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TBpup said:
DDR for Ant doesn't seem like enough of a step forward for the massive gap in age Portland would be giving up. Ant is ascending, DDR descending. Dame might like that, but it would be a bad franchise move.
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Yeah, I can't dispute what you are saying. I considered it as well, but it is also the reason Chicago would consider trading an all-star (last year) for Ant.
 
BigGameDamian said:
Ant for DeRozan
Nurk and #23 for Draymond or Nurkic, Little and #23 for Ayton
Draft Brandon Miller
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We need size at the center if we had DeRosan and Grant as our forwards. So adding Draymond would not be my preference.
Either keep Nurk or gamble on Ayton.
 
I think Toronto knows. If they can get somebody to overpay substantially for Siakam and OG, then they blow it up. Otherwise they keep their core and try to add a couple small pieces.

“So I think you have a fascinating situation happening in Toronto right now. And the reason it is fascinating is in talking to folks that have been in touch with the Raptors recently, the Raptors don’t seem to know which direction they’re going to take,” ESPN reporter and NBA insider Brian Windhorst said in his podcast recently. “Whether or not they are going to focus on re-signing Fred VanVleet, extending Pascal Siakam, potentially making other roster upgrades. Or whether or not they’re going to send Fred VanVleet in a sign-and-trade, maybe investigate moving other players be it OG Anunoby or Pascal Siakam.”
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
I think Toronto knows. If they can get somebody to overpay substantially for Siakam and OG, then they blow it up. Otherwise they keep their core and try to add a couple small pieces.

“So I think you have a fascinating situation happening in Toronto right now. And the reason it is fascinating is in talking to folks that have been in touch with the Raptors recently, the Raptors don’t seem to know which direction they’re going to take,” ESPN reporter and NBA insider Brian Windhorst said in his podcast recently. “Whether or not they are going to focus on re-signing Fred VanVleet, extending Pascal Siakam, potentially making other roster upgrades. Or whether or not they’re going to send Fred VanVleet in a sign-and-trade, maybe investigate moving other players be it OG Anunoby or Pascal Siakam.”
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I don't get why they fired Nurse. I know OG didn't like the consistency of his PT, and would pout. But they won a title . Only Masai Ujiri knows.
 
TBpup said:
DDR for Ant doesn't seem like enough of a step forward for the massive gap in age Portland would be giving up. Ant is ascending, DDR descending. Dame might like that, but it would be a bad franchise move.
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I don't really agree, but then I don't value Ant that much. He's the worst defender the Blazers have had since Nolan Smith and he's overpaid comparet to production and efficiency. I do get your point about the age gap

what I'd shoot for is Ant for Derozan + dismissing Chicago's claim on future Blazer 1st's. Send the Bulls a 2nd or two if they are hesitant. I do wonder why the Bulls would break up LaVine/Derozan only to combine LaVine/Simons. Doesn't make a lot of sense

in fact, combining rumors, and while I don't like the idea of Ayton:

Ant for Derozan; Nurkic + 23 + filler (Little & Keon?) for Ayton; Portland drafts Miller/Scoot/Amen/Asur

Dame
Sharpe
DeRozan
Grant
Ayton

might be the best of both worlds allowing the Blazers to add a 3rd pick's talent to the roaster

I might even revisit the idea of #3 to Orlando for #6 + Franz Wagner
 
wizenheimer said:
I don't really agree, but then I don't value Ant that much. He's the worst defender the Blazers have had since Nolan Smith and he's overpaid comparet to production and efficiency. I do get your point about the age gap

what I'd shoot for is Ant for Derozan + dismissing Chicago's claim on future Blazer 1st's. Send the Bulls a 2nd or two if they are hesitant. I do wonder why the Bulls would break up LaVine/Derozan only to combine LaVine/Simons. Doesn't make a lot of sense

in fact, combining rumors, and while I don't like the idea of Ayton:

Ant for Derozan; Nurkic + 23 + filler (Little & Keon?) for Ayton; Portland drafts Miller/Scoot/Amen/Asur

Dame
Sharpe
DeRozan
Grant
Ayton

might be the best of both worlds allowing the Blazers to add a 3rd pick's talent to the roaster

I might even revisit the idea of #3 to Orlando for #6 + Franz Wagner
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My quick reaction: We're rolling out a worse defensive lineup than last year.

DDR (like Ant) is a below average defender.
Sharpe has a long ways to go on defense, despite having the tools.
Ayton is a worse defender than Nurk IMO.
 
Tince said:
My quick reaction: We're rolling out a worse defensive lineup than last year.

DDR (like Ant) is a below average defender.
Sharpe has a long ways to go on defense, despite having the tools.
Ayton is a worse defender than Nurk IMO.
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I would like to see if Chicago would give up DDR and Caruso for Ant. I’d love to get a defensive point guard to come off the bench.
 
Tince said:
My quick reaction: We're rolling out a worse defensive lineup than last year.

