We got the #3 pick. Discuss the possibilities. (3 Viewers)

Welcome to our community

Be a part of something great, join today!

What are you hoping for with this pick?


  • Total voters
    98

Users who are viewing this thread

Marang and Co were suggesting that 3/Ant/Nurk for Siakam/OG is a viable possibility. Not quite sure how I feel about that.
ive said this countless times, only one trade doesnt make us contenders (unless its a fucking superstar), it has to be two players (at least all-star level player and one really good player)

siakam & og anunoby fit that description, im not saying id do it, but id certainly think seriously about it

im just hoping we dont trade 3rd pick for one player (be it brown, siakam, ingram etc), that would be really, really bad
 
Apparently Jarace Walker is gonna go to Detroit and Cam Whitmores stock is dropping
 
I’d do that. Probably cause I’m not a huge Ant fan and dislike Nurk though. Will suck if 3 becomes a superstar but it’s big balls time I guess.

I'd only do that if we have a promise from Siakam that he's resigning with us.. Still too much to give up for a one year rental of Siakam.
 
sounds like a ton of posturing

also Woj doesn’t say we’re ready to take who is leftover between scoot and Miller. He specifically says we’re ready to take scoot or move ahead with scoot. No mention of Miller
It is nothing but posturing and I bet every GM in the league sees through it. What would happen if Cronin went to Dame on draft day after selecting at number 23 and told Dame that the deals weren't good enough, people don't value Ant enough, people have a negative value on Nurk and so we're going to have to go into next season with what we have, re-sign Jerami and Matisse and hope to get a difference maker with the TPMLE. Dame would fucking be pissed and I bet he would ask out. If we make no changes but picking up two rookies and a vet with the TPMLE? Dame will want out.

So all of this shit is well and good and I'm not saying there isn't a world where we keep who we pick at 3 and Dame, I'm just saying there better be a fucking trade around other assets we currently have that gets Dame some upgraded immediate help because if it's last season's roster with just the three additions (pick 3, 23 and TPMLE) I think Dame will be done with this shit.

I don't think it's very likely that Cronin puts Dame in that situation for the fourth time (first trade deadline, last off season, last trade deadline and now). I don't really care what the spin is right now I'm still predicting that pick 3 will be traded and we will have an all star or a couple guys that Dame thinks have all star potential on the roster by the end of the evening on Thursday that we don't have right now.
 
Marang and Co were suggesting that 3/Ant/Nurk for Siakam/OG is a viable possibility. Not quite sure how I feel about that.
Do it if we can get assurance to keep both beyond next summer. But Marang is full of shit so take with a grain of salt.
 
Dame is not stupid. He understands these things. He will be OK with us drafting a player at 3 if the right offer isn't there.
 
So I agree that top talent wins, but part of my view is that size is part of talent.

Kobe agreed with this when he said "We're lucky Allen Iverson isn't (x amount) taller".
First and foremost, Kobe would be among the very last players I'd personally be moved by any supposed quote of theirs. Regardless of occupation, the guy defined smug self centered dickhead, which is why he had so many issues getting quality guys to LA to join him. Does being unbearable to be around factor into your views on talent?

Much more then being taller, what the league was lucky about with Iverson was that he couldn't shoot. If he could have, he would have won multiple championships as he had insane quickness and could get good looks vs anyone at will... as good as anyone ever. It wasn't his size that prevented him from having touch on his shot it was a lack of talent in that regard. Maybe he had too many fast twitch muscles to be a good shooter and not enough of those nice slow predictable Kyle Korver muscles? Maybe it was something else (not enough practice?) but being taller certainly wouldn't have helped a lack of touch/feel. As players move up in size, outstanding athleticism stands out more just because of math reality being that there are less big people then averaged sized people, but can't shoot straight plagues all sizes. If Iverson had been like 8" taller (6'7) with the same quickness and handles to overpower this league of giants and take it to the hoop every time like LBJ, then yeah maybe he would have been even better.

I believe that size matters in hoops. What matters more is athleticism relative to guys the same size. But what matters even more is greatness. Greatness often isn't defined by sheer size or outstanding run/jump ability.... "Greatness just is" Dusty Baker. I'd hold out Jokic and Curry as prime examples of basketball savants.

STOMP
 
Dame is not stupid. He understands these things. He will be OK with us drafting a player at 3 if the right offer isn't there.
What if the right offer isn't there for Ant or Nurk or pick 23 or future picks? Do you think Dame will just be cool with running it back plus two rookies? Do you think he was just being stupid when he said what he most recently said to the press?
 
