We got the #3 pick. Discuss the possibilities. (8 Viewers)

[BIG Q]

Every Dame apologist acts as if a rookie can not improve from college, G League or whatever to the NBA. Dame was more NBA ready because he played 4 years of college. Pretty sure Scoot or Miller will be light years better after 3 NBA seasons than they are now. I look forward to seeing one of them tear it up for Portland.

 

[wizenheimer]

Technically I don't believe he can extend if traded to Portland, right?

Perhaps you just mean a Jermai Grant situation, where he will hit free agency but we're extremely confident he will resign.

Bobby Marks said Brown could get 5 year $295 million from Boston but only 5 year $250 million if he signs or is traded to another team.

I think Marks is wrong if he actually said that:



http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q53



http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q58



http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q95

sure looks like any Brown extension this year, if he's traded to Portland, could only be for 2 extra years. If Portland trades for him, they couldn't give him an extension till essentially 2024. In fact, if you read the footnote on section 95 above, if the trade happened at the draft, his extension can only be for 1 year because this season and next would count as the first two seasons of the 3 season maximum

so all the chatter about needing the assurance of a S&T seems pointless. I would not be in Brown's best interest, at all, to sign any extend and trade deal

 

[BankTeller]

Sounds like Michael Carter Williams

That's fairly disingenuous to compare those two. MCW was 22 when he entered the league and was terrible as a shooter AND finisher. He's also not nearly as big, fast, or strong and was never in the same stratosphere as Amen defensively.

I get why you made the comparison. MCW was a terrible shooter as well, and never developed into a good one. But that's really where the comparisons end. It's fair to think Amen will have a 3pt% around 25% like MCW, even though I see that as unlikely. It's highly unfair to think Amen will barely be a 40%fg guy for his entire career. That's why I don't buy into this comparison.

 

[illmatic99]

That's fairly disingenuous to compare those two. MCW was 22 when he entered the league and was terrible as a shooter AND finisher. He's also not nearly as big, fast, or strong and was never in the same stratosphere as Amen defensively.

I get why you made the comparison. MCW was a terrible shooter as well, and never developed into a good one. But that's really where the comparisons end. It's fair to think Amen will have a 3pt% around 25% like MCW, even though I see that as unlikely. It's highly unfair to think Amen will barely be a 40%fg guy for his entire career. That's why I don't buy into this comparison.

Sorry, I'm just having a tough time understanding what this OTE thing is. Maybe Amen turns out into a useful player-- i just dont have a sufficient understanding of his competiton to gauge the value of a 20 yr old going up against guys 2-4 yrs younger than him.

 

[HansenYang]

We have seen top picks traded post draft such as Wiggins for Kevin Love.

I actually think the Blazers potentially could be one of these situations, since drafting a rookie at #3 potentially has so many veterans and franchise player on the roster also in motion. Especially if the Blazers select Scoot, it would seem a trade has to be coming.

But there is also free agency, and stars asking or not asking for trades in July. Blazers aren't really forced to do any action right away except resigning Grant

So historical odds would suggest a trade of #3 is most likely going to happen on draft night. But with the Blazers this entire off-season is unknown and difficult to predict.

Typically those trades are agreed to before the draft, but executed after.

The Love/Wiggins trade was done on August 23 - exactly 30 days after he signed his rookie contract with the Cavs. The delay was so that Wiggins' contract could be aggregated for salary matching purposes.

IF Brooklyn would agree to trade Bridges for #3 -> then Portland could do something similar where Little + #3 signed player were traded for Bridges.

 

[HansenYang]

Fuck off already Toronto

Is this in reference to some recent news?
Or just 'because'?

 

[wizenheimer]

Every Dame apologist acts as if a rookie can not improve from college, G League or whatever to the NBA.

that is an absolute crock of shit.

I haven't seen anybody say rookies can't improve. Nobody. It's just about the loopiest straw man I've seen around here

and what exactly are Dame fans "apologizing" for? That every July he's a year older than the previous July?...like everybody who has ever been born?

that he isn't Giannis or Lebron or Jokic? why would we apologize for that considering he's the best Blazer ever?

there were several posters here who sure seem convinced a year ago that Dame was already on his downhill slide. I even saw a few say that he was never going to be as good as he was in 2018-20. Then he comes out and has his best season ever. So, Dame-Apologists say "pound sand" to Dame-Haters. Labels are fun, right?

what us Dame 'fans' are generally thinking is that there are no guarantees with whatever Portland does. And what this particular Dame fan (me) is seeing is that some of the trade-Dame advocates happen to be some of the biggest peddlers of the Scoot-hype. Coincidence?

 

[RR7]

Chris Paul was a HORRIBLE three point shooter during his rookie season, but he massively turned it around and has shot over 40% a couple times.

