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hoopsjock said:
I know we're in the tax, but it's kind of frustrating we didn't use our open roster spot to recoup a 2nd round pick from the Hood trade. The Raptors gave the Nets a 2021 2nd rounder to take Greg Monroe off their hands. I'm not saying I'd choose Monroe over some of those other buyout guys (that we probably wouldn't get anyway), however there seemed to be some value in 2nd round picks this year and it would be nice to not be completely depleted of them in the future. Besides we could've just waived Monroe like the Nets did if there was someone else better to get.
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Can always buy into the second round
 
hoopsjock said:
I know we're in the tax, but it's kind of frustrating we didn't use our open roster spot to recoup a 2nd round pick from the Hood trade. The Raptors gave the Nets a 2021 2nd rounder to take Greg Monroe off their hands. I'm not saying I'd choose Monroe over some of those other buyout guys (that we probably wouldn't get anyway), however there seemed to be some value in 2nd round picks this year and it would be nice to not be completely depleted of them in the future. Besides we could've just waived Monroe like the Nets did if there was someone else better to get.
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I think they might use the open spot for 10 day contracts to kick tires on players and I believe they have to be signed before sometime in March to be playoff eligible....more likely we pick up a big rental
 
hoopsjock said:
I know we're in the tax, but it's kind of frustrating we didn't use our open roster spot to recoup a 2nd round pick from the Hood trade. The Raptors gave the Nets a 2021 2nd rounder to take Greg Monroe off their hands. I'm not saying I'd choose Monroe over some of those other buyout guys (that we probably wouldn't get anyway), however there seemed to be some value in 2nd round picks this year and it would be nice to not be completely depleted of them in the future. Besides we could've just waived Monroe like the Nets did if there was someone else better to get.
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maybe my math is off, but as I understand it, doing that deal would have added Monroe's contract to the roster; it's a vet minimum I believe. About a 1/3rd of the season is left so 500K of salary and around 3M in additional tax. In other words, Portland would have been paying 3.5M for a future 2nd round pick...that seems pretty excessive
 
wizenheimer said:
maybe my math is off, but as I understand it, doing that deal would have added Monroe's contract to the roster; it's a vet minimum I believe. About a 1/3rd of the season is left so 500K of salary and around 3M in additional tax. In other words, Portland would have been paying 3.5M for a future 2nd round pick...that seems pretty excessive
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Think of it this way. Trading a 2nd for an upgrade big who can help us down the stretch and in the playoffs
 
Chris Craig said:
Can always buy into the second round
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Not as easy as you think. People say that the 2 #2s Olshey traded for Hood are easily re-bought...it's far from automatic that Olshey can convince a seller at the exact draft spot he wants.

Also, there goes the cash he could have used to grease trades. But then, Olshey lacks the talent to make real (good player for good player) trades, so I guess that doesn't matter.
 
Philly got a pick that they traded away sometime ago back at the deadline...sometimes you can reacquire the damned things I guess
 
jlprk said:
Not as easy as you think. People say that the 2 #2s Olshey traded for Hood are easily re-bought...it's far from automatic that Olshey can convince a seller at the exact draft spot he wants.

Also, there goes the cash he could have used to grease trades. But then, Olshey lacks the talent to make real (good player for good player) trades, so I guess that doesn't matter.
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Olshey got Layman by buying into the 2nd rnd. Trent Jr last draft. It's kind of his go to
 
wizenheimer said:
maybe my math is off, but as I understand it, doing that deal would have added Monroe's contract to the roster; it's a vet minimum I believe. About a 1/3rd of the season is left so 500K of salary and around 3M in additional tax. In other words, Portland would have been paying 3.5M for a future 2nd round pick...that seems pretty excessive
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$3.5 million is how much GS paid for the rights to Jordan Bell in the 2017 draft. Last year both the Blazers and Pistons gave up two future 2nds for just one 2nd.

$3.5 million seems about right.
 