What if the right offer isn't there for Ant or Nurk or pick 23 or future picks? Do you think Dame will just be cool with running it back plus two rookies? Do you think he was just being stupid when he said what he most recently said to the press?

The Blazers will see what is out there. They will show Lillard...hey Dame this what we can get and this what we can get it for. They will be able to make a real time decision with Dame in the loop. He may not be happy if what's out there isn't enough to part with the pick, but he will see the Blazers tried. He understands value and what is worth what. If the Blazers can make the right deal they will.
 
The Blazers will see what is out there. They will show Lillard...hey Dame this what we can get and this what we can get it for. They will be able to make a real time decision with Dame in the loop. He not be happy if what's out there isn't enough to part with the pick, but he will see the Blazers tried. He understands value and what is worth what. If the Blazers can make the right deal they will.
I get all of that but if the Blazers can't make any deal, didn't it sound like the last couple of times we heard Dame's voice that he was saying that if nothing happens and I didn't hear him build in the excuse "unless the right deal isn't there" he said they'd have to have basically a conversation where he demanded a trade? Are we all just saying that Dame was just blowing smoke and will totally back off of that because Joe isn't able to negotiate good enough deals and Joe can show Dame proof that he couldn't negotiate good enough deals?
 
I get all of that but if the Blazers can't make any deal, didn't it sound like the last couple of times we heard Dame's voice that he was saying that if nothing happens and I didn't hear him build in the excuse "unless the right deal isn't there" he said they'd have to have basically a conversation where he demanded a trade? Are we all just saying that Dame was just blowing smoke and will totally back off of that because Joe isn't able to negotiate good enough deals and Joe can show Dame proof that he couldn't negotiate good enough deals?

We'll see.
 
I wonder if we're prepared to just trade 3 + Simons for Siakam or something. Sounds like they're trying to extract all the value out of the 3rd pick with all the talks of multiple players coming back. This is what we should be doing, but if nothing presents itself I wonder if they will end up settling.
 
I wonder if we're prepared to just trade 3 + Simons for Siakam or something. Sounds like they're trying to extract all the value out of the 3rd pick with all the talks of multiple players coming back. This is what we should be doing, but if nothing presents itself I wonder if they will end up settling.
It's a valid thing to wonder about. Siakam would be scary because he could just walk after one season and then you spent the third pick in a three player draft on a rental. Bridges would be a big time overpay if it were basically pick 3 for him at least Siakam has all nba pedigree and fills the rebounding and facilitating needs that we are lacking. A lot of moving parts and a lot of possibilities, should be an interesting week.
 
sounds like a ton of posturing

also Woj doesn’t say we’re ready to take who is leftover between scoot and Miller. He specifically says we’re ready to take scoot or move ahead with scoot. No mention of Miller

WUT?? WUT??

That's just false. You misheard. You need to listen again from the beginning. Woj specifically said Portland would take whoever Charlotte didn't. That was his actual lead

and I think you are also factually misinterpreting his comments about Scoot. Woj did not say Portland favored Scoot; didn't even imply it. What he said was Portland was prepared to draft Scoot "if indeed Brandon Miller stayed in the 2 slot". That was NOT Woj saying Portland preferred Scoot. If anything it implied the Blazers might prefer Miller....which make a lot of sense if the Blazers have evaluated them as equal talents. But Woj is obviously assuming Charlotte takes Miller; that's clear throughout that video

as to your assessment of it being a "ton of posturing" ...well sure, it very well could be. But often a posture a team has is their actual position. That simply could be Portland doing everything they could to try and generate a no-brainer offer for #3. And if they don't get that offer, they may very well be quite happy keeping 3

now Woj did start by saying "if the Blazers keep that pick at 3"; then later talked about Portland having discussions about moving the pick...which is no secret

and then he said it would "take a tremendous package" to convince the Blazers to trade the pick "it's going to have to be a deal that blows them away" was his closing
 
I don't think people are appreciating the personal considerations for both Joe and Dame enough right now...

Joe won't want to be the guy who trades Scoot Henderson for a rental or a massive ripoff deal, nor will he want to be the guy who's responsible for Dame dipping OR for getting peanuts for the franchise's greatest player.

On the flipside Dame clearly doesn't want to be the one to force his way out of this and I believe him when he says his first choice is to stay...

ALL of these components suggest that -- even if we don't make a big trade on Thursday -- even if things progress towards trading Dame -- they won't happen instantaneously. Like it or not, Dame will play the good soldier while Joe does what he can in free agency. We can still swing trades with Nurk/Ant and future picks. If after ALL of that, we don't meet what Dame is hoping for then, maybe, we begin to shop Dame. It will be sad, but my point is that Thursday is not a binary thing... It's not necessarily hell or salvation...

