We got the #3 pick. Discuss the possibilities.

[Samuel]

Technically the video does not have Mannix saying the trade deadline, it alludes to August. But IMO I do think the trade deadline is more likely if we can't upgrade the roster. Teams might be more desperate to give up picks if they think Dame can get them over the hump. And Portland will be more willing to make a move if what they do this summer does not work out.

When does dame’s trade restriction end? Is there a restriction?

 

[Samuel]

Chris Mannix saying he thinks there will be a move, but not at the Draft, but by the Trade Deadline with teams making an "appetizing offer."

Good that means Grant won’t walk.

 

[HansenYang]

When does dame’s trade restriction end? Is there a restriction?

July 9
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/portland-trail-blazers/damian-lillard-10814/

 

[theprunetang]

I'm OK with drafting and keeping Miller.
I'm OK with drafting and keeping Scoot.
I'm OK with trading #3+Simons for Brown.

I'm not sure how I feel about the other scenarios, though.

That's about where I stand as well.

 

[bemac]

I'm OK with drafting and keeping Miller.
I'm OK with drafting and keeping Scoot.
I'm OK with trading #3+Simons for Brown.

I'm not sure how I feel about the other scenarios, though.

Just not seeing the #3 +Simons for Brown. I think this would haunt us for some time. The only reason this would be done is to keep with Dame, and I honestly don't see how Dame + Brown is a contending team.

#3 + Sharpe + Simons(sixth man) + Grant + Watford(this is the year he puts it all together) + Dame is the best bet. Get Dame to buy into a different style of play, and it's a fun year. I know he's no Jimmy Butler, but if he could learn from him, this team has the tools.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I’ve flip flopped so many times on wanting to trade to wanting to keep the pick. So rare you get a chance to pick in top 3 with a very deep draft I’m leaning towards keeping the pick. If we are trading the pick it’s got to be for all star

Agreed. If you're not getting an All Star you keep the pick.

 

[blazerkor]

Just not seeing the #3 +Simons for Brown. I think this would haunt us for some time. The only reason this would be done is to keep with Dame, and I honestly don't see how Dame + Brown is a contending team.

#3 + Sharpe + Simons(sixth man) + Grant + Watford(this is the year he puts it all together) + Dame is the best bet. Get Dame to buy into a different style of play, and it's a fun year. I know he's no Jimmy Butler, but if he could learn from him, this team has the tools.

So Jaylen Brown an all NBA two way wing who has been the number two on a team that played for the title last year doesn't do it for you but running it back with the guys we just lost 49 games with and the third pick sounds good? The fact that you threw Trendon in as an important piece to your puzzle is pretty hilarious by itself.

If we can get Brown for Ant and #3 and if we can Nurk, filler, #23 and future picks into a C that fits Chauncey's style of play and get bench pieces with #43, the TPMLE and our TPE then we will have a competitive team. Those are a lot of ifs but I think if we just try to do our best with a rotation where the first six players are Dame, Shaedon, #3, Grant, Watford and Ant then Dame is going to demand a trade before that team ever sees the floor and he should because that team would win about 39 games.

 

[Tince]

Just not seeing the #3 +Simons for Brown. I think this would haunt us for some time. The only reason this would be done is to keep with Dame, and I honestly don't see how Dame + Brown is a contending team.

#3 + Sharpe + Simons(sixth man) + Grant + Watford(this is the year he puts it all together) + Dame is the best bet. Get Dame to buy into a different style of play, and it's a fun year. I know he's no Jimmy Butler, but if he could learn from him, this team has the tools.

I don't understand this.

A young, All-NBA player will haunt us? And you want Simons, making $20m/year coming off the bench? It doesn't make sense to me.

 

[blazerkor]

Please don't get me wrong. Although I have a sentimental attachment to Dame it doesn't mean I'm not a Blazers fan for as long as I'm breathing. So if Brandon Miller is available at three and he's something really close to KD then we've got to take that kid and if Scoot Henderson is available and is something extremely close to AI then we've got to take that kid. If we take either we've got to ship Dame out heartlessly to the team offering us the most future currency (if that's young players or unprotected FRPs) and hopefully a place that Dame has a chance to win big. If we trade Dame we have to cash in everything else we can for young talent or future picks.