The other factor is now there are Two-way contracts teams have extra roster spots to develop 2nd rounders.
 
Chris Craig said:
We did? Shit
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I can see his Olshey's logic in this. People always overvalue picks of any kind. It's an easy way to get something of immediate value. People always trade something right in front of their face for a shot at the "mystery box."
 
Chris Craig said:
Olshey got Layman by buying into the 2nd rnd. Trent Jr last draft. It's kind of his go to
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He also paid a #2 in the Layman transaction, not just cash alone. He didn't replace the 2 #2s he paid for Crabbe, the one for Thomas Robinson, the one for Robin Lopez, the one for Anderson Varejao, the two for Gary Trent, and the two for Hood.

I don't want to argue each of those trades. I want to argue that it's not an easy yawner to buy 2nd-round picks...at exactly the spot where the player he wants is available.
 
hoopsjock said:
$3.5 million is how much GS paid for the rights to Jordan Bell in the 2017 draft. Last year both the Blazers and Pistons gave up two future 2nds for just one 2nd.

$3.5 million seems about right.
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yeah, but that was in a current draft for a specific player they wanted, with ownership definite and in place. And many around the league seemed surprised at the price Warriors paid, IIRC

paying 3.5M for Monroe just to waive and get a 2nd seems like pretty expensive speculation. Now, maybe not so expensive if JA is willing to sign off on adding a player clearing waivers and the tax it would cost, but we don't know yet if she's willing to do that
 
jlprk said:
I don't want to argue each of those trades. I want to argue that it's not an easy yawner to buy 2nd-round picks...at exactly the spot where the player he wants is available.
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Even if he had kept all those picks, the likelihood that those picks were exactly in the right spot is minimal too.

I'm not seeing a difference...
 
Working thru the numbers on Shamsports, our tax bill if we sign a pro-rated minimum contract would jump from 12.9 mil to 13.9 mil.

Not too bad.
 
jlprk said:
Not as easy as you think. People say that the 2 #2s Olshey traded for Hood are easily re-bought...it's far from automatic that Olshey can convince a seller at the exact draft spot he wants.

Also, there goes the cash he could have used to grease trades. But then, Olshey lacks the talent to make real (good player for good player) trades, so I guess that doesn't matter.
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Now that the popular opinion seems to have shifted firmly to the "Olshey Sucks" end of the GM meter, I'm wondering what you're going to do. Being conventional and sticking with the popular opinion seems so anti-jlprk.
 
jlprk said:
He also paid a #2 in the Layman transaction, not just cash alone. He didn't replace the 2 #2s he paid for Crabbe, the one for Thomas Robinson, the one for Robin Lopez, the one for Anderson Varejao, the two for Gary Trent, and the two for Hood.

I don't want to argue each of those trades. I want to argue that it's not an easy yawner to buy 2nd-round picks...at exactly the spot where the player he wants is available.
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And not having those picks changed things how? Majority of 2nd round picks never make it in the NBA.
 
JLin to Toronto.

That's a strong team up there. Peak of Linsanity happened in Toronto.

 
Good move for the Raptors. They only had 10 players on their roster. Still room for more additions.
 
TBpup said:
Good move for the Raptors. They only had 10 players on their roster. Still room for more additions.
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They got 4 waiver additions:

Ben Mclemore -- 10 day
Lin
Someone named Malcolm Miller and Chris Boucher converted from 2-ways to full time multi year deals.

And they still have a roster spot open. Masai is killing it.
 
TBpup said:
I'm guessing that includes the two 2-way players?
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They converted Boucher to a multi year deal, and Miller for the rest of the season. They also signed Ben McLemore to a 10 day.
 
If I’m Olshey I’m holding out and seeing what happens with Pau Gasol. Perfect backup, locker room guy. Zach should be in his pocket if he were signed.

Stotts hasn’t settled on a backup for Nurk (he keeps alternating Meyers and Zach) so I definitely think we are/should be in the market for a more dependable big.
 
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