We got the #3 pick. Discuss the possibilities.

[Natebishop3]

https://wizofawes.com/2023/06/13/washington-wizards-middleman-pelicans-trailblazers-trade/

The Wizards could be the middleman in a Pelicans/Trailblazers trade

WIZARDS GET
ANFERNEE SIMONS

PELICANS GET
NO. 3 PICK

TRAIL BLAZERS GET
KYLE KUZMA, DENI AVDIJA, AND HERB JONES
NO. 14 PICK
2024 FIRST-ROUND PICK (VIA MIL

This deserves a Mr. Yuck

 

[wizenheimer]

Not worth it. 13 is basically just a throw in.

15 Giannis Antetokounmpo
17 Dennis Schröder
22 Mason Plumlee
24 Tim Hardaway Jr.
27 Rudy Gobert

13 Zach LaVine
14 T.J. Warren
16 Jusuf Nurkić
19 Gary Harris
25 Clint Capela
27 Bogdan Bogdanović
30 Kyle Anderson
33 Joe Harris
38 Spencer Dinwiddie
39 Jerami Grant
41 Nikola Jokić
45 Dwight Powell
46 Jordan Clarkson

13 Devin Booker
15 Kelly Oubre Jr.
22 Bobby Portis
27 Larry Nance Jr.
30 Kevon Looney
31 Cedi Osman
32 Montrezl Harrell
37 Richaun Holmes

19 Malik Beasley
20 Caris LeVert
27 Pascal Siakam
29 Dejounte Murray
32 Ivica Zubac
36 Malcolm Brogdon

13 Donovan Mitchell
14 Bam Adebayo
19 John Collins
22 Jarrett Allen
23 OG Anunoby
27 Kyle Kuzma
29 Derrick White
30 Josh Hart

14 Michael Porter Jr.
17 Donte DiVincenzo
19 Kevin Huerter
24 Anfernee Simons
33 Jalen Brunson
34 Devonte' Graham
36 Mitchell Robinson

13 Tyler Herro
28 Jordan Poole
29 Keldon Johnson
30 Kevin Porter Jr.
31 Nic Claxton
44 Bol Bol

15 Cole Anthony
20 Precious Achiuwa
21 Tyrese Maxey
25 Immanuel Quickley
28 Jaden McDaniels
30 Desmond Bane

13 Chris Duarte
16 Alperen Şengün
17 Trey Murphy III
27 Cam Thomas
35 Herbert Jones

if you're talking about averages and odds, it could be considered a bit of a minor addition. But it is a lottery pick and those carry decent value

 

[Natebishop3]

15 Giannis Antetokounmpo
17 Dennis Schröder
22 Mason Plumlee
24 Tim Hardaway Jr.
27 Rudy Gobert

13 Zach LaVine
14 T.J. Warren
16 Jusuf Nurkić
19 Gary Harris
25 Clint Capela
27 Bogdan Bogdanović
30 Kyle Anderson
33 Joe Harris
38 Spencer Dinwiddie
39 Jerami Grant
41 Nikola Jokić
45 Dwight Powell
46 Jordan Clarkson

13 Devin Booker
15 Kelly Oubre Jr.
22 Bobby Portis
27 Larry Nance Jr.
30 Kevon Looney
31 Cedi Osman
32 Montrezl Harrell
37 Richaun Holmes

19 Malik Beasley
20 Caris LeVert
27 Pascal Siakam
29 Dejounte Murray
32 Ivica Zubac
36 Malcolm Brogdon

13 Donovan Mitchell
14 Bam Adebayo
19 John Collins
22 Jarrett Allen
23 OG Anunoby
27 Kyle Kuzma
29 Derrick White
30 Josh Hart

14 Michael Porter Jr.
17 Donte DiVincenzo
19 Kevin Huerter
24 Anfernee Simons
33 Jalen Brunson
34 Devonte' Graham
36 Mitchell Robinson

13 Tyler Herro
28 Jordan Poole
29 Keldon Johnson
30 Kevin Porter Jr.
31 Nic Claxton
44 Bol Bol

15 Cole Anthony
20 Precious Achiuwa
21 Tyrese Maxey
25 Immanuel Quickley
28 Jaden McDaniels
30 Desmond Bane

13 Chris Duarte
16 Alperen Şengün
17 Trey Murphy III
27 Cam Thomas
35 Herbert Jones

if you're talking about averages and odds, it could be considered a bit of a minor addition. But it is a lottery pick and those carry decent value

Talking about the likelihood that it will actually be able to help us win right now (if that's what we're trying to do.)

