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barfo said:
I may have gotten us slightly off-topic.

First time that's ever happened!

barfo
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According to my message board hand book, going slightly OT is perfectly acceptable...as long as it is funny as hell...and it was. :bgrin:
 
Quite impressive that Ukraine knocked out six of the scarce and expensive hypersonic Kinzal missiles. Putin was so proud when he introduced these new missiles that no one would be able to knock down.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Quite impressive that Ukraine knocked out six of the scarce and expensive hypersonic Kinzal missiles. Putin was so proud when he introduced these new missiles that no one would be able to knock down.
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To be clear, that ws 18 0ut of 18 fired.
 
The writing is on the wall, Ukraine will take back crimea and join NATO at the end of the war. NATO forces will be permanently stationed in crimea so Russia never tries again.

and to save face Putin will try and annex Belarus
 
It appears that russia's main target last night was a Pattiot air defense system and it's being reported now that the system was damaged. Ukraine really needs more than the two systems they have. They can probably repair the damaged one but that leaves them vulnerable.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
It appears that russia's main target last night was a Pattiot air defense system and it's being reported now that the system was damaged. Ukraine really needs more than the two systems they have. They can probably repair the damaged one but that leaves them vulnerable.
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Sounds like the damage was minimal and it's still operational and doesn't have to be removed for repairs. No damage to the radar.
 
Russia arrested three prominent physicists and charged them with treason. Right out of Stalinist playbook. Someone has to be a scapegoat for regime's failures because it can never be the people in power.
 
crandc said:
Russia arrested three prominent physicists and charged them with treason. Right out of Stalinist playbook. Someone has to be a scapegoat for regime's failures because it can never be the people in power.
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Hey, they built the hypersonic rockets that Ukraine is now sdhooting down with Patriot systeml therefore they must be traitors!
 
Biden has given the OK for training of Ukrainians on F-16's and will not object if allies transfer F-16's to Ukraine. Allies still to decide when and how many, definitely will not be in time for the counteroffensive but hopefully byt the time they do get them they will have driven russia out of all their territory and can use them to fend off rocket and missile attacks.
 
Russia has permanently banned a whole Trump enemies list including media, entertainment and political figures. And Special Counsel Jack Smith.
 
Former CIA director John Brennan opined that Putin is trying to hang on until November 2024 in hopes Trump gets elected. That will end US support to Ukraine.

Not that he is going to just passively wait. Expect election interference on steroids.
 
crandc said:
Former CIA director John Brennan opined that Putin is trying to hang on until November 2024 in hopes Trump gets elected. That will end US support to Ukraine.

Not that he is going to just passively wait. Expect election interference on steroids.
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On steroids and supercharged by ChatGPT...
 
MAY 24, 2023 / 05:25 AM

Mercenary Prigozhin warns Russia could face revolution unless elite gets serious about war;

https://apple.news/AGmGmK-OARDaH4sktbCuEYw


MOSCOW (Reuters) - Yevgeny Prigozhin, the founder of the Wagner mercenary group, warned that Russia could face a revolution similar to those of 1917 and lose the conflict in Ukraine unless the elite got serious about fighting the war.

Russia’s most powerful mercenary said his political outlook was dominated by love for the motherland and serving President Vladimir Putin, but cautioned that Russia was in danger of turmoil.

Prigozhin said there was a so-called optimistic view that the West would get tired of war and China would broker a peace deal, but that he did not really believe in that interpretation.

Instead, he said, Ukraine was preparing a counteroffensive aimed at pushing Russian troops back to its borders before 2014, when Russia annexed Crimea. Ukraine would try to encircle Bakhmut, the focus of intense fighting in the east, and attack Crimea, he added.

“Most likely of all, this scenario will not be good for Russia so we need to prepare for an arduous war,” he said in an interview posted on his Telegram channel.

“We are in such a condition that we could fucking lose Russia - that is the main problem ... We need to impose martial law.”

Prigozhin said his nickname “Putin’s chef” was stupid as he could not cook and had never been a chef, quipping that “Putin’s butcher” might be a more apt nickname.

“They could have just given me a nickname right away — Putin’s butcher, and everything would have been fine,” he said.

If ordinary Russians continued getting their children back in zinc coffins while the children of the elite “shook their arses” in the sun, he said, Russia would face turmoil along the lines of the 1917 revolutions that ushered in a civil war.

“This divide can end as in 1917 with a revolution,” he said.

“First the soldiers will stand up, and after that - their loved ones will rise up,” he said. “There are already tens of thousands of them - relatives of those killed. And there will probably be hundreds of thousands - we cannot avoid that.”

The defence ministry did not respond to a request for comment.

UKRAINE WAR

Prigozhin criticised Russia’s post-Soviet policy towards Ukraine and cast the implementation of what the Kremlin calls the “special military operation” as unclear, contradictory and confused.

Russia’s military leadership, he said, had “fucked up” repeatedly during the war. The stated aim of demilitarising Ukraine, he said, had failed.

Prigozhin said Soviet leader Josef Stalin would not have accepted such failure. A cross-border attack into Russia’s Belgorod region indicated the failures of the military leadership, he said, warning that Ukraine would seek to strike deeper into Russia.

Russia needed to mobilise more men and to gear the economy exclusively to war, Prigozhin said.

Wagner, he said, had recruited around 50,000 convicts during the war, of whom about 20% had perished. Around the same amount of his contract soldiers - 10,000 - had perished, he said.

In Bakhmut, Prigozhin said, Ukraine had suffered casualties of 50,000-70,000 wounded and 50,000 dead.

Reuters is unable to verify casualty claims from either side, and neither Russia nor Ukraine release figures on their own casualties. Ukraine has said Russian losses are far higher than its losses.

Prigozhin said Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu should be replaced by Colonel General Mikhail Mizintsev while Chief of the General Staff Valery Gerasimov should be replaced by Sergei Surovikin, nicknamed “General Armageddon” by the Russian media.
 
LOL Stalin would not have accepted such a defeat? The Red Army got slaughtered early on. Remember the siege of Leningrad? Later, yes, the tide turned. Don't give Stalin credit for it.
 
yankeesince59 said:
Not to mention that Stalin reportedly killed an estimated 7 million of his own people.
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Yeah, commies Stalin & Mao murdered millions to implement their own doctrines of communism. I think Mao killed 30 million plus?
 
OK. here is the info I have gathered on the incursion into russia by two groups of russian partisans, (total of 13 vehicles and I am guessing less than 100 soldiers). It was really a raid, in and out within 36 hours. I think that is all it was ever planned to be. Mostly to create some panic and force russia to permanently station troops along their entire border with Ukraine.
Appears that the partisans lost some equipment, which seems to have been provided by Ukraine (not too smart to include USA supplied equipment I think). They captured some russian equipment and brought back to Ukraine. Claim to have taken captives but I haven't seen any. They lost two dead and 12 wounded.
Reportedly, russians shelled some of the villages before Ukrainians arrived and also after they left.
Video of russian journalists being shelled when Ukrainians are long gone
 
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