We got the #3 pick. Discuss the possibilities. (3 Viewers)

[GoBlazersGo]

Would people on here get excited for this and drafting a big that can play 4 or 5 with pick 23 maybe GG Jackson?
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Forget Patty Mills, I would want DFS or Cam Johnson instead.

 

[wizenheimer]

We'd have to attach future 1s to him to get a player of quality back, I'm not saying we wouldn't, but he's not the type of asset that other teams get to say "we're not giving you X because we're absorbing Nurk's contract" either.

If we're really trading to build around Dame, I don't see any worthwhile path to do so, other than to package Ant + 3 in one move and Nurk + future 1s in another... unless it IS Embiid (or Giannis), there's not 1 player who can come in and change this franchise's immediate trajectory...

1) Draft Miller/Scoot at 3

2) trade Ant + 23 for DeRozan and all Portland's picks back

3) keep powder dry and wait for opportunities

and it's one of my least favorite options but Nurk + Little + Keon for Ayton. Vulcans would probably veto it though

 

[Gronk_Brady]

1) Draft Miller/Scoot at 3

2) trade Ant + 23 for DeRozan and all Portland's picks back

3) keep powder dry and wait for opportunities

I like this

 

[blazerkor]

I'm mostly pertaining to pick 3. I find it hard to believe that if we draft a player at 3 that there will be no trades Cronin can work with. Dame is not gunna be mad if Cronin declines a deal that isn't right for us.

I don't see Dame getting mad but at some point doesn't he have to look Joe in the eyes and ask if Joe is ever going to be able to pull off the big move that will get this team in position to contend. Joe can show Dame his texts and that he only had bad moves on the table but if you were Dame wouldn't that just make you wonder why Joe couldn't get good moves on the table. It's the fucking third pick in a three player draft... Dame has stated in a way that cannot be mistaken that he wants win now moves. I don't think it will make Dame mad I think it will make Dame sad and make him say, "Find the best place for me that gets the Blazers the best return."

I don't think that Miller gets us closer to contending next year and probably not the year after. For me I want Dame to stay but if we're going with Miller we should probably be smart and tell Dame that we'll find him a good place because we're obviously building for like four years from now and there's no guarantee that Dame will still be at his best by then. Fuck, I just want Joe to be able to trade the third fucking pick in a draft that everyone agrees has three guys that are likely all stars, package that fucking pick with Ant and whatever and get us a much better squad around Dame... most likely with a second all star and a better bench.

My wheels are spinning a little and the truth is Joe might come through for Dame and for all of us but all we've seen him do to this point is punt by not making moves or making moves that seriously look like a team that's rebuilding and not worrying about contending anytime soon.

 

[blazerkor]

1) Draft Miller/Scoot at 3

2) trade Ant + 23 for DeRozan and all Portland's picks back

3) keep powder dry and wait for opportunities

and it's one of my least favorite options but Nurk + Little + Keon for Ayton. Vulcans would probably veto it though

So we'd have Dame, Shae, DDR, Jerami, Ayton, Scoot/Miller, Matisse and the TPMLE??? I think that might be enough for Dame.

 

[blazerkor]

Forget Patty Mills, I would want DFS or Cam Johnson instead.

I don't think we can get Cam Johnson because his sign and trade would be too expensive to make salaries match and it would hard cap us which I don't think we want when we're trying to fill our bench while re-signing Jerami and Matisse... also a S&T means pushing all of this shit out a couple of weeks. DFS though... sure why not?

 

[wizenheimer]

So we'd have Dame, Shae, DDR, Jerami, Ayton, Scoot/Miller, Matisse and the TPMLE??? I think that might be enough for Dame.

as I said in another thread here earlier today:

one of my biggest complaints about the Olshey era was that Olshey straddled every fence in sight. He never picked a lane, other that giving all his love to CJ. Pick a lane dammit

but ironically, right now might be the perfect time to straddle a fence. Keep the pick, make a smaller trade or two, and see how the roster looks next season

 

[GoBlazersGo]

I don't think we can get Cam Johnson because his sign and trade would be too expensive to make salaries match and it would hard cap us which I don't think we want when we're trying to fill our bench while re-signing Jerami and Matisse... also a S&T means pushing all of this shit out a couple of weeks. DFS though... sure why not?

Good points regarding Cam. I would definitely be interested in Bridges, Claxton, & DFS though.

 

[blazerkor]

as I said in another thread here earlier today:

one of my biggest complaints about the Olshey era was that Olshey straddled every fence in sight. He never picked a lane, other that giving all his love to CJ. Pick a lane dammit

but ironically, right now might be the perfect time to straddle a fence. Keep the pick, make a smaller trade or two, and see how the roster looks next season

I could be OK with it but I'm really really hoping that Joe pulls off something big with pick 3. Just got to wait and see and freak out speculating about a whole bunch of shit we have no fucking clue about.