I don't think either of the guys at three are sure fire future MVPs like KD and AI they might be but that's not how I'm seeing them. So let's find the teams that do see them that way and sell them that pick on draft day for the best win now pieces that make sense on this roster right now. At the same time let's send out Nurk or Ant (if they're not involved in the trade with pick 3) along with pick 23 and future picks if necessary for another starter that fits our system. Let's use pick 43 and the TPMLE on players that fill needs on our bench and if necessary let's use a future pick or picks and our GP2 TPE to sure up the rest of our bench. Youth rebuild or going for the title next year... nothing in between!

 

[Strenuus]

Man between the lottery and draft day it just feels like an eternity.

 

[e_blazer]

Man between the lottery and draft day it just feels like an eternity.

Hey, it’s under 4 weeks until the draft. Until then, we can all enjoy the experience of dropping in here to hear how stupid and uninformed we are to be thinking what we are about Blazers moves.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[Labinot41]

at the 12 minute mark, they talk about the Blazers

 

[Pinwheel1]

Agreed. If you're not getting an All-Star you keep the pick.

That gets tricky. I think we should be a little more flexible than that. I mean Bridges has never technically been an all-star. (Although has made the NBA all-defensive team) Maybe enlarge that pool of players to include someone who can help us contend? We don't want to exclude up-and-coming players who we think could play at an all-star level.....sooner than anyone we would draft at #3

 

[Phatguysrule]

That gets tricky. I think we should be a little more flexible than that. I mean Bridges has never technically been an all-star. (Although has made the NBA all-defensive team) Maybe enlarge that pool of players to include someone who can help us contend? We don't want to exclude up-and-coming players who we think could play at an all-star level.....sooner than anyone we would draft at #3

Yeah, I guess it should say "All-Star caliber". Really, it needs to be a player better than Grant at a position of need.

 

[Pinwheel1]

A few comments from that Woj Podcast that I have been thinking about as well:

There is more parity in the league now so teams think they can more easily make that jump next year

Scoot shoots really well off the dribble

Most agree it is a 3 player draft. We kind of knew that but still, it is nice for the national media to reinforce that....giving the pick more value.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

The more I think about it, the more I'm willing to take either Scoot or Miller if there isn't a fair deal for Bridges/Brown/Siakam.

Ideally they can still make tweaks by using Ant/Nurk/future picks for better fits. If not, Ant needs to come off the bench.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Just not seeing the #3 +Simons for Brown. I think this would haunt us for some time. The only reason this would be done is to keep with Dame, and I honestly don't see how Dame + Brown is a contending team.

#3 + Sharpe + Simons(sixth man) + Grant + Watford(this is the year he puts it all together) + Dame is the best bet. Get Dame to buy into a different style of play, and it's a fun year. I know he's no Jimmy Butler, but if he could learn from him, this team has the tools.

When Neil was hired, he talked about developing players, and then making a big consolidation trade - he was never able to do it. Now, a young, all-NBA, 2-way player who fits a team need and wants to come to Portland (Brown) is available, and you don't want him? Dreams don't get any wetter than this, especially for small market teams.

Now, I understand not wanting Siakam because of fit reasons. But, Brown and Bridges (if they don't want the moon) are too perfect in fit and ability to pass up.

 

[Natebishop3]

Let's say we end up with Miller. I think we look to move Simons for another key player.

Why would Brooklyn do this? Why would they want Siakam? Why wouldn't they want the #3 pick?

 

[wizenheimer]

The more I think about it, the more I'm willing to take either Scoot or Miller if there isn't a fair deal for Bridges/Brown/Siakam.