 

[KingSpeed]

he wasn't spectacular or dynamic, but he was outstanding in his role as secondary scorer, ace defender, 3&D, and glue-guy. Those are all integral roles on a contender

then he went to Brooklyn and thrived as the #1 option. To be sure, the sample size of his Brooklyn surge is incredibly small vs the rest of his career (31 games vs 400 games), but it is impressive that he has been very successful is several different roles. And, he's also that very valuable and somewhat rare 2-way player (at least it's rare in Portland).

all that said, he's not worth more than #3 + Simons. But he's the only 'target' among him, Siakam, Brown, Ingram that I think is worth that price. The rest of them have too many negative factors attached and there would need to be something else coming back to Portland. The Blazers wouldn't be trading a 7-10th pick; they'd be trading a top-3 pick in what apparently is a 3 person draft. Pay up if you want it because, contrary to all the reporting, I think Portland is more than fine with keeping that pick

Bridges played some #1 option basketball in Phoenix too when Booker was hurt.

 

[wizenheimer]

* I think Portland has probably had some substantive discussions with Toronto about Siakam/#3. There would have had to have been more involved because Siakam isn't worth a 3rd pick, not on an expiring contract. I don't think the Blazers will get anywhere if they withdraw the 3 from Siakam talks though. Maybe they should be out but he's not as bad an option as some are claiming

* I know people like to imagine the Blazers landing two players like Bridges and Siakam. I just think that's ridiculously overvaluing Simons and Nurkic

 

[Pinwheel1]

What if the cost of Bridges is also taking on Simmons:

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Yeah I would do that. You want defense....you get two good ones.
Dame, Sharpe, Bridges, Simmons, and a center by committee.
4 guys who can handle the ball as well.

 

[Natebishop3]

* I think Portland has probably had some substantive discussions with Toronto about Siakam/#3. There would have had to have been more involved because Siakam isn't worth a 3rd pick, not on an expiring contract. I don't think the Blazers will get anywhere if they withdraw the 3 from Siakam talks though. Maybe they should be out but he's not as bad an option as some are claiming

* I know people like to imagine the Blazers landing two players like Bridges and Siakam. I just think that's ridiculously overvaluing Simons and Nurkic

What is Siakam worth realistically? We have already established that nobody thinks he's worth the #3. So what's his value?

Similarly, what is Bridges value? Are they demanding Simons, or is the 3rd pick really the key component of a trade with the Nets? So really aren't we just talking about filler at this point?

Simons is a nice young player and ideally we could free up a couple future picks for Siakam. To me that's fair value.

 

[blazerkor]

If Scoot is there at 3 and the Nets really want him this is the deal they should have to take.

 

[wizenheimer]

Yeah I would do that. You want defense....you get two good ones.
Dame, Sharpe, Bridges, Simmons, and a center by committee.
4 guys who can handle the ball as well.

I think the chances Simmons can rehab is game are pretty low, especially with his back issue. But if he somehow could get back close to what he was before the playoff disaster, Porland could make some noise

and if he can't, his contract conveniently expires a year before Bridges could become UFA; and at the same time Bridges can sign an extension

I'd still like to find a way to steal Claxton too, but that's being greedy I guess

 

[Natebishop3]

If Scoot is there at 3 and the Nets really want him this is the deal they should have to take.
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And then if you can flip Simons/future picks for Siakam, you're in like Flynn.

 

[Natebishop3]

If Cronin can somehow turn Simons/Nurk/#3 and filler into Bridges/Siakam/Claxton I would officially declare that he's not a bad GM!

 

[Pinwheel1]

If Cronin can somehow turn Simons/Nurk/#3 and filler into Bridges/Siakam/Claxton I would officially declare that he's not a bad GM!

A fantasy, but a really nice fantasy. (basketball-wise)

 

[tykendo]

A fantasy, but a really nice fantasy. (basketball-wise)

Fantasies do come true.

 

[blazedanugz]

I don’t understand the Siakam hate….he’s probably the second best player that’s been mentioned behind jaylen brown.
PS is really talented

 

[Natebishop3]

I don’t understand the Siakam hate….he’s probably the second best player that’s been mentioned behind jaylen brown.
PS is really talented

Age and contract are the main issues.

 

[Samuel]

What is Siakam worth realistically? We have already established that nobody thinks he's worth the #3. So what's his value?

let's start with X.

X= 1

Wood/Hart were both worth cap + late 1sts.

I think a good young player is worth 2 firsts and cap.

If you're Toronto you want to replace him with a younger player 'and' more. Young player and 3 future firsts. Remove one future first because he's expiring, older and because his cap hit is about to go up. = a young player and 2 future firsts?


(I have no idea. This is seriously why the Rudy Gobert trade screwed the pooch.)

 

[Natebishop3]

let's start with X.

X= 1

Wood/Hart were both worth cap + late 1sts.

I think a good young player is worth 2 firsts and cap.

If you're Toronto you want to replace him with a younger player 'and' more. Young player and 3 future firsts. Remove one future first because he's expiring, older and because his cap hit is about to go up. = a young player and 2 future firsts?


(I have no idea. This is seriously why the Rudy Gobert trade screwed the pooch.)

