Vince Carter's salary

[Cmoney707]

I read all the time about how bad Vince Carter's contract is, not only from people on here but from a lot of writers around the league, and I'm completely confused to how this is. The first question before I throw any kind of numbers out there would have to be, how good do you think Vince Carter is?
From a statistical perspective, he was one of the best in the league.
PPG: 21.6...16th in the league
APG: 5.1...20th in the league
RPG: 6.0...50th in the league

Remarkable numbers if you ask me.

And to compare those numbers to other players in the league he was one of 3 players to average 21 points, 5 assists, and 6 rebounds per game. Those other two players were Kobe Bryant and Lebron James.

Now on to his contract. This year he was being payed 13 million. That was good for 30th in the league.
Next year he is due 15.2 million. This year that would be good for 20th in the league.
The following year he is due 16.3 million. Which would be good for about 15th in the league.
Then in the 2010/2011 season he is due 17.3 million. That would be worth 12th in the league.

But remember those rankings are based off this year's salary. Player's overall salaries increase every year so those rankings in 2009, 2010, and 2011 will be a little lower than I have them at now.

So my question is, how does VC's salary not match his production. Personally, this year, he completely out performed the money he was making. Putting up 21/6/5 on any team would have to make you a top 15 player in the league, does it not? Next year if VC puts up similar numbers, I don't see how he's not living up to his contract.

 

[NJNetz]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>So my question is, how does VC's salary not match his production. Personally, this year, he completely out performed the money he was making.</div>

Have you even watched the first 60 games of the season? Are you serious?

 

[pegs]

Yeah, but ya see, I don't match contracts with those kinda stats. There's only one stat you should be worried about there: Wins.

That was (or should have been) why we signed him to that contract in the first place.

 

[Cmoney707]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Apr 14 2008, 12:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>So my question is, how does VC's salary not match his production. Personally, this year, he completely out performed the money he was making.</div>

Have you even watched the first 60 games of the season? Are you serious?
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yeah and he was still putting up 20/5/5

 

[NJNetz]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Apr 13 2008, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Apr 14 2008, 12:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>So my question is, how does VC's salary not match his production. Personally, this year, he completely out performed the money he was making.</div>

Have you even watched the first 60 games of the season? Are you serious?
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yeah and he was still putting up 20/5/5
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Inconsistently, yeah. He finally decided give an effort when we were absolutely desperate for wins.

 

[User01]

People like to hate on Vince. He's probably still gonna be paid 30th most or so through the extent of his contract, due to others getting bigger contracts, as well as some escalating. He's even been better since Kidd left, with like 23.5/7/5 off of 18 shots and only 2 TOs each game. He may not be that great on defense, but he is great at every other aspect of the game. Who else could you expect to put up those numbers on a team going through a big change, while still possibly battling an injured ankle? LeBron, and probably no one else.

But no matter what you say or what he does, people are still gonna hate on him, he's one of the players that people just love to hate.

 

[Dumpy]

the complaints about his contract seem to generally center around the argument that it is too long--by the end of the deal he will be vastly overpaid, and that the Nets should have signed him to a three-year deal at around the same first-year salary.

 

[User01]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Apr 13 2008, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, but ya see, I don't match contracts with those kinda stats. There's only one stat you should be worried about there: Wins.

That was (or should have been) why we signed him to that contract in the first place.</div>

Wins with Vince:33 Wins without him:0

you aren't trying to pin the losses on him, are you? just that he's too old for a rebuilding team?

Joker:He didn't decide to finally put an effort, he was playing through the pain all year.

 

[pegs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (User01 @ Apr 14 2008, 12:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Apr 13 2008, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, but ya see, I don't match contracts with those kinda stats. There's only one stat you should be worried about there: Wins.

That was (or should have been) why we signed him to that contract in the first place.</div>

Wins with Vince:33 Wins without him:0

you aren't trying to pin the losses on him, are you? just that he's too old for a rebuilding team?

