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wizenheimer said:
yep...just the rumors from this morning have expanded options for Portland. How realistic some are is unknown. But what's nearly certain is between now and the draft, even more options will become visible. And after the draft and heading into the off-season, more options again

for instance, from the rumor mill this morning combined with previous rumors:

Ant+Little+23 for DDR+Caruso+obligated 1st's dismissed....#3 for #6+Franz Wagner....Draft Asur Thompson (or Amen/Walker/Hendricks)

Dame
Sharpe
Grant
Wagner
Nurkic

with Caruso-DDR-Thompson off bench (or other combos) plus Thybulle-Eubanks-Watford-Mays-Knox

and the possibility of Nurkic+future 1st fetching something better

not sure how realistic that all is but is sure seems more realistic than all of the fantasy trades proposed here over the last month or two

now, the naysayers will chime in with "that's not a contender"...and it may not be. But it doesn't have to be finished product. And frankly, if you would have listed Miami's current roster last summer, everybody would have been saying "that's not a contender"
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I'd have the lineup at Nurk, Wagner, Grant, DeRozan, Dame With Sharpe being the 6th man, and maybe a potential 6th Man of Year. I like that roster. That starting five is potentially lethal.
 
Man! The more i look at that lineup , the more i really like it . Wagner is coming into his own, and his future is super bright. DeRozan's the best mid range guy in the league, and gets to the FT line a ton. DAMN let's go. Of course Orlando would have to want Scoot, or Miller bad. But none of the guards they've drafted, or traded for , are consistent.
 
Samuel said:
I keep seeing Wagner’s name floated and I don’t get it. Why would Orlando trade him?
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they might not; probably not

but there is the possibility they really want somebody who will be there at 3 that won't be there at 6. For instance, if Charlotte takes Scoot at 3 and Orlando is in love with Miller, who happens to play the same position as Wagner, they might be willing to make that deal

and for the Blazers, they might get Wagner + one of the Thompson twins for #3. Could be a win-win...maybe
 
Wagner is so much fun. I get the sense that they see their core as Wagner, Paolo, Fultz, and whomever they look to acquire this summer via trade or draft.
 
tykendo said:
I'd have the lineup at Nurk, Wagner, Grant, DeRozan, Dame With Sharpe being the 6th man, and maybe a potential 6th Man of Year. I like that roster. That starting five is potentially lethal.
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I thought that was weird to have Sharpe over Derozan. . and I'm a Sharpe fan!
 
wizenheimer said:
they might not; probably not

but there is the possibility they really want somebody who will be there at 3 that won't be there at 6. For instance, if Charlotte takes Scoot at 3 and Orlando is in love with Miller, who happens to play the same position as Wagner, they might be willing to make that deal

and for the Blazers, they might get Wagner + one of the Thompson twins for #3. Could be a win-win...maybe
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Or let's say Miller is off the board....would Orlando prefer to have Scoot and use #6 to replace Wagner? And would Portland prefer to have the 21-year-old Wagner over Scoot? I think that is possible but if I am Orlando I am not throwing in #6. (maybe #11)

But let's say the best we can get is a straight trade .....#3 for Wagner and nothing else....that is a good deal for Orlando. Is it for Portland? That is a tough call because we don't know how good Scoot or Franz will turn out. But Franz is a little more proven and gives us size at SF.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
But let's say the best we can get is a straight trade .....#3 for Wagner and nothing else....that is a good deal for Orlando. Is it for Portland? That is a tough call because we don't know how good Scoot or Franz will turn out. But Franz is a little more proven and gives us size at SF.
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I don't think so...too much generic value in a 3rd pick, especially if it's a 3 person draft like many are saying. Maybe the 6 is asking too much, but the 11 wouldn't be in my view
 
wizenheimer said:
I don't think so...too much generic value in a 3rd pick, especially if it's a 3 person draft like many are saying. Maybe the 6 is asking too much, but the 11 wouldn't be in my view
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So you are saying you walk away from the deal because #3 in 2023 has much more value than #8 in the 2021 draft.
I agree but what if no one gives us a better deal? Are you sold on Scoot?
 
Pinwheel1 said:
So you are saying you walk away from the deal because #3 in 2023 has much more value than #8 in the 2021 draft.
I agree but what if no one gives us a better deal? Are you sold on Scoot?
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I haven't been sold on any draft prospect that isn't clear #1. I think last one was Brandon Roy, but I do watch the Pac-12. I'm not that good at evaluating prospects I haven't seen on NBA floors against NBA competition. Wagner has looked pretty good...on a bad team. I'm certainly not ready to say he's worth the 3rd pick though
 
I saw the thread on another board that Washington might think about a rebuild (based on an Athletic article)- so Ill throw this out for discussion:


Washington Trades:
KP + Wright + #8

Portland trades:
#3 (Scoot) + #23 + Simons + Knox + Johnson

Wiz begin the rebuild with a foundational player.
They convince KP to opt in & they get value for his contract (instead if leaving via FA).
They also get Simons to pair with them (or flip Simons to Orlando for cap space +#11).
Alternatively, Simons can be the replacement for Beal if its a full tear down.
#23 & Johnson provide youth and potential to the roster.
Knox is just salary filler.

