Washington Wizards center Jason Collins reveals he is gay

[Shooter]

Nobody cares about your opinion Chris. You're a talking head. You're a mouthpiece. You're not even a player or front office guy.

So everybody in the known universe--including Ellen DeGeneres, Kobe Bryant, Steve Nash, President Obama, and the New York Times--has a right to weigh in on this and sing Collins' praises, but Chris Broussard has no right to offer a different opinion. Is that what you're saying?

 

[jlprk]

Find the old Jason script and you'll have lots of juicy quotes to use against Bible quotes.

Edit: Solid gold!

http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/j/jason-and-the-argonauts-script.html

 

[BBert]

Matthew 19:4-6

4 And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made[a] them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?[c] 6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”

So where is the part about homosexuality?

 

[Further]

So everybody in the known universe--including Ellen DeGeneres, Kobe Bryant, Steve Nash, President Obama, and the New York Times--has a right to weigh in on this and sing Collins' praises, but Chris Broussard has no right to offer a different opinion. Is that what you're saying?

He has every right, but his employer may fire him.

 

[Shooter]

Jesus broke all the old testament rules so that we dont have to follow them...

Huh? Are you serious? Jesus worshipped in the temple every Sabbath, as all Jews did, in accordance with the old testament law. He also honored his mother and father, and kept all of the 10 Commandments, which of course come from the Old Testament. Not sure which Bible you've been reading.

 

[Shooter]

He has every right, but his employer may fire him.

Of course, but that's not what the original poster said. He said Broussard was just a paid mouthpiece and shouldn't be offering his opinion on this subject.

 

[BBert]

Leviticus 18:22
"Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin."

Leviticus 20:13
"If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense."

1 Timothy 1:8-10
Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people-none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God. Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

So that explains why it's OK for chicks but not for dudes...nice.

 

[BBert]

You mean in the same kind of vehement, public manner that many people in the media enthusiastically support homosexuality?

Honestly? The media are enthusiastically forcing people to commit homosexual acts and are vehemently denouncing those who do not? I hadn't noticed that.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Honestly? The media are enthusiastically forcing people to commit homosexual acts and are vehemently denouncing those who do not? I hadn't noticed that.

It's all MSNBC shows.

 

[jlprk]

The word homosexual is in the Bible? Not the King James version or the Revised Standard Version, the ones I carried to Sunday School. Nowadays, there are many politicized translations, which translate the word where it did not appear before.

 

[porkchopexpress]

Of course, but that's not what the original poster said. He said Broussard was just a paid mouthpiece and shouldn't be offering his opinion on this subject.

His opinion of how it'll be perceived. How some, would have a problem with it. Not how he personally feels an entire segment of their viewership is immoral or whatever his particular words were. They have every right to discipline them as they see fit. And before you come back with "saying you support gay rights could be offensive to another segment" (which you are essentially saying in your earlier post), in one instance you are specifically calling out a group. In the 2nd situation, you are just disagreeing with a particular belief of another group.

 

[Further]

Of course, but that's not what the original poster said. He said Broussard was just a paid mouthpiece and shouldn't be offering his opinion on this subject.

From ESPS's perspective, CB is expected to take the company line on certain issues. It's a much smaller issue, but Bill Simmons just got in trouble and was not allowed to us his twitter account because he insulted an ESPN show.

CB has the right to say what he wants, which extends to the law. But, he does not have the "right" to not be punished for those same statements by ESPN. two different uses of the term right, de jure and de facto.

 

[porkchopexpress]

Honestly? The media are enthusiastically forcing people to commit homosexual acts and are vehemently denouncing those who do not? I hadn't noticed that.

Obviously you didn't see that George Takai video.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

If homosexuality were so bad wouldn't it have been one of the 10 Commandments?

The 11th Commandment?

 

[Shooter]

When you sign on to be a representative for a major corporation like ESPN/Disney, you agree to follow their doctrine. He is being paid a hefty sum of money to give his opinion on basketball. This opinion had nothing to do with basketball, and he's free to share that opinion but I think it will cost him his job.

When a player signs on to be a representative for a major corporation like the NBA, he is being paid a heft sum of money to play basketball, not to give his opinion on homosexuality. So why is it okay for all these NBA players to be publicly voicing their approval of someone who is "coming out"?

 

[Run BJM]

Wonder what Vegas odds are for the next to come out are. Steve Francis and Cuttino Mobley in tandem has to be up there since they're no longer risking their careers. Baron Davis could be soon since he hates being out of the spotlight, but something tells me he'd only admit to being bi. Richard Jefferson has to be the favorite among active players- Bosh just has too much to lose.