Joker:He didn't decide to finally put an effort, he was playing through the pain all year.
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33 wins doesn't get you into the playoffs

 

[Cmoney707]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Apr 14 2008, 12:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Apr 13 2008, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Apr 14 2008, 12:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>So my question is, how does VC's salary not match his production. Personally, this year, he completely out performed the money he was making.</div>

Have you even watched the first 60 games of the season? Are you serious?
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yeah and he was still putting up 20/5/5
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Inconsistently, yeah. He finally decided give an effort when we were absolutely desperate for wins.
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I can give you that on his points. He had his on and off days with sometimes going many games without having 20 points. But VC was always there on rebounds and assists.

This is purely speculation, of course, but I think Frank wanted RJ to take over as more of the scorer and Vince kind of play off him. It should have been the other way around, because Vince is a very good ball distributer, RJ not so much. But what I think is that Frank gave up on this idea and many more iso's called for Vince, late in the season.

 

[NJNetz]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I can give you that on his points. He had his on and off days with sometimes going many games without having 20 points. But VC was always there on rebounds and assists.</div>

Rebounds and assists? We had Kidd at the time. The Nets needed scoring from Vince, and he didn't deliver.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Joker:He didn't decide to finally put an effort, he was playing through the pain all year.</div>

But now all of a sudden he's pain-free putting up monster numbers. Hm...

 

[Cmoney707]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Apr 14 2008, 12:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I can give you that on his points. He had his on and off days with sometimes going many games without having 20 points. But VC was always there on rebounds and assists.</div>

Rebounds and assists? We had Kidd at the time. The Nets needed scoring from Vince, and he didn't deliver.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Joker:He didn't decide to finally put an effort, he was playing through the pain all year.</div>

But now all of a sudden he's pain-free putting up monster numbers. Hm...
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So assists don't lead to points?

Ever since Kidd left he's been putting up huge numbers, like User said. Coincidence?

 

[cpawfan]

Zach Randolph put up some damn pretty stats when he was with the Blazers last season.

Pretty Stats <> Wins

 

[NJNetz]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Apr 13 2008, 11:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Apr 14 2008, 12:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I can give you that on his points. He had his on and off days with sometimes going many games without having 20 points. But VC was always there on rebounds and assists.</div>

Rebounds and assists? We had Kidd at the time. The Nets needed scoring from Vince, and he didn't deliver.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Joker:He didn't decide to finally put an effort, he was playing through the pain all year.</div>

But now all of a sudden he's pain-free putting up monster numbers. Hm...
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So assists don't lead to points?

Ever since Kidd left he's been putting up huge numbers, like User said. Coincidence?
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Okay, let me repeat myself. We needed Vince to score. He didn't. End of story.

No, Vince just decided that it's time to actually give a shit about giving the best effort possible.

 

[pegs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Apr 14 2008, 12:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Apr 14 2008, 12:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I can give you that on his points. He had his on and off days with sometimes going many games without having 20 points. But VC was always there on rebounds and assists.</div>

Rebounds and assists? We had Kidd at the time. The Nets needed scoring from Vince, and he didn't deliver.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Joker:He didn't decide to finally put an effort, he was playing through the pain all year.</div>

But now all of a sudden he's pain-free putting up monster numbers. Hm...
</div>

So assists don't lead to points?

Ever since Kidd left he's been putting up huge numbers, like User said. Coincidence?
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10-17 since Kidd left.

 

[Cmoney707]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Apr 14 2008, 12:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Apr 13 2008, 11:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Apr 14 2008, 12:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I can give you that on his points. He had his on and off days with sometimes going many games without having 20 points. But VC was always there on rebounds and assists.</div>

Rebounds and assists? We had Kidd at the time. The Nets needed scoring from Vince, and he didn't deliver.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Joker:He didn't decide to finally put an effort, he was playing through the pain all year.</div>

But now all of a sudden he's pain-free putting up monster numbers. Hm...
</div>

So assists don't lead to points?

Ever since Kidd left he's been putting up huge numbers, like User said. Coincidence?
</div>

Okay, let me repeat myself. We needed Vince to score. He didn't. End of story.

No, Vince just decided that it's time to actually give a shit about giving the best effort possible.
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oh so you know Vince Carter personally then?