DDR (like Ant) is a below average defender.
Sharpe has a long ways to go on defense, despite having the tools.
Ayton is a worse defender than Nurk IMO.
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can't have everything, and to some extent, I don't agree

Ant isn't just a below average defender...he's terrible; and he's a 5 year veteran. He's not going to improve much on that end of the floor. DDR may be below average, but he's a couple tiers above Ant in defense, and he has the size and length to cover SF's. Ant doesn't

Nurk is a better defender than Ayton in the paint; Ayton is better out on the perimeter. They are about the same as shot-blockers and shot-intimidaters since Nurk is much more floor-bound after all the injuries. Which of course brings up the very real factor that Nurkic can't defend when he's injured. Of course, Ayton seems to get lots of minor injuries when he misses a half-dozen games here and there

And, however many mistakes Sharpe makes on defense from inexperience, he's still better than Ant with all sorts of room for improvement

mainly though I was just looking at a relatively inexpensive way to add the veterans Dame wants while also keeping that 3rd pick, AND, eliminating the dumbass obligation to Chicago for future Blazers first's
 
wizenheimer said:
can't have everything, and to some extent, I don't agree

Ant isn't just a below average defender...he's terrible; and he's a 5 year veteran. He's not going to improve much on that end of the floor. DDR may be below average, but he's a couple tiers above Ant in defense, and he has the size and length to cover SF's. Ant doesn't

Nurk is a better defender than Ayton in the paint; Ayton is better out on the perimeter. They are about the same as shot-blockers and shot-intimidaters since Nurk is much more floor-bound after all the injuries. Which of course brings up the very real factor that Nurkic can't defend when he's injured. Of course, Ayton seems to get lots of minor injuries when he misses a half-dozen games here and there

And, however many mistakes Sharpe makes on defense from inexperience, he's still better than Ant with all sorts of room for improvement

mainly though I was just looking at a relatively inexpensive way to add the veterans Dame wants while also keeping that 3rd pick, AND, eliminating the dumbass obligation to Chicago for future Blazers first's
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The fact that it's even close, means this is a bottom 5 defense, again. Which we all know bottom 5 defenses don't have much success.
 
I don't want DeRozan or Draymond at this point. I think DeMar's best when he is at the 2 and that's where I want Shaedon. I don't want a guy on the team that will sucker punch a teammate knocking him out... for some reason that just doesn't appeal to me, along with all of Draymond's other bullshit. Imagine if Draymond starts getting called for all of the fouls he commits if he leaves the Warriors. We don't need guys that are Dame's age... we can take guys a little younger and a lot younger but we don't want this whole team to be in a decline at the same time. Dame is peaking, I think the other two have peaked.

If Toronto doesn't want to be complete assholes I would want to send them #3, Ant and Nurk for Siakam, #13 and Boucher or Precious... if they want to win every trade or some shit like that they can go fuck themselves.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I would like to see if Chicago would give up DDR and Caruso for Ant. I’d love to get a defensive point guard to come off the bench.
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I like that idea but I sure don't think the Bulls would value Ant that much

Ant + Little + 23 for DDR + Caruso + extinguishing Chicago's claim on Blazer 1st's?
 
Tince said:
The fact that it's even close, means this is a bottom 5 defense, again. Which we all know bottom 5 defenses don't have much success.
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I don't know that would be the case. Maybe. But it's a suggestion of a beginning of a re-tool based upon what's probably realistic, rather than what's fantasy. Lots of options. Bring DDR off the bench. Do the 3 for 6 + Franz Wagner and use 6 to draft Asur Thompson (or Amen Thompson; or Jarace Walker). Send Ant, Little & 23 for DDR and Caruso. Move Nurk + 3 for 6 + Carter Jr. + future 1st.

I just don't think the option paths are as narrow as the naysayers around here have been insisting
 
Pinwheel1 said:
We need size at the center if we had DeRosan and Grant as our forwards. So adding Draymond would not be my preference.
Either keep Nurk or gamble on Ayton.
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I'm not big on DeRozan or Draymond.

I could be sold on some kind of three-way trade involving Ant and DeRozan that brought the Blazers someone else, though.

Also, not sure if Ayton is the way to go there. I think it was Bones who made the argument, and I thought the reasoning was very sound, from an analytics standpoint, Ayton isn't enough of an upgrade over Nurk to justify the large difference in salary. I'm thinking moving Nurk would be good for the Blazers, but I'm not sure Ayton's what I want coming back.
 
PCmor7 said:
I'm not big on DeRozan or Draymond.

I could be sold on some kind of three-way trade involving Ant and DeRozan that brought the Blazers someone else, though.