Is this kicking the can down the road? I guess. Is it calling Dame's bluff? Eh? Is this the most reasonable way to approach the situation from all sides on the Blazers' front? Seems to me the answer is yes.
 
Are 13 and multiple future 1s also coming with them?

Them taking Nurk and his contract when they don't want or need him would probably prevent getting anything extra.
I would not put this at the top of my list, but it is realistic if Scoot is gone. But then I love Siakam's game

Maybe we add 23 for their 13
 
What if the right offer isn't there for Ant or Nurk or pick 23 or future picks? Do you think Dame will just be cool with running it back plus two rookies? Do you think he was just being stupid when he said what he most recently said to the press?

I'm mostly pertaining to pick 3. I find it hard to believe that if we draft a player at 3 that there will be no trades Cronin can work with. Dame is not gunna be mad if Cronin declines a deal that isn't right for us.
 
Them taking Nurk and his contract when they don't want or need him would probably prevent getting anything extra.
I would not put this at the top of my list, but it is realistic if Scoot is gone. But then I love Siakam's game

Maybe we add 23 for their 13

Then you hang up the fucking phone. Sorry but this is moving the franchise in the wrong direction in terms of roster value.

Nurk certainly ain't Embiid, but he's not a negative asset...
 
Then you hang up the fucking phone. Sorry but this is moving the franchise in the wrong direction in terms of roster value.

Nurk certainly ain't Embiid, but he's not a negative asset...

We add an all-NBA player and we move the franchise in the wrong direction? That would be true if we don't resign him, but not otherwise. And Nurk's contract is kind of a negative asset. How many teams would give us value for him in a straight trade? He is a decent player but his contract is not.
 
I'm mostly pertaining to pick 3. I find it hard to believe that if we draft a player at 3 that there will be no trades Cronin can work with. Dame is not gunna be mad if Cronin declines a deal that isn't right for us.
Who is "us", though?

"Us" for Dame is in the next two or three years. He doesn't care if Scoot becomes a hall of famer or not. He wants to compete now. And who can blame him?

Cronin presumably considers "us" for the longer term. 2023-24 matters, and Dame as a Blazer matters, but if he's doing his job as GM, he knows that the Blazers don't turn into a pumpkin after Dame leaves and/or gets old.

Defining who "us" is definitely is a point of contention on this board, and a source of constant strife, as some posters have said they're old and want to try to win now even if it leaves us in a bad spot down the road, some have said "us" is the Blazers with Dame for as long as possible independent of team success, and others have said that we should blow it all up and aim for four or fives years from now to compete. With lots of people all over in between that.

So I'm not trying to be pedantic, but I think that Dame could justifiably react negative if the team won't mortgage the future to help him win, now, as a Blazer. I don't care one way or the other, personally, and he might just be rattling his saber while knowing he'll cash his checks one way or the other.
 
We add an all-NBA player and we move the franchise in the wrong direction? That would be true if we don't resign him, but not otherwise. And Nurk's contract is kind of a negative asset. How many teams would give us value for him in a straight trade? He is a decent player but his contract is not.

If Siakam is our only significant add to the roster, and we're giving up a premium, cheap, young asset, then yes, it's moving us in the wrong direction. A Dame/Siakam team without another significant add will only elevate us to decent, and that's the worst thing you can be in the league.

Nurk's contract is absolutely not a negative asset and many industry folks have said as much, so miss me with that bit.

An offseason where we turn Ant/Nurk/and the 3rd overall pick in a great draft into one asset is an abject failure.
 
Nurk certainly ain't Embiid, but he's not a negative asset...

he may not even be Zubac or Poeltl

if he's not a negative asset at 18M/year with his injury history, efficiency, and inconsistency, he's sure not positive value. Personally, I think he only has positive value as filler in a bigger trade. Portland is just so size-deficient they can't sell him cheaply
 
he may not even be Zubac or Poeltl

if he's not a negative asset at 18M/year with his injury history, efficiency, and inconsistency, he's sure not positive value. Personally, I think he only has positive value as filler in a bigger trade. Portland is just so size-deficient they can't sell him cheaply

We'd have to attach future 1s to him to get a player of quality back, I'm not saying we wouldn't, but he's not the type of asset that other teams get to say "we're not giving you X because we're absorbing Nurk's contract" either.

If we're really trading to build around Dame, I don't see any worthwhile path to do so, other than to package Ant + 3 in one move and Nurk + future 1s in another... unless it IS Embiid (or Giannis), there's not 1 player who can come in and change this franchise's immediate trajectory...
 
Back
Top