 

[NJNetz]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Apr 13 2008, 11:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Apr 14 2008, 12:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Apr 13 2008, 11:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Apr 14 2008, 12:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I can give you that on his points. He had his on and off days with sometimes going many games without having 20 points. But VC was always there on rebounds and assists.</div>

Rebounds and assists? We had Kidd at the time. The Nets needed scoring from Vince, and he didn't deliver.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Joker:He didn't decide to finally put an effort, he was playing through the pain all year.</div>

But now all of a sudden he's pain-free putting up monster numbers. Hm...
</div>

So assists don't lead to points?

Ever since Kidd left he's been putting up huge numbers, like User said. Coincidence?
</div>

Okay, let me repeat myself. We needed Vince to score. He didn't. End of story.

No, Vince just decided that it's time to actually give a shit about giving the best effort possible.
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oh so you know Vince Carter personally then?
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Stop trying to belittle me.


There is a signifacent difference in the way Carter played the first 60 games, and the last 20 games. Don't be so bias.

 

[Cmoney707]

Kidd made it known to the whole team he wanted out before the season started. RJ came out with a comment after the trade about how everyone on the team knew he wanted out, but the media didn't know about it because the Nets like to keep stuff in house. DD wrote the article, I'll find it if you need me to. But maybe Vince took it personal, and thought that if the leader on the team wanted out then what is the point of trying?

Then after Kidd gets traded, he goes on a tear. Doesn't seem like a coincidence to me, sounds quite logical.

 

[NJNetz]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Kidd made it known to the whole team he wanted out before the season started. RJ came out with a comment after the trade about how everyone on the team knew he wanted out, but the media didn't know about it because the Nets like to keep stuff in house. DD wrote the article, I'll find it if you need me to.</div>

Show me the article.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>But maybe Vince took it personal, and thought that if the leader on the team wanted out then what is the point of trying?</div>

But maybe he's being paid millions of dollars to play the game of basketball.

 

[Cmoney707]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Apr 14 2008, 12:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Kidd made it known to the whole team he wanted out before the season started. RJ came out with a comment after the trade about how everyone on the team knew he wanted out, but the media didn't know about it because the Nets like to keep stuff in house. DD wrote the article, I'll find it if you need me to.</div>

Show me the article.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>But maybe Vince took it personal, and thought that if the leader on the team wanted out then what is the point of trying?</div>

But maybe he's being paid millions of dollars to play the game of basketball.
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Yeah, I understand, but it kind of takes the wind out of your sails when the leader of your team says stuff like that.

I'll get the article for you give me a minute though.

 

[Cmoney707]

"Jefferson didn't criticize Kidd for the way he handled his trade request, and he didn't question that Kidd played as hard as he could for the Nets. But he said that it was obvious to everyone on the team -- even before the regular season started -- that Kidd didn't want to be there, which had unavoidable negative consequences.

While many people didn't know for sure about Kidd's dissatisfaction until late January when he made his desire to be traded public, Jefferson said the team knew as early as training camp.

"People made it seem like that situation came up only when he went public," Jefferson said. "No, that situation had been going on pretty much all season, but it was behind closed doors. We do a very good job of keeping our laundry in house, our dirty laundry. So when it did come out, it was such big news because that's not the way we normally go about things."


http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2008/03/r...idd_gloves.html

 

[NJNetz]

So this is Vince's excuse? He signs a large contract with the Nets, and because Kidd has some dissatisfaction, it's ok not to care. Great, awesome.

But wait, Carter just signed a contract with the Nets. Why would Kidd be unhappy with this? Playing with such a superstar.


Recent reports say that Kidd and Carter had multiple clashes, because Kidd thought Carter wasn't playing at his full potential. Out of all the people that can complain about Carter, it's Kidd. Maybe he was mad at Vince's disappearing act in the playoffs. Clearly, Kidd was tired of Vince. And I wonder why.

 

[logik15]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Apr 13 2008, 11:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Apr 14 2008, 12:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Apr 14 2008, 12:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I can give you that on his points. He had his on and off days with sometimes going many games without having 20 points. But VC was always there on rebounds and assists.</div>

Rebounds and assists? We had Kidd at the time. The Nets needed scoring from Vince, and he didn't deliver.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Joker:He didn't decide to finally put an effort, he was playing through the pain all year.</div>

But now all of a sudden he's pain-free putting up monster numbers. Hm...
</div>

So assists don't lead to points?