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well, yeah, those appear to be the two main tracks available to Portland right now. One or the other. Then the next pivot point is how Dame reacts

I guess it's kind of simple. I want Dame to stay but I also don't want the Blazers to pay much more than #3 + salary for Bridges or Brown. #3 for Siakam seems a bit high so it would have to be a bigger trade

if those trades aren't available, than take BPA at the draft. If Dame wants out, so be it. If that happens, hopefully the Blazers make more trades for draft capital (Ant-Nurk-Grant) and go for more lottery balls

 

[e_blazer]

if those trades aren't available, than take BPA at the draft. If Dame wants out, so be it. If that happens, hopefully the Blazers make more trades for draft capital (Ant-Nurk-Grant) and go for more lottery balls

I hope they have a good streaming package in the afterlife.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

well, yeah, those appear to be the two main tracks available to Portland right now. One or the other. Then the next pivot point is how Dame reacts

I guess it's kind of simple. I want Dame to stay but I also don't want the Blazers to pay much more than #3 + salary for Bridges or Brown. #3 for Siakam seems a bit high so it would have to be a bigger trade

if those trades aren't available, than take BPA at the draft. If Dame wants out, so be it. If that happens, hopefully the Blazers make more trades for draft capital (Ant-Nurk-Grant) and go for more lottery balls

Dame wanted the #7 pick to be traded until he saw the asking price.

I have no doubt that if the asking price is ridiculous, Dame will see that and agree that they should use the pick.

Also, we're thinking of the pick in terms of value. But our scouts have an idea of how good Scoot or Miller will be and value it as such.

If the trade ain't there, it ain't there. Let's hope Scoot and Miller have killer workouts with the Blazers and they are evaluated highly. If they're not, perhaps Blazers will pay more to get a Bridges/Brown/Siakam or move back in the draft.

I trust our scouts.

 

[Driew]

When Neil was hired, he talked about developing players, and then making a big consolidation trade - he was never able to do it. Now, a young, all-NBA, 2-way player who fits a team need and wants to come to Portland (Brown) is available, and you don't want him? Dreams don't get any wetter than this, especially for small market teams.

Now, I understand not wanting Siakam because of fit reasons. But, Brown and Bridges (if they don't want the moon) are too perfect in fit and ability to pass up.

Wait hold on when did brown say he wanted to come to Portland?

 

[wizenheimer]

Wait hold on when did brown say he wanted to come to Portland?

on Taco Tuesday, in Dean Wormer's house, after midnight

 

[blazerfan11]

I don't understand this.

A young, All-NBA player will haunt us? And you want Simons, making $20m/year coming off the bench? It doesn't make sense to me.

Yes, Simons coming off the bench making $24 million makes sense when the starting shootings guard is making $6 million and in his 2nd season.

 

[Tince]

Yes, Simons coming off the bench making $24 million makes sense when the starting shootings guard is making $6 million and in his 2nd season.

How does that make it make sense?

 

[B-Roy]

Givony on Wojs podcast said the player needs to blow the Blazers out of park in order for us to move the 3rd pick and right now that player isn’t there. Doesn’t think we are going to trade it.

 

[Labinot41]

Givony on Wojs podcast said the player needs to blow the Blazers out of park in order for us to move the 3rd pick and right now that player isn’t there. Doesn’t think we are going to trade it.

That's the dude who worked with Schmitz right? I imagine that he's still in contact with him

 

[BigGameDamian]

Dame wanted the #7 pick to be traded until he saw the asking price.

I have no doubt that if the asking price is ridiculous, Dame will see that and agree that they should use the pick.

Also, we're thinking of the pick in terms of value. But our scouts have an idea of how good Scoot or Miller will be and value it as such.

If the trade ain't there, it ain't there. Let's hope Scoot and Miller have killer workouts with the Blazers and they are evaluated highly. If they're not, perhaps Blazers will pay more to get a Bridges/Brown/Siakam or move back in the draft.

I trust our scouts.

Perhaps Dame will see it that way and still rather go to a more veteran team we’re he can win now, Not later.

 

[Tince]

Givony on Wojs podcast said the player needs to blow the Blazers out of park in order for us to move the 3rd pick and right now that player isn’t there. Doesn’t think we are going to trade it.

So Givony said Scoot/Miller need to blow the Blazers out of the park in a pre-draft workout for us to be willing to trade it? That doesn't make sense to me.

I am happy to see Givony carrying water for Schmitz!