Paul shot 46 and 47 percent in college. It's not like his good shooting came out of nowhere.

 

[Natebishop3]

Paul shot 46 and 47 percent in college. It's not like his good shooting came out of nowhere.

College 3 isn't NBA 3.

He shot 28% from three during his rookie season. I'm guessing it took him that long to adapt his shooting.

 

[Hoopguru]

That's fairly disingenuous to compare those two. MCW was 22 when he entered the league and was terrible as a shooter AND finisher. He's also not nearly as big, fast, or strong and was never in the same stratosphere as Amen defensively.

I get why you made the comparison. MCW was a terrible shooter as well, and never developed into a good one. But that's really where the comparisons end. It's fair to think Amen will have a 3pt% around 25% like MCW, even though I see that as unlikely. It's highly unfair to think Amen will barely be a 40%fg guy for his entire career. That's why I don't buy into this comparison.

Maybe he can get as good as Scoots 43% fg & 26.5% threes? Took Scoot two years in the G league top accomplish it however....

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I think Marks is wrong if he actually said that:

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http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q95

sure looks like any Brown extension this year, if he's traded to Portland, could only be for 2 extra years. If Portland trades for him, they couldn't give him an extension till essentially 2024. In fact, if you read the footnote on section 95 above, if the trade happened at the draft, his extension can only be for 1 year because this season and next would count as the first two seasons of the 3 season maximum

so all the chatter about needing the assurance of a S&T seems pointless. I would not be in Brown's best interest, at all, to sign any extend and trade deal

Marks only said the 295 vs 250 amounts. Yes what you found is what I remember, that guys such as Siakam and Brown basically can't sign an extension that is in their interest if traded, similar to Grant. We'd have to wait until they are in free agency the following summer to resign them.

 

[wizenheimer]

Marks only said the 295 vs 250 amounts. Yes what you found is what I remember, that guys such as Siakam and Brown basically can't sign an extension that is in their interest if traded, similar to Grant. We'd have to wait until they are in free agency the following summer to resign them.

yeah, that's very likely.

Blazers will almost certainly have to wait till any player is UFA before inking a new deal. I know it's a risk, but there are no risk free moves. And any player worth the trouble is not going to want to sign with a lottery team; and any playoff team is not going to have 40-50M in cap-space. The simple leverage of the market would help the Blazers, and give them cover, in a situation like that

 

[RR7]

College 3 isn't NBA 3.

He shot 28% from three during his rookie season. I'm guessing it took him that long to adapt his shooting.

Of course the 3 point line is different. Doesn't change the point that he had already proven himself to be a great shooter. He had 1 down year shooting as a rookie, adjusting to the new line, and then became a good shooter again.

But sure, let's take a top 5 PG ever as the basis for a comparison. Because hey, if he can do it, why not Scoot?!

 

[damianlillard]

Maybe he can get as good as Scoots 43% fg & 26.5% threes? Took Scoot two years in the G league top accomplish it however....

Did scoot play two year? All I’m seeing is that he played one year

 

[DDolla]

If we have Ainge as our GM, he will keep the pick then probably trade Dame for 7 first round picks

 

[blazerfan11]

Wrong! Dame is a much better passer than Scoot. Get outta here with that disrespect.

Typically those trades are agreed to before the draft, but executed after.

The Love/Wiggins trade was done on August 23 - exactly 30 days after he signed his rookie contract with the Cavs. The delay was so that Wiggins' contract could be aggregated for salary matching purposes.

IF Brooklyn would agree to trade Bridges for #3 -> then Portland could do something similar where Little + #3 signed player were traded for Bridges.

Doesn’t it matter who is available for the 3rd pick? It’s the 3rd pick in 2023 not the future.

 

[RR7]

If we have Ainge as our GM, he will keep the pick then probably trade Dame for 7 first round picks

If my aunt had a dick she'd be my uncle. Cool thought though

 

[blazerfan11]

Did scoot play two year? All I’m seeing is that he played one year

 

[RR7]

Did scoot play two year? All I’m seeing is that he played one year

For some reason I don't feel like digging too far in to to find out, the Ignite team he's on was only allowed to play in the Winter Showcase his "rookie" year, so his stats don't show up as having played a normal G-League season.

 

[damianlillard]

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Much appreciated bro. I knew he played two season but couldn’t figured out why they only have his last season

 

[glazeduck]

If you're evaluating Scoot purely on his ability to shoot from long-distance, I'm sorry, but you're just doing it wrong.