Ever since Kidd left he's been putting up huge numbers, like User said. Coincidence?
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10-17 since Kidd left.
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I agree with Cmoney. JKidd was the leader so we looked to him to be vocal and set an example for the team. You guys keep saying vince couldn't score and everything and our win situation... but there are teams with someone with a max contract that has a crappy record. Look at Joe johnson last year, paul pierce last year, gasol last year. These were all teams that just didn't have the right pieces surrounded with them. And im sure we all agree that our team does NOT have the right mix of guys. Sure, vince was surrounded by Kidd and RJ, but teams that lack a dominant big which we never had just don't succeed, which is why I point my finger at thorn the past 3 years. You guys are making it seem like it is all vince's fault because he couldn't take over or score, but this is a team game. If you can average 21/6/5 even throughout the year that is still an amazing statline. And is it only vince who was inconsistant? Our WHOLE team was inconsistant. You can say RJ was very inconsitant some nights driving and getting to the line, while others he was absent. Boone, boki, krstic, swill were all inconsistant even more so than vince. So imo vince is actually more consistant than some of our other players. The fact that we had 0 wins without vince says enough. We are 10-17 without jkidd because it does take the team to transition with new players... especially when our team's look completely changed being the NBA's team with the most change in the roster. Now that Jkidd is gone i assume Carter realizes that he is NOW the captian of the team and has assumed the responsibilities. Even harris is now pretty inconsistant. I don't get how someone can call vince out being inconsistant especially when you guys have watched our team play all year. the most consistant guys were probably magloire / ager, sitting on the bench every night.

 

[Cmoney707]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Apr 14 2008, 01:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So this is Vince's excuse? He signs a large contract with the Nets, and because Kidd has some dissatisfaction, it's ok not to care. Great, awesome.

But wait, Carter just signed a contract with the Nets. Why would Kidd be unhappy with this? Playing with such a superstar.


Recent reports say that Kidd and Carter had multiple clashes, because Kidd thought Carter wasn't playing at his full potential. Out of all the people that can complain about Carter, it's Kidd. Maybe he was mad at Vince's disappearing act in the playoffs. Clearly, Kidd was tired of Vince. And I wonder why.</div>

Could I get a source? I never heard anything like.

Lets be honest here, Kidd is what 36? He wanted a championship and he knew that he had to win one either this year or next, or that might be it for him. He didn't see this team going anywhere before the season and decided to let everybody know about it. I'm not sure how he could think this is a good idea, but he did it nonetheless.

Let me ask you a question. Have you ever played on a sports team? Because I know that if I was on a team and the "leader" of my team decided to make it known to all the players that this team wasn't good enough and that he wanted out, why in hell would I give my 100% for him.

This team was the same team from last year that got the 6th seed in the playoffs. And this year we can't even compete with anyone. Is it a coincidence that it happened this year when Kidd made those comments?

Carter's numbers dip about 5 points per game before the Kidd trade, then right after he gets traded they go up to about 27 per game. Is that a coincidence? I don't think it had anything to do with Vince Carter just deciding to wake up one day because he saw the Nets were down in the standings. I think it was someone else who gave up on the season before it even started and that cancer got traded away.

Kidd was the one who wrote the season off, I wouldn't of gave it my all in a doomed season either, according to my "leader" that is.

 

[logik15]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Apr 14 2008, 12:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So this is Vince's excuse? He signs a large contract with the Nets, and because Kidd has some dissatisfaction, it's ok not to care. Great, awesome.

But wait, Carter just signed a contract with the Nets. Why would Kidd be unhappy with this? Playing with such a superstar.


