonnyboy said:
Not continually expanding NATO on their borders after repeatedly promising not to. And btw, before everyone gets their “traitor/treason” pitchforks out, I’m not defending Putin. I’m simply recognizing that when a person that hard headed says they will attack, they will attack. Is it really worth fucking with over a NATO good ol boy card? Is it worth YOUR children’s lives? It sure as fuck isn’t worth mine.
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You may not defending Putin but you seem to regurgitate his state media propaganda line with no problems. You need to reevaluate your media sources
 
donkiez said:
You realize there is a good chance Zalensky is going to die for his country right? It will be a horrible and public death and he accepts that as his potential fate.
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Yes, him and the news have been reminding us every 5 or so seconds. I’m sure it’s not publicity related though. People he reigns over have already died in this event and I don’t see the Twitter mob prematurely calling them martyrs.
 
donkiez said:
You may not defending Putin but you seem to regurgitate his state media propaganda line with no problems. You need to reevaluate your media sources
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If it’s on the TV, it’s fucking state run. You think Boeing and Raytheon sponsoring your news is a coincidence? You think our news is any better than whatever they have over there?
 
jonnyboy said:
Much of the military aid for Ukraine ended up in offshore accounts. It’s called corruption. Zelensky is corrupt, this isn’t news.
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What evidence do we have of this? Is this any different than every other country in the world?
 
illmatic99 said:
why do you bother trying to reason with Trumpers?
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This is all you guys have. You’ll sit here and stroke your dicks over war all day and think you’re somehow on the moral high ground.
 
Phatguysrule said:
What evidence do we have of this? Is this any different than every other country in the world?
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You seem to be doubting my claim while also lending it credibility by saying it’s commonplace. Not sure how you want me to answer this.
 
jonnyboy said:
Ok, I’ll bite. Zelensky is corrupt as fuck like the rest of them. I guess nobody wanted to point it out. Make no mistake here, the blood is on Putin’s hands right now, he’s on the offensive. But to sit back and pretend this isn’t an example of failed, horrendous leadership on all sides is foolish. Everyone knew Russia would attack after so many warnings, they’ve done so in the past. There was a diplomatic solution here and Zelensky chose to use his people as humans shields against a guy they 100% KNEW would attack them instead.
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Do you have a link that proves Z is corrupt or are you just taking Putler's word for it?
 
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illmatic99 said:
i mean it takes a supreme level of ignorance to spew the kinda shit you do and still shamelessly comeback for more.
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Over the last year or so Jonnyboy has criticized Ukraine and blamed them for this mess to some degree, supported Trump, shown some anti mask and anti vax sentiment, pro gun, the list goes on. You never know how people were raised or what’s going on with them, but his responses in this thread are consistent with his track record at least
 
illmatic99 said:
i mean it takes a supreme level of ignorance to spew the kinda shit you do and still shamelessly comeback for more.
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Sweet insults. They really shed a light on your foreign policy expertise.
 
calvin natt said:
Over the last year or so Jonnyboy has criticized Ukraine and blamed them for this mess to some degree, supported Trump, shown some anti mask and anti vax sentiment, pro gun, the list goes on. You never know how people were raised or what’s going on with them, but his responses in this thread are consistent with his track record at least
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And you have repeatedly frothed at the mouth at the prospect of people you disagree with dying horrible deaths. It’s become a theme with you at this point.

Yeah, you never know how people are raised.
 
jonnyboy said:
You seem to be doubting my claim while also lending it credibility by saying it’s commonplace. Not sure how you want me to answer this.
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I'm asking if whatever evidence you have is different than what happens in every country.
Like, how is Zelenzky more corrupt than other leaders?
 
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