Also, not sure if Ayton is the way to go there. I think it was Bones who made the argument, and I thought the reasoning was very sound, from an analytics standpoint, Ayton isn't enough of an upgrade over Nurk to justify the large difference in salary. I'm thinking moving Nurk would be good for the Blazers, but I'm not sure Ayton's what I want coming back.
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I tend to agree with that, but at least it's beginning to look like options like Ayton and DDR are realistically available when options like Bridges aren't, or will be way too expensive

personally I think C is the least important position unless you have a Jokic, Embiid, or Adebayo. If you don't have an elite talent like one of those guys you're better off with C by committee drawn from the bargain bin.

besides that, with the Vulcans in charge, Ayton at 33M/year doesn't seem realistic
 
wizenheimer said:
I tend to agree with that, but at least it's beginning to look like options like Ayton and DDR are realistically available when options like Bridges aren't, or will be way too expensive

personally I think C is the least important position unless you have a Jokic, Embiid, or Adebayo. If you don't have an elite talent like one of those guys you're better off with C by committee drawn from the bargain bin.

besides that, with the Vulcans in charge, Ayton at 33M/year doesn't seem realistic
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Absolutely. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Explore all avenues.
 
PCmor7 said:
Absolutely. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Explore all avenues.
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yep...just the rumors from this morning have expanded options for Portland. How realistic some are is unknown. But what's nearly certain is between now and the draft, even more options will become visible. And after the draft and heading into the off-season, more options again

for instance, from the rumor mill this morning combined with previous rumors:

Ant+Little+23 for DDR+Caruso+obligated 1st's dismissed....#3 for #6+Franz Wagner....Draft Asur Thompson (or Amen/Walker/Hendricks)

Dame
Sharpe
Grant
Wagner
Nurkic

with Caruso-DDR-Thompson off bench (or other combos) plus Thybulle-Eubanks-Watford-Mays-Knox

and the possibility of Nurkic+future 1st fetching something better

not sure how realistic that all is but is sure seems more realistic than all of the fantasy trades proposed here over the last month or two

now, the naysayers will chime in with "that's not a contender"...and it may not be. But it doesn't have to be finished product. And frankly, if you would have listed Miami's current roster last summer, everybody would have been saying "that's not a contender"
 
wizenheimer said:
now, the naysayers will chime in with "that's not a contender"...and it may not be. But it doesn't have to be finished product. And frankly, if you would have listed Miami's current roster last summer, everybody would have been saying "that's not a contender"
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Agree and I think the key here is trying to get better next year without giving away the future. So either keep #3 and SS for the future or trade #3 for someone who can help next year........ but is still young enough where they (and SS) will also contribute to the future.
 
wizenheimer said:
I don't know that would be the case. Maybe. But it's a suggestion of a beginning of a re-tool based upon what's probably realistic, rather than what's fantasy. Lots of options. Bring DDR off the bench. Do the 3 for 6 + Franz Wagner and use 6 to draft Asur Thompson (or Amen Thompson; or Jarace Walker). Send Ant, Little & 23 for DDR and Caruso. Move Nurk + 3 for 6 + Carter Jr. + future 1st.

I just don't think the option paths are as narrow as the naysayers around here have been insisting
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I agree with you there is more than one path.

Though I'm likely to push back on options that has us decreasing out defensive personnel, bringing a $30m/yr guard off the bench, and rely on multiple players under the age of 21 to win.
 
Tince said:
I agree with you there is more than one path.

Though I'm likely to push back on options that has us decreasing out defensive personnel, bringing a $30m/yr guard off the bench, and rely on multiple players under the age of 21 to win.
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Also known as a "soft reset" lol
 
wizenheimer said:
now, the naysayers will chime in with "that's not a contender"...and it may not be. But it doesn't have to be finished product. And frankly, if you would have listed Miami's current roster last summer, everybody would have been saying "that's not a contender"
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Totally. Hoping to build a team that's an 8 seed and one of the most uniquely successful teams in NBA history is definitely a way to build a team.

Stupid naysayers being all negative in the face of such glorious possibilities.
 
Tince said:
I agree with you there is more than one path.

Though I'm likely to push back on options that has us decreasing out defensive personnel, bringing a $30m/yr guard off the bench, and rely on multiple players under the age of 21 to win.
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DeRozan would not be coming off the bench. He would start at SF. He played mostly PF last year (which surprised me ) but I think at 6'6" and 220 lbs he is better suited at SF. We could back him up with either Miller or Thybulle who are a little longer.
 
Ed O said:
Totally. Hoping to build a team that's an 8 seed and one of the most uniquely successful teams in NBA history is definitely a way to build a team.

Stupid naysayers being all negative in the face of such glorious possibilities.
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isn't it time for another petition?
 
Ed O said:
Totally. Hoping to build a team that's an 8 seed and one of the most uniquely successful teams in NBA history is definitely a way to build a team.

Stupid naysayers being all negative in the face of such glorious possibilities.
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There's negative and then there's actually taking time out of your day to create a petition to tell Damian Lillard, the best player this franchise has ever seen, to go kick rocks.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
DeRozan would not be coming off the bench. He would start at SF. He played mostly PF last year (which surprised me ) but I think at 6'6" and 220 lbs he is better suited at SF. We could back him up with either Miller or Thybulle who are a little longer.
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I agree... the post I responded to suggested "Bring DDR off the bench", which was the cause for my response.

The problem started DDR, is the defensive unit is probably worse, but certainly no better, than last year.
 
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