Recent reports say that Kidd and Carter had multiple clashes, because Kidd thought Carter wasn't playing at his full potential. Out of all the people that can complain about Carter, it's Kidd. Maybe he was mad at Vince's disappearing act in the playoffs. Clearly, Kidd was tired of Vince. And I wonder why.</div>

What makes u think Kidd was disgruntled just at carter. I think he was flat out disgruntled at the whole team not playing to their full potential. We have a lot of soft bigs, and RJ who just as vince is inconsistant and Kidd was getting on RJ too. RJ averaged 7 rebounds 2 years prior and now he's averaging 4 and i read stories about Kidd was just as well on his case. It was just everything about the team that was bothering him imo, and he so called asked thorn for an extension that thorn wouldn't give. Kidd just wanted to be moved to a winning atmosphere. I agree vince dissapears sometimes, but you can say that about our whole team so why place all the blame directly on him.

 

[Cmoney707]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (logik15 @ Apr 14 2008, 01:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Apr 14 2008, 12:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So this is Vince's excuse? He signs a large contract with the Nets, and because Kidd has some dissatisfaction, it's ok not to care. Great, awesome.

But wait, Carter just signed a contract with the Nets. Why would Kidd be unhappy with this? Playing with such a superstar.


Recent reports say that Kidd and Carter had multiple clashes, because Kidd thought Carter wasn't playing at his full potential. Out of all the people that can complain about Carter, it's Kidd. Maybe he was mad at Vince's disappearing act in the playoffs. Clearly, Kidd was tired of Vince. And I wonder why.</div>

What makes u think Kidd was disgruntled just at carter. I think he was flat out disgruntled at the whole team not playing to their full potential. We have a lot of soft bigs, and RJ who just as vince is inconsistant and Kidd was getting on RJ too. RJ averaged 7 rebounds 2 years prior and now he's averaging 4 and i read stories about Kidd was just as well on his case. It was just everything about the team that was bothering him imo, and he so called asked thorn for an extension that thorn wouldn't give. Kidd just wanted to be moved to a winning atmosphere. I agree vince dissapears sometimes, but you can say that about our whole team so why place all the blame directly on him.
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because it will probably come back to the money he is making.

the arguement is: why pay someone 13 million to put up 21/6/5

but were paying stromile swift 6 million (our 3rd largest contract) to put up 6/3. Given, that used to be Jason Collins as our 3rd largest contract, which makes it worse that he was averaging 2/1.

 

[Cmoney707]

And joker here's a good example for you:

a player is getting paid 19 million this year, 21 million next year, and 23 the year after.

This year he put up numbers of 22 points, 5 rebounds, and 5 assists per game.

The team's star player went down for the year and they became a better team without this player putting up better numbers.

The whole Houston Rockets TEAM stepped up, not just Tracy McGrady. He's getting paid significantly more than VC without putting up better numbers. And everyone is going to say well that's not true because he carries his team emotionally. Well no, the whole Rockets team stepped up. Players like Alston, Scola, and Landry. No one quit on the team or threw in the towel or waved the white flag or asked to be traded.

 

[ghoti]

I don't know why it is assumed that people who don't like Carter's contract think Kidd was some kind of great leader.

When I called out Kidd over the summer for playing on the stupid Pan American Games team, everyone on here jumped on me like I was insulting their God.

He was a selfish prick that could care less about the Nets or their fans.

And I think Carter's contract is terrible because it killed any small amount of trade value he had and there were no other teams interested in signing him.

I bet Kiki curses under his breath at Thorn every day for signing Carter to that albatross of a deal. All it does is make his job harder.

 

[logik15]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Apr 14 2008, 12:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (logik15 @ Apr 14 2008, 01:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Apr 14 2008, 12:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So this is Vince's excuse? He signs a large contract with the Nets, and because Kidd has some dissatisfaction, it's ok not to care. Great, awesome.

But wait, Carter just signed a contract with the Nets. Why would Kidd be unhappy with this? Playing with such a superstar.


