We got the #3 pick. Discuss the possibilities.

Welcome to our community

Be a part of something great, join today!

Register Log in

What are you hoping for with this pick?

  • Total voters
    98
PtldPlatypus said:
KPJ probably would have to be involved; since this couldn't happen until 7/10, Houston would likely have signed Harden first, so salary matching would absolutely be a concern.
Click to expand...

Yeah, and I don't see a role for KPJ on that team.

Harden
Green
Brown

That's their backcourt and wing.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Dame also dominates the ball with Ant having a scoring focus when he got the ball. DeRozan didn't have anyone dominate the ball, he was the one doing it in San Antonio. I think if Ant was the clear focal point of an offense his assists would be much higher than CJ/DeRozen - possibly even higher than Dame. I'd expect Ant's turnover would be higher so yeah maybe he doesn't hit your ratios - but his scoring would be higher as well.
Click to expand...

LOL...it just keeps recycling..."CJ will be a prolific PG if he isn't deferring to Dame"...."CJ will average way more assists than Dame"...."CJ will be an All-Star if he has his own team"

just plug Ant into those predictions. After being so damn wrong about CJ you'd think people would be cautious about anointing Ant with lots more talent than he's ever shown...but no, let's go ahead and rinse/repeat the same fantasies
 
wizenheimer said:
LOL...it just keeps recycling..."CJ will be a prolific PG if he isn't deferring to Dame"...."CJ will average way more assists than Dame"...."CJ will be an All-Star if he has his own team"

just plug Ant into those predictions. After being so damn wrong about CJ you'd think people would be cautious about anointing Ant with lots more talent than he's ever shown...but no, let's go ahead and rinse/repeat the same fantasies
Click to expand...
To be clear, I used to think that CJ could be an All-Star if he was traded to a team where he was the #1 option. That's not the case with New Orleans. CJ is maybe the 3rd option when everyone is healthy.
 
2023 Center Rankings

Have any of you seen this kid Sharp from W. Kentucky. We need a center in the draft at 23 or second round. Lively probably will not be there at 23. Here is a link to this kid and the old saying you can not teach height

https://nbadraftroom.com/jamarion-sharp/
  1. Victor Wembanyama – 7-4 – France
  2. Dereck Lively – 7-0 – Duke
  3. James Nnaji – 6-10 – Barcelona (Nigeria)
  4. Tristan Vukcevic – 6-10 – Serbia
  5. Clifford Omoruyi – 6-11 – Rutgers (Nigeria)
  6. Zvonimir Ivisic – 7-3 – Croatia
  7. Oscar Tshiebwe – 6-9 – Kentucky (Congo)
  8. Jamarion Sharp – 7-5 – W. Kentucky
  9. Charles Bediako – 6-11 – Alabama (Canada)
 
Irish Trader said:
2023 Center Rankings

Have any of you seen this kid Sharp from W. Kentucky. We need a center in the draft at 23 or second round. Lively probably will not be there at 23. Here is a link to this kid and the old saying you can not teach height

https://nbadraftroom.com/jamarion-sharp/
  1. Victor Wembanyama – 7-4 – France
  2. Dereck Lively – 7-0 – Duke
  3. James Nnaji – 6-10 – Barcelona (Nigeria)
  4. Tristan Vukcevic – 6-10 – Serbia
  5. Clifford Omoruyi – 6-11 – Rutgers (Nigeria)
  6. Zvonimir Ivisic – 7-3 – Croatia
  7. Oscar Tshiebwe – 6-9 – Kentucky (Congo)
  8. Jamarion Sharp – 7-5 – W. Kentucky
  9. Charles Bediako – 6-11 – Alabama (Canada)
Click to expand...

SHARPE TO SHARP FOR THE JAM

SHARP TO SHARPE FOR THE JAM

Person listening on the radio: WHO TO WHO? @Travis Demers nightmare
 
wizenheimer said:
ok...you're right that we don't agree and I think you're way too dismissive of DDR's talent

by the way, even without that three point shot, DDR is a 6-time all-star including the last 2 seasons; a 3 time all-NBA choice including last season; a 14 time player of the week, and a 3 time player of the month. When was the last time Portland even had a 1 time all-star, besides Dame, that was 6 months removed from his last appearance? Last season DDR averaged 25-5-5. He's not the chopped liver you imply he is
Click to expand...