Blazers get KP to opt in & extended (in 6 months). They acquire a great player at a reasonable cost- without having to win in FA.
Wright slips into the GPII TPE, so Portland gets a reasonable backup PG.
Blazers stay in the lotto, and hopes to find the diamond in the rough at 8.


Since Washington is rebuilding in this scenario, I will not worry about their depth chart. Portland would look like this:

PG: Dame, Wright
SG: Sharpe, Thybulle
SF: Grant, (#8 pick?)
PF: KP, Watford
C: Nurk, (MLE signing)


Thoughts?
 
Ed O said:
Totally. Hoping to build a team that's an 8 seed and one of the most uniquely successful teams in NBA history is definitely a way to build a team.

Stupid naysayers being all negative in the face of such glorious possibilities.
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I thought the "Petition Guy" got voted off the island. If not, where did that $200 I venmoed @SlyPokerDog go?

Miami isn't alone. Just this playoffs, the Lakers especially and GS to a lesser extent both did it. There's parity in the league right now and Dame is one of the few guys that can harvest energy from outer space and go otherworldly. This parity window likely won't last. I, for one, would like to see what Dame can do with this opportunity.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
I saw the thread on another board that Washington might think about a rebuild (based on an Athletic article)- so Ill throw this out for discussion:


Washington Trades:
KP + Wright + #8

Portland trades:
#3 (Scoot) + #23 + Simons + Knox + Johnson

Wiz begin the rebuild with a foundational player.
They convince KP to opt in & they get value for his contract (instead if leaving via FA).
They also get Simons to pair with them (or flip Simons to Orlando for cap space +#11).
Alternatively, Simons can be the replacement for Beal if its a full tear down.
#23 & Johnson provide youth and potential to the roster.
Knox is just salary filler.

Blazers get KP to opt in & extended (in 6 months). They acquire a great player at a reasonable cost- without having to win in FA.
Wright slips into the GPII TPE, so Portland gets a reasonable backup PG.
Blazers stay in the lotto, and hopes to find the diamond in the rough at 8.


Since Washington is rebuilding in this scenario, I will not worry about their depth chart. Portland would look like this:

PG: Dame, Wright
SG: Sharpe, Thybulle
SF: Grant, (#8 pick?)
PF: KP, Watford
C: Nurk, (MLE signing)


Thoughts?
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I’m not big on KP and #3 to #8 is too big of a jump.
 
Right now, what I want most would be Nas + #3 and #23 for Duren + #5. Duren would be the C of the future, and #5 gets us the best player outside the top 4. But there’s still a shot Amen will slip to #5, at which we would pick him.

Dame/Ant/Amen/Mays
Ant/Sharpe/Thybulle/Mays
____/Amen/Thybulle
Grant/Watford/Walker
Nurk/Duren/Watford

We would still have a TPE and the MLE to add pieces to the roster like a starting wing and a third big.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
I saw the thread on another board that Washington might think about a rebuild (based on an Athletic article)- so Ill throw this out for discussion:


Washington Trades:
KP + Wright + #8

Portland trades:
#3 (Scoot) + #23 + Simons + Knox + Johnson

Wiz begin the rebuild with a foundational player.
They convince KP to opt in & they get value for his contract (instead if leaving via FA).
They also get Simons to pair with them (or flip Simons to Orlando for cap space +#11).
Alternatively, Simons can be the replacement for Beal if its a full tear down.
#23 & Johnson provide youth and potential to the roster.
Knox is just salary filler.

Blazers get KP to opt in & extended (in 6 months). They acquire a great player at a reasonable cost- without having to win in FA.
Wright slips into the GPII TPE, so Portland gets a reasonable backup PG.
Blazers stay in the lotto, and hopes to find the diamond in the rough at 8.


Since Washington is rebuilding in this scenario, I will not worry about their depth chart. Portland would look like this:

PG: Dame, Wright
SG: Sharpe, Thybulle
SF: Grant, (#8 pick?)
PF: KP, Watford
C: Nurk, (MLE signing)


Thoughts?
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Thoughts? First thought: Why does every trade rumor on the internet have Portland bending over and saying thank you for being violated?

Porzingis has done nothing to improve his team’s success his last couple of stops. For this, we’re supposed to give them Ant, #3 and 23 for #8? Surprised they didn’t ask for Sharpe as filler.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
I saw the thread on another board that Washington might think about a rebuild (based on an Athletic article)- so Ill throw this out for discussion:


Washington Trades:
KP + Wright + #8

Portland trades:
#3 (Scoot) + #23 + Simons + Knox + Johnson

Wiz begin the rebuild with a foundational player.
They convince KP to opt in & they get value for his contract (instead if leaving via FA).
They also get Simons to pair with them (or flip Simons to Orlando for cap space +#11).
Alternatively, Simons can be the replacement for Beal if its a full tear down.
#23 & Johnson provide youth and potential to the roster.
Knox is just salary filler.