Yes, we've certainly been spoiled by Dame's range and overall shooting prowess, but that's not Scoot's game, nor why he's considered a top pick and potential franchise player. Do Giannis and Lebron get that same treatment? Scoot may or may not get to that level -- but that's far more his game and the reasons to get excited about him. He's an explosive athlete, built like a linebacker who excels in the mid-range, getting to the bucket and setting up his teammates. He's also tough as nails and a crazy competitor.

Passing on him because he's not a great 3 point shooter at 19 makes about as much sense as passing on Dame because he's not good at defense -- he's not a perfect player, which is why he could be available at 3, but he's a talented enough athlete with the right makeup to improve on his weaknesses, that he could easily be a franchise player. Similarly, just as we all wish Dame was the second coming of Gary Payton on defense, we'll wish and hope that Scoot improves his shooting... Unlike a lot of other traits, shooting actually is a skill that has proven to be improvable...

 

[Predator]

I just see both Brandon Miller and Scoot as clearly superior prospects. At #4 I'd consider Amen. Miller is way more NBA ready, has a way more complete game without weaknesses. Amen doesn't have Scoot dominant upside. Yes he has athletic gifts, but as you say terrible shooting, and he isn't particularly young (he's older than Sharpe).

Yeah we're splitting hairs here - he's still a great prospect. Just can't see any way it makes sense to draft him at #3 over Miller or Scoot.

Some people say Amen has the highest upside in the draft outside of Wemby, but he also has one of the lowest floors because his shooting is even more questionable than Scoot's.

 

[Predator]

If you're evaluating Scoot purely on his ability to shoot from long-distance, I'm sorry, but you're just doing it wrong.

Yes, we've certainly been spoiled by Dame's range and overall shooting prowess, but that's not Scoot's game, nor why he's considered a top pick and potential franchise player. Do Giannis and Lebron get that same treatment? Scoot may or may not get to that level -- but that's far more his game and the reasons to get excited about him. He's an explosive athlete, built like a linebacker who excels in the mid-range, getting to the bucket and setting up his teammates. He's also tough as nails and a crazy competitor.

Passing on him because he's not a great 3 point shooter at 19 makes about as much sense as passing on Dame because he's not good at defense -- he's not a perfect player, which is why he could be available at 3, but he's a talented enough athlete with the right makeup to improve on his weaknesses, that he could easily be a franchise player. Similarly, just as we all wish Dame was the second coming of Gary Payton on defense, we'll wish and hope that Scoot improves his shooting... Unlike a lot of other traits, shooting actually is a skill that has proven to be improvable...

LeBron and Giannis are 6'8+, not 6'2 (if that). Pretty big difference.

 

[wizenheimer]

yeah...Scoot looks like he might be around 6'2....maybe. I know he was not the only one who didn't participate in the measurements of the pre-draft combine, but it does make me wonder if he's worried about the numbers, or at least his agent may be

 

[glazeduck]

LeBron and Giannis are 6'8+, not 6'2 (if that). Pretty big difference.

I mean... doesn't that go without saying? Would calling him the Lebron/Giannis of PGs make that sit better? He plays a similar type of aggressive, physical, get-to-the-basket basketball. I don't think there's any different expectation of wings than there are of lead guards to be great shooters, it's not like I compared him to Boban...

 

[glazeduck]

yeah...Scoot looks like he might be around 6'2....maybe. I know he was not the only one who didn't participate in the measurements of the pre-draft combine, but it does make me wonder if he's worried about the numbers, or at least his agent may be

This is similar to the "Brandon Roy kept information about his knee injury secret" line of thinking... Scoot will be measured by any team he visits, we will know everything about his body that we need to. Whether he's 6'0" 1/2 or 6'3", he's still a PG, an inch won't make a lot of difference...

 

[tykendo]

Every Dame apologist acts as if a rookie can not improve from college, G League or whatever to the NBA. Dame was more NBA ready because he played 4 years of college. Pretty sure Scoot or Miller will be light years better after 3 NBA seasons than they are now. I look forward to seeing one of them tear it up for Portland.

There's no need to apologize for a top 75 all time player. Lack of respect for a great player is worth standing up to the BS. An unproven player being great is purely speculation. And should be treated as such.

 

[Hoopguru]

Did scoot play two year? All I’m seeing is that he played one year

He did, refer to attachment paragraph and it states his first year stats.
Scoot Henderson - The NBA G Leaguehttps://gleague.nba.com › player › scoot-henderson

 

[blazerfan11]

LeBron and Giannis are 6'8+, not 6'2 (if that). Pretty big difference.

Dwyane Wade was never a great shooter.

 

[HailBlazers]

yeah...Scoot looks like he might be around 6'2....maybe. I know he was not the only one who didn't participate in the measurements of the pre-draft combine, but it does make me wonder if he's worried about the numbers, or at least his agent may be

First time I saw this photo I didn't realize Scoot was sitting down.