sorry for quoting myself, but I wanted to add something to this:

there are no perfect transitions and projections from team to team; and I'm certainly not saying DDR is on par with Bridges/Brown/Siakam, but when you gauge impact you can, to a degree, use winshares, Last season's marks for winshares (and since it's a cumulative stat I'll include total minutes)

winshares:

Derozan - 8.5 (2682 minutes) ---> .153 winshares/48
Siakam - 7.8 (2652) ---> .141 winshares/48
Bridges - 7.5 (2963) ---> .121 winshares/48
Brown - 5.0 (2405) ---> .100 winshares/48

BPM is a lot more rotation dependent, and a bit more team dependent, like winshares

BPM:

Siakam 3.1
DeRozan 2.0
Bridges 1.7
Brown 1.3

Siakam does get rebounds and assists at a good level, and plays ok defense. He gets a box score bump because of his overall versatility. Bridges is probably not getting enough statistical credit for defense, but he is a poor rebounder and to this point hasn't demonstrated consistent play-making.

I think some are undervaluing DDR's impact. And the more I looks at things, the more I question if Brown is really worth the 3rd pick and a 57M/year contract
 
Natebishop3 said:
To be clear, I used to think that CJ could be an All-Star if he was traded to a team where he was the #1 option. That's not the case with New Orleans. CJ is maybe the 3rd option when everyone is healthy.
Click to expand...

ok...but let's be honest...CJ does not have real all-star talent; never had it, never will. If he's the #1 option on a team that team will have trouble winning 30 games because that team will not have any real talent

CJ averaged 21 points this year on 18 shots. To get him up around 30 points/game, where he'd have to be for an all-star berth, he'd have to average 26-27 FGA. Just for reference Doncic led the NBA in FGA at 22/game. And if CJ was actually the 1st option, for the first time in his career he'd be facing the other team's best defender every game. He's not even going to maintain his average to below-average efficiency

now, I am probably a little too down on Ant, but I had to endure 7 years of Olshey apologists and CJ fanboys, so I have a bit of a short fuse when Ant's credited with lots more talent than I've seen....just like CJ was year after year
 
Irish Trader said:
2023 Center Rankings

Have any of you seen this kid Sharp from W. Kentucky. We need a center in the draft at 23 or second round. Lively probably will not be there at 23. Here is a link to this kid and the old saying you can not teach height

https://nbadraftroom.com/jamarion-sharp/
  1. Victor Wembanyama – 7-4 – France
  2. Dereck Lively – 7-0 – Duke
  3. James Nnaji – 6-10 – Barcelona (Nigeria)
  4. Tristan Vukcevic – 6-10 – Serbia
  5. Clifford Omoruyi – 6-11 – Rutgers (Nigeria)
  6. Zvonimir Ivisic – 7-3 – Croatia
  7. Oscar Tshiebwe – 6-9 – Kentucky (Congo)
  8. Jamarion Sharp – 7-5 – W. Kentucky
  9. Charles Bediako – 6-11 – Alabama (Canada)
Click to expand...

But do his highlights look any better than Badgi's? I don't think so. Now granted they are just highlights so it is hard to tell. I wish I knew because I don't want to waste #23 unless one of these centers is. Too many other quality players will be available. My guess is a center will be taken in round 2.
 
wizenheimer said:
sorry for quoting myself, but I wanted to add something to this:

there are no perfect transitions and projections from team to team; and I'm certainly not saying DDR is on par with Bridges/Brown/Siakam, but when you gauge impact you can, to a degree, use winshares, Last season's marks for winshares (and since it's a cumulative stat I'll include total minutes)

winshares:

Derozan - 8.5 (2682 minutes) ---> .153 winshares/48
Siakam - 7.8 (2652) ---> .141 winshares/48
Bridges - 7.5 (2963) ---> .121 winshares/48
Brown - 5.0 (2405) ---> .100 winshares/48

BPM is a lot more rotation dependent, and a bit more team dependent, like winshares

BPM:

Siakam 3.1
DeRozan 2.0
Bridges 1.7
Brown 1.3

Siakam does get rebounds and assists at a good level, and plays ok defense. He gets a box score bump because of his overall versatility. Bridges is probably not getting enough statistical credit for defense, but he is a poor rebounder and to this point hasn't demonstrated consistent play-making.

I think some are undervaluing DDR's impact. And the more I looks at things, the more I question if Brown is really worth the 3rd pick and a 57M/year contract
Click to expand...

No idea where these numbers come from but I trust you didn't just manufacture these.