Blazers get KP to opt in & extended (in 6 months). They acquire a great player at a reasonable cost- without having to win in FA.
Wright slips into the GPII TPE, so Portland gets a reasonable backup PG.
Blazers stay in the lotto, and hopes to find the diamond in the rough at 8.


Since Washington is rebuilding in this scenario, I will not worry about their depth chart. Portland would look like this:

PG: Dame, Wright
SG: Sharpe, Thybulle
SF: Grant, (#8 pick?)
PF: KP, Watford
C: Nurk, (MLE signing)


Thoughts?
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Sorry, I'm out using our 3 for KP
 
BankTeller said:
Right now, what I want most would be Nas + #3 and #23 for Duren + #5. Duren would be the C of the future, and #5 gets us the best player outside the top 4. But there’s still a shot Amen will slip to #5, at which we would pick him.

Dame/Ant/Amen/Mays
Ant/Sharpe/Thybulle/Mays
____/Amen/Thybulle
Grant/Watford/Walker
Nurk/Duren/Watford

We would still have a TPE and the MLE to add pieces to the roster like a starting wing and a third big.
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Duren hasn't done enough to be worth the gulf that bridges 3 to 5. Truthfully, you might find someone at 23 that will be on a par with Duren pretty quickly, but few in the know think that anyone at 5 is close to the top 3 right now.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Thoughts?
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Not so hotso. The Zinger is coming off a great season, but he's been so injury prone. At the #8 we'd likely be selecting from which ever guy in the Hendricks, Black, Walker tier slipped down. I love Walker but doubt he goes past Detroit at 5 though some have him going through. None the less, they'd still land a solid rotation piece. I'd be more interested in #3 for #8 and a future 1st which could be used in a variety of ways.

The Wiz are a team in need of a PG though, so they are a team that might be looking to move up for Scoot

STOMP
 
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PCmor7 said:
Duren hasn't done enough to be worth the gulf that bridges 3 to 5. Truthfully, you might find someone at 23 that will be on a par with Duren pretty quickly, but few in the know think that anyone at 5 is close to the top 3 right now.
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Beg to differ. The youngest player in the league impressed me with his potential plenty last season. Not sure why Detroit is coveting #3 (presumably Scoot) over standing pat at #5 though, their back court is pretty much set from the last two drafts.

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
Beg to differ. The youngest player in the league impressed me with his potential plenty last season. Not sure why Detroit is coveting #3 (presumably Scoot) over standing pat at #5 though, their back court is pretty much set from the last two drafts.

STOMP
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He had a very good rookie year. However, that still isn't enough to justify that jump in this draft. You are, however, entitled to your opinion, but I strongly doubt any GM in Portland's position would make that move; you're essentially trading away a potential franchise-changing talent for two players you hope will be solid rotation guys.
 
HoopsFanAZ said:
Nurk + Nas + 3 + 23 = Wendell Carter + Franz Wagner +6 + 11
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#6 Walker/Amen/Ausar
#11 Hendricks/Wallace/Lively/Hawkins
I wouldn't be real mad if they took Hendricks at 6. I think he has a very high ceiling, along with a low floor.
Dame-Sharpe-Grant-Wagner-Carter
Wallace-Thybulle-Walker-Watford-Eubanks
Mays-Keon-Williams-Walker-Badji
Without consideration for what the return is for trading Ant.
 
I think Wagner is gettable because of redundancy with Banchero and especially gettable if Miller is there when Portland goes on the clock at #3.
I wouldn't be against replacing Nas with Ant...or overpaying by sending both out.
 
I'm not overly high on Ant either because of his lack of defense, but I am NOT trading him for soon to be 34 year old DDR. Put Ant in a place he can excel, and I'd like to see what his value is. Unfortunately, that is not as a 6'4" shooting guard. From January, until he sat out, last year, he average 27 points on .486 from the field and .423 from '3' with 6.4 assist in 27 games. That is fairly elite level production from a 22 year old last year when he finally got to play PG. Not sure that is his natural position, but I'm not trading that production when he finally got a chance at PG vs SG for a 34 year old DDR.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Maybe Brown won’t be available. Miami seems intent on choking away a 3-0 lead.
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a whole lot of chatter about Butler being an all-time great playoff performer earlier this month. He really need to step up tonight or Boston will be the first team to overcome a 3-0 deficit

Adebayo has to show up too
 
PCmor7 said:
He had a very good rookie year. However, that still isn't enough to justify that jump in this draft. You are, however, entitled to your opinion, but I strongly doubt any GM in Portland's position would make that move; you're essentially trading away a potential franchise-changing talent for two players you hope will be solid rotation guys.
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You and I clearly see the talent in this draft differently, which is fine, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. My guess is it will unfold differently on draft day then it's being scripted right now. With as young as most of the top prospects are, who's to know which guard currently lacking a jumper will develop one and who won't ect... but in the end I wont be surprised if there are several all star level talents drafted after 3.

STOMP
 
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wizenheimer said:
a whole lot of chatter about Butler being an all-time great playoff performer earlier this month. He really need to step up tonight or Boston will be the first team to overcome a 3-0 deficit

Adebayo has to show up too
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The two combined were 9 for 37. In-ex-cus-a-ble
 
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