Exactly. So Simons/2 future firsts. That's exactly what I was proposing.

 

[tykendo]

If Scoot is there at 3 and the Nets really want him this is the deal they should have to take.
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Preachin' to the choir.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Age and contract are the main issues.

No doubt I like your Bridges-Claxton scenario better, I just doubt the Nets do.
As for Siakam.....his age is not an issue. He is only 2 years older than Bridges. He has at least another 4 years in his prime.
The only issue I see is resigning him, and yes that is a huge one.

 

[Sloth]

I think their is no sense to draft Scoot at 3 if the plan is for Lillard to still be here. They play the same position and obviously Scoot is not gonna start anytime soon. Dame has already said doesn't want to play with a bunch of youngsters, so not sure how much he would buy in to letting Scoot and Sharpe get better and not really be a contender in the meantime. Looking at Scoot's numbers, imo he is an incredible playmaker, but shot still needs work.

I think Lillard would prefer to stay in Portland, if and its a big if, he can get some help around him not just more projects if you will. He also has done a ton for this franchise and deserves the right imo to say well go ahead and trade me if you are not going to get us any better.

I'm not a trade expert by any means, but maybe something like trading Dame to Miami for Herro, Robinson, and some good picks? You are not going to get like for like talent wise anyway in this kind of trade, so I think that would be good value.

We are in a very sticky, uncomfortable situation with the whole thing and the draft is almost upon us.

Trade Dame or keep him; I am ambivalent at this point, just want it resolved so we can start roster planning if you will for 23/24.

 

[Natebishop3]

No doubt I like your Bridges-Claxton scenario better, I just doubt the Nets do.
As for Siakam.....his age is not an issue. He is only 2 years older than Bridges. He has at least another 4 years in his prime.
The only issue I see is resigning him, and yes that is a huge one.

Bridges age is still somewhat of a concern, but he's at least closer to the younger timeline than Siakam. 2 years and... what... 4 months(?) younger is still quite a bit of NBA mileage.

 

[Samuel]

Bridges age is still somewhat of a concern, but he's at least closer to the younger timeline than Siakam. 2 years and... what... 4 months(?) younger is still quite a bit of NBA mileage.

I think the biggest issue with Bridges is simply that they JUST acquired him. The sticker is still on the window of the car, as it were.

 

[Natebishop3]

I think the biggest issue with Bridges is simply that they JUST acquired him. The sticker is still on the window of the car, as it were.

Yeah, but Brooklyn is really screwed right now. They have no picks, they're not good enough to win, and Bridges really isn't a #1. So what do they do? They can move Bridges for Scoot and start over. Hope he turns into a superstar. Maybe it costs #3 and Ant and that's two young players who can score and create excitement. Eventually Simmons comes off their books and they have guys on rookie contracts. They can try to sign a star to play in NY like they did with Durant and Kyrie.

 

[blazedanugz]

Age and contract are the main issues.

I don’t get why his age is that big of an issue…30 isn’t that old.
Contract yeah maybe…but he is actually an all nba player. Very talented playmaker at his position. Would really open up the offense

 

[Natebishop3]

I don’t get why his age is that big of an issue…30 isn’t that old.
Contract yeah maybe…but he is actually an all nba player. Very talented playmaker at his position. Would really open up the offense

30 means he isn't at all part of the young timeline. So if we decide to blow it up in a few years and build around Shaedon, we would have to move Siakam and his big extension as well.

 

[blazedanugz]

30 means he isn't at all part of the young timeline. So if we decide to blow it up in a few years and build around Shaedon, we would have to move Siakam and his big extension as well.

mid were trading simons and #3….we don’t really have a young timeline. We’d have guys around the same age plus sharpe. So are you in the rebuild camp?

 

[Natebishop3]

mid were trading simons and #3….we don’t really have a young timeline. We’d have guys around the same age plus sharpe. So are you in the rebuild camp?

I would tend to lean towards the rebuild camp if we can't realistically put a contender around Dame. I'm not going to be happy if we trade 3 for a mediocre player.

 

[blazedanugz]

I would tend to lean towards the rebuild camp if we can't realistically put a contender around Dame. I'm not going to be happy if we trade 3 for a mediocre player.

would you rather have siakam or Ingram?

 

[Mediocre Man]

He needs to turn 3, Ant, Nurk and filler into Carter jr and a forward. Then turn Grant into the other forward

 

[Pinwheel1]

30 means he isn't at all part of the young timeline. So if we decide to blow it up in a few years and build around Shaedon, we would have to move Siakam and his big extension as well.

If we are keeping Dame then there can be two timelines. Dame, Siakam, and Grant can be one. You then have 4 years to add players who fit Sharpe's timeline. And if we want to blow it up in a couple of years then you have Siakam and Dame to get picks for youth.

Siakam will still be 29 until April.