I share the sentiment that giving up #3 for Brown at his gigantic price is not the best move for us.

I want Sharpe to start asap and be good but still the 5th best starter on our team next year, so I am not hot on Derozan.

Siakam would be good if we can get him to agree to resign

Bridges would be a good addition too. Any of the mentioned players will improve our team. It all depends on price of acquisition.
 
AmirIcon said:
We need a point of attack defender. That's why I like Bridges at his price more than Brown. If you can't get a piece that fits, draft the highest ceiling guy you can and use Ant/Nurk/Picks to get a vet.
Click to expand...

We have Thybulle as the PoA defender for the 2nd unit. Bridges would be almost perfect for the 1st unit. My issue is his poor rebounding paired with Grant's also poor rebounding at the forward spots
 
Natebishop3 said:
I'd take Brown, but I honestly don't think he'd stay here if Dame was gone. It's not worth the risk with him going into free agency. Rather just get the 4th pick and take Thompson.
Click to expand...

I'm starting to think that I would rather acquire #4 plus some other assets and take Amen as our PG rather than selecting Scoot. They are pretty similar in strengths/weaknesses except Amen is a much better defender and he is way more versatile because of his length. Kind of a Scottie Pippen role.
 
inconceivable said:
We have Thybulle as the PoA defender for the 2nd unit. Bridges would be almost perfect for the 1st unit. My issue is his poor rebounding paired with Grant's also poor rebounding at the forward spots
Click to expand...

A legitimate concern for sure. Jaylen Brown is a superior rebounder to Bridges.
 
inconceivable said:
We have Thybulle as the PoA defender for the 2nd unit. Bridges would be almost perfect for the 1st unit. My issue is his poor rebounding paired with Grant's also poor rebounding at the forward spots
Click to expand...

It doesn't matter who the POA defenders are if your defensive scheme is to switch every screen...or when two offensive players simply pass near each other.
They could have 4 great defenders on the floor along with Dame or Ant and the offense will simply use one screen to isolate Dame/Ant. Bury the better defender in the corner to negate a strong POA defender and take advantage of a weak defender.
Chauncey's scheme is very flawed and Dame and Ant are very bad defensively which makes it very hard to get stops consistently.
 
wizenheimer said:
Olshey apologists and CJ fanboys
Click to expand...
I am neither of those things. And I said "used to" because now I don't think he would. There are far too many short guards who put up points in the league right now. CJ is not special.
 
inconceivable said:
No idea where these numbers come from but I trust you didn't just manufacture these.

I share the sentiment that giving up #3 for Brown at his gigantic price is not the best move for us.

I want Sharpe to start asap and be good but still the 5th best starter on our team next year, so I am not hot on Derozan.

Siakam would be good if we can get him to agree to resign

Bridges would be a good addition too. Any of the mentioned players will improve our team. It all depends on price of acquisition.
Click to expand...

those are numbers from basketball reference:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/

I'm not 'hot' on DeRozan either. But I do think a player like him enters the conversation when you start gauging the 'acquisition-cost/long-term-cost/impact' equations. I think the cost of the 3 players constantly mentioned will be way too high. And the one player, Brown, who may have a lower acquisition cost will likely have by far the highest long-term-cost while also having the least impact
 
wizenheimer said:
LOL...it just keeps recycling..."CJ will be a prolific PG if he isn't deferring to Dame"...."CJ will average way more assists than Dame"...."CJ will be an All-Star if he has his own team"

just plug Ant into those predictions. After being so damn wrong about CJ you'd think people would be cautious about anointing Ant with lots more talent than he's ever shown...but no, let's go ahead and rinse/repeat the same fantasies
Click to expand...

Well the biggest difference is Ant is 23 right now and CJ was 30 as a Blazer. Yeah if Ant produces exactly as he is now for the next 7 years then I probably won't expect much unrealized upside. Ant is at an age that players normally make significant improvements.
 
wizenheimer said:
sorry for quoting myself, but I wanted to add something to this:

there are no perfect transitions and projections from team to team; and I'm certainly not saying DDR is on par with Bridges/Brown/Siakam, but when you gauge impact you can, to a degree, use winshares, Last season's marks for winshares (and since it's a cumulative stat I'll include total minutes)

winshares:

Derozan - 8.5 (2682 minutes) ---> .153 winshares/48
Siakam - 7.8 (2652) ---> .141 winshares/48
Bridges - 7.5 (2963) ---> .121 winshares/48
Brown - 5.0 (2405) ---> .100 winshares/48

BPM is a lot more rotation dependent, and a bit more team dependent, like winshares

BPM:

Siakam 3.1
DeRozan 2.0
Bridges 1.7
Brown 1.3

Siakam does get rebounds and assists at a good level, and plays ok defense. He gets a box score bump because of his overall versatility. Bridges is probably not getting enough statistical credit for defense, but he is a poor rebounder and to this point hasn't demonstrated consistent play-making.