Recent reports say that Kidd and Carter had multiple clashes, because Kidd thought Carter wasn't playing at his full potential. Out of all the people that can complain about Carter, it's Kidd. Maybe he was mad at Vince's disappearing act in the playoffs. Clearly, Kidd was tired of Vince. And I wonder why.</div>

What makes u think Kidd was disgruntled just at carter. I think he was flat out disgruntled at the whole team not playing to their full potential. We have a lot of soft bigs, and RJ who just as vince is inconsistant and Kidd was getting on RJ too. RJ averaged 7 rebounds 2 years prior and now he's averaging 4 and i read stories about Kidd was just as well on his case. It was just everything about the team that was bothering him imo, and he so called asked thorn for an extension that thorn wouldn't give. Kidd just wanted to be moved to a winning atmosphere. I agree vince dissapears sometimes, but you can say that about our whole team so why place all the blame directly on him.
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because it will probably come back to the money he is making.

the arguement is: why pay someone 13 million to put up 21/6/5

but were paying stromile swift 6 million (our 3rd largest contract) to put up 6/3. Given, that used to be Jason Collins as our 3rd largest contract, which makes it worse that he was averaging 2/1.
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I don't get why we wouldn't pay someone 13 mill to average 21/6/5. Sure his salary is going to increase, but if he can average those numbers just short of kobe and lebron i say give it to him. Look at other people's contracts in the league... shaq 20mil, jermaine oneal 19 mil, marbury 19 mil, ben wallace 15.5 mil, sam cassell 15.3 mil, zach randolph 13.3 mil, joe johnson 13.4 mil, mike bibby 13.5 mil, larry hughes 12 mil, raef lafrenz 12 mil, kirk hinrich 11 mil, jrich 11 mil, peja 11 mil. Do you think all these people are worth what they are being paid? Sure he just got signed to a new deal... but averaging 20/5/5 is still not easy to do. Name someone that averages those numbers that makes less than that.

 

[Cmoney707]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (logik15 @ Apr 14 2008, 02:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Apr 14 2008, 12:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (logik15 @ Apr 14 2008, 01:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Apr 14 2008, 12:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So this is Vince's excuse? He signs a large contract with the Nets, and because Kidd has some dissatisfaction, it's ok not to care. Great, awesome.

But wait, Carter just signed a contract with the Nets. Why would Kidd be unhappy with this? Playing with such a superstar.


Recent reports say that Kidd and Carter had multiple clashes, because Kidd thought Carter wasn't playing at his full potential. Out of all the people that can complain about Carter, it's Kidd. Maybe he was mad at Vince's disappearing act in the playoffs. Clearly, Kidd was tired of Vince. And I wonder why.</div>

What makes u think Kidd was disgruntled just at carter. I think he was flat out disgruntled at the whole team not playing to their full potential. We have a lot of soft bigs, and RJ who just as vince is inconsistant and Kidd was getting on RJ too. RJ averaged 7 rebounds 2 years prior and now he's averaging 4 and i read stories about Kidd was just as well on his case. It was just everything about the team that was bothering him imo, and he so called asked thorn for an extension that thorn wouldn't give. Kidd just wanted to be moved to a winning atmosphere. I agree vince dissapears sometimes, but you can say that about our whole team so why place all the blame directly on him.
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because it will probably come back to the money he is making.

the arguement is: why pay someone 13 million to put up 21/6/5

but were paying stromile swift 6 million (our 3rd largest contract) to put up 6/3. Given, that used to be Jason Collins as our 3rd largest contract, which makes it worse that he was averaging 2/1.
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I don't get why we wouldn't pay someone 13 mill to average 21/6/5. Sure his salary is going to increase, but if he can average those numbers just short of kobe and lebron i say give it to him. Look at other people's contracts in the league... shaq 20mil, jermaine oneal 19 mil, marbury 19 mil, ben wallace 15.5 mil, sam cassell 15.3 mil, zach randolph 13.3 mil, joe johnson 13.4 mil, mike bibby 13.5 mil, larry hughes 12 mil, raef lafrenz 12 mil, kirk hinrich 11 mil, jrich 11 mil, peja 11 mil. Do you think all these people are worth what they are being paid? Sure he just got signed to a new deal... but averaging 20/5/5 is still not easy to do. Name someone that averages those numbers that makes less than that.
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exactly and I'd be willing to bet he puts up something like 25/6/5 next year based on the way he's played since the trade. I mean the guy is still currently a top 15 scorer in the league in the worst season he's had in years.