 

[BBert]

It's been explained about a hundred times on this thread but apparently some people's doctrine causes reading impairment. Broussard wasn't simply expressing his personal religious views. He was working for ESPN, being paid to talk about sports, not religion, at the time he chose to give a speech about his religious beliefs. By default, as he was representing ESPN at the time, his statements are the statements of ESPN. His religious opinions are the opinions of ESPN. Like someone else posted, ESPN is not CESPN. If his employers decide that he misrepresented the views of ESPN on the matter --and maybe he didn't -- or that he harmed their brand, they have every right to fire him. Those who insist this is bullying or unfair are just not thinking clearly, IMO.

 

[BBert]

If homosexuality were so bad wouldn't it have been one of the 10 Commandments?

The 11th Commandment?

I live my life entirely based on top 10 lists. If it ain't in the top 10, it just doesn't matter.

 

[Shooter]

Honestly? The media are enthusiastically forcing people to commit homosexual acts and are vehemently denouncing those who do not? I hadn't noticed that.

The media is enthusiastically supporting people who engage in homosexuality. Broussard, on the other hand, is simply taking up the other side of the issue. But Broussard is getting all the heat.

 

[Further]

When a player signs on to be a representative for a major corporation like the NBA, he is being paid a heft sum of money to play basketball, not to give his opinion on homosexuality. So why is it okay for all these NBA players to be publicly voicing their approval of someone who is "coming out"?

Because the company is ok with it.

 

[jlprk]

Wonder what Vegas odds are for the next to come out are. Steve Francis and Cuttino Mobley in tandem has to be up there since they're no longer risking their careers. Baron Davis could be soon since he hates being out of the spotlight, but something tells me he'd only admit to being bi. Richard Jefferson has to be the favorite among active players- Bosh just has too much to lose.

LaMarcus might lose his fierce, ambitious, total devotion to conquering the other team...oh, yeah, forgot.

 

[BBert]

LaMarcus might lose his fierce, ambitious, total devotion to conquering the other team...oh, yeah, forgot.

Are you suggesting he's not a 'top'? How dare you sir!

 

[BBert]

LaMarcus might lose his fierce, ambitious, total devotion to conquering the other team...oh, yeah, forgot.

Maybe he should watch Jason and the Argonauts.

 

[porkchopexpress]

When a player signs on to be a representative for a major corporation like the NBA, he is being paid a heft sum of money to play basketball, not to give his opinion on homosexuality. So why is it okay for all these NBA players to be publicly voicing their approval of someone who is "coming out"?

His opinion on homosexuality? Do you think that is what happened today? This man is 34 years old. It took him 33 years to tell his TWIN BROTHER that he was gay. He isn't proclaiming anything. He is just allowing the world to see him as he sees himself. All of the support isn't some, "score one for the gay team". Its supporting the player for having the courage to live his life without having to lie to everyone, including his closest friends and family. Having that much strength isn't easy.

 

[Shooter]

If homosexuality were so bad wouldn't it have been one of the 10 Commandments?

Lots of things aren't mentioned in the 10 Commandments. There's no mention of bribery, or alcoholism, or rape, or child abuse, or incest, etc., etc. Does that mean all of those things are acceptable?

 

[porkchopexpress]

The media is enthusiastically supporting people who engage in homosexuality. Broussard, on the other hand, is simply taking up the other side of the issue. But Broussard is getting all the heat.

Acceptance vs Exclusion/Intolerance. It isn't that hard to see the difference.

 

[Shooter]

This man is 34 years old. It took him 33 years to tell his TWIN BROTHER that he was gay. He isn't proclaiming anything.

Really? Better tell that to Sports Illustrated. They ran a cover story on Collins on the impression that he was "proclaiming" something rather significant.

 

[jlprk]

His opinion on homosexuality? Do you think that is what happened today? This man is 34 years old. It took him 33 years to tell his TWIN BROTHER that he was gay.

That is one dumb twin. No wonder he only lasted 10 years, never saw his man, no court awareness. The NBA is a place for brains. When I was 1 I was looking for a wife.

 

[Shooter]

Acceptance vs Exclusion/Intolerance. It isn't that hard to see the difference.

Well, there's the rub. The media believes that accepting and even celebrating homosexuality is the proper thing to do, while Broussard believes it is not. Yet Broussard will probably lose his job for stating his beliefs.

 

[Shooter]

Because the company is ok with it.

Exactly. If your opinion jives with the PC opinion, you're good. If it doesn't, you're a goner.