I think some are undervaluing DDR's impact. And the more I looks at things, the more I question if Brown is really worth the 3rd pick and a 57M/year contract
Click to expand...

DeRozen would be totally fine on offense here, maybe even great offensively next season, especially if the Blazers still have a lot of shooting with Dame/Sharpe/Grant/#3/etc.

The issue is entirely on the defensive end. Grant and DeRozen are a horrible duo, and you combine that with Dame poor defense, maybe Ant or Scoot being undersized, Sharpe still being below average in that regard, Nurk's poor mobility, and the team just doesn't have any good upside to win in the playoffs. They might be great in the regular season and even a top3 seed but they'll get smoked when the games matter just like the Melo/Kanter teams.

Then add to it that DeRozen is likely to decline every year and you question whats the point of acquiring him.

Now if a Bulls trade makes sense for other factors and DeRozen is more of a contract filler throw in it would be great. But if the Blazers have to fork over picks, young players, or other long term assets to have DeRozen included I question the point of doing that experiment.
 
cheesehoff said:
It doesn't matter who the POA defenders are if your defensive scheme is to switch every screen...or when two offensive players simply pass near each other.
They could have 4 great defenders on the floor along with Dame or Ant and the offense will simply use one screen to isolate Dame/Ant. Bury the better defender in the corner to negate a strong POA defender and take advantage of a weak defender.
Chauncey's scheme is very flawed and Dame and Ant are very bad defensively which makes it very hard to get stops consistently.
Click to expand...

The previous schemes used could have been based off the personnel.
 
AmirIcon said:
We need a point of attack defender. That's why I like Bridges at his price more than Brown. If you can't get a piece that fits, draft the highest ceiling guy you can and use Ant/Nurk/Picks to get a vet.
Click to expand...

Great post - yeah thats why Siakam/DeRozen/etc don't make any sense. Our defense will still suck and then we just gave away a possible hall of famer at #3 for Olshey style mediocrity.
 
Can’t wait till the NBA finals are over and shit really starts hitting the fan in here!
 
Trade Idea that include these players in my opinion are DOA cause these players do not fit what the Blazers need:

KAT -- contract and like Grant
Christian Wood -- Like Grant
Ayton -- Contract , Lazy / Lack of work Ethic
Siakam -- Like Grant
DeRozen -- OLD ( decline inc ) , Poor Shooter

I reserve right to add more but I am sick of seeing trades that involve these players
 
He is better then Grant but he is still more like him then not and this is the truth but we differ on this no biggie but another thought crossed my mind on this 3rd pick ....

What if the Blazers decide to package Ant or Nurk with the other 1st round pick - ( 23rd ) to get bench / depth pieces

Let's say the Hornets take Scoot the Blazers might decide to take Miller or one of the Thompson twins to play SF or maybe Trade back to get someone else to get more assets -

I do think the Blazers first , 2nd and 3rd plan is to try and get another proven star but what if that falls through and they have to come up with a more creative solution to help Dame and try and make him happy. The only real flaw with this idea is we have a GM who is average at best so that means we would have to place our faith in Cronin and that is scary.
 
I continue to think that if the Magic are really in love with pick 3 that we could send 3 and Ant for Franz, WCJ and pick 11. We could then package pick 11 and Nurk to a team like Indy for bench guys like McConnell and Jalen Smith. Pick BPA at 23 and 43 which is where Schmitz makes his money.
 
blazerkor said:
I continue to think that if the Magic are really in love with pick 3 that we could send 3 and Ant for Franz, WCJ and pick 11. We could then package pick 11 and Nurk to a team like Indy for bench guys like McConnell and Jalen Smith. Pick BPA at 23 and 43 which is where Schmitz makes his money.
Click to expand...

Then we turned a possible hall of fame player at #3 into a bunch of lesser parts?

I guess if the Blazers had an elite big 3 already and needed to fill out a roster of deep role players to contend that might make sense. With where the Blazers are currently at it just seems better to draft BPA at 3 and gamble that you hit a star.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top