 

[Strenuus]

I don't see Dame getting mad but at some point doesn't he have to look Joe in the eyes and ask if Joe is ever going to be able to pull off the big move that will get this team in position to contend. Joe can show Dame his texts and that he only had bad moves on the table but if you were Dame wouldn't that just make you wonder why Joe couldn't get good moves on the table. It's the fucking third pick in a three player draft... Dame has stated in a way that cannot be mistaken that he wants win now moves. I don't think it will make Dame mad I think it will make Dame sad and make him say, "Find the best place for me that gets the Blazers the best return."

I don't think that Miller gets us closer to contending next year and probably not the year after. For me I want Dame to stay but if we're going with Miller we should probably be smart and tell Dame that we'll find him a good place because we're obviously building for like four years from now and there's no guarantee that Dame will still be at his best by then. Fuck, I just want Joe to be able to trade the third fucking pick in a draft that everyone agrees has three guys that are likely all stars, package that fucking pick with Ant and whatever and get us a much better squad around Dame... most likely with a second all star and a better bench.

My wheels are spinning a little and the truth is Joe might come through for Dame and for all of us but all we've seen him do to this point is punt by not making moves or making moves that seriously look like a team that's rebuilding and not worrying about contending anytime soon.

I appreciate the fact that you just assume good deals have to be there or our GM sucks. Lol. It takes two. Stop assuming. (And yes, you are assuming).

What if JOE had good deals and the other teams said no? You won't know that.

It's really quite simple. You're only frustrated because your expectations are centered around assumptions. It is fun to watch though lol.

 

[blazerkor]

I appreciate the fact that you just assume good deals have to be there or our GM sucks. Lol. It takes two. Stop assuming. (And yes, you are assuming).

What if JOE had good deals and the other teams said no? You won't know that.

It's really quite simple. You're only frustrated because your expectations are centered around assumptions. It is fun to watch though lol.

I get it Mr. Zen. That being said, it's very obvious that Joe has punted every time he's had the chance. I think deal makers make deals happen of course it takes two or more to make a deal eventually go through but I think these guys have to put pressure on their competition and drive things to make them happen. They can't wait for the big deal to come to them. I get it that they might run into road blocks but honestly if Joe can't get the deals done to put a competitive team around Dame then he can get a deal done to get us a lot of assets to build for the future and get Dame to a place that will get him a roster that he can at least try and win with.

 

[inconceivable]

 

[Ed O]

but ironically, right now might be the perfect time to straddle a fence. Keep the pick, make a smaller trade or two, and see how the roster looks next season

Another irony? I think that's actually the best thing to do, too. If we keep the pick (and don't pass on Scoot) and make no other deals, I won't complain too much as I think it's sort of following the hippocratic oath of GMing.

 

[blazerkor]

This is not a 5 team trade these are four individual one team trades. You will notice that after the first trade no players are aggregated meaning only one player is going from one team to the other. We send out Ant, Nas, pick 3 and pick 23 and end up with Zion, picks 26 and 29. With 26 and 29 I would pick upperclassmen ready to contribute off of the bench with 26 Trayce Jackson-Davis a PF-C and at 29 a SF-PF like Prosper or Jaquez. If Jackson-Davis is gone at 26 then take one of the SF-PFs and then draft GG Jackson at 26.

It cut off the last trade that is pick 21 to Indy for picks 26 and 29... we would probably also send cash.

 

[Eastoff]

I think the blazers will keep the 3 pick and trade a future first packaged with players Friday. I'm thinking the tangible 3rd pick is too valuable to us compared to the hypothetical future.

Edit: it's a way to thread the needle.

 

[B-Roy]

 

[B-Roy]

 

[blazerkor]

If Dame, Ant and Scoot are on this roster to start next season we're the dumbest team in the league.

 

[B-Roy]

 

[Blazinaway]

Marang and Co were suggesting that 3/Ant/Nurk for Siakam/OG is a viable possibility. Not quite sure how I feel about that.

Even if they agree in principal to re-sign or extend with is how the heck can we afford them? Pascal will want 40plus mil and OG probably 30 mil on new contracts, OG

I think its 80-90% BS, but if we do keep the pick and do little else (and keep Ant) I would think Dame asks out and perhaps that is what mgmt has decided on? Who knows as its all guesswork/BS dart throwing at this time.

 

[Pinwheel1]

If Dame, Ant and Scoot are on this roster to start next season we're the dumbest team in the league.

I would not worry about that happening. I think that quote was more about drafting Miller. Although I think Amen would fit with Ant and Sharpe as well. If Amen is really 215 now, then I can see a 220 lb point forward in the near future.

 

[B-Roy]

From just reading the tea leaves:

• It seems like over the last few days the messaging has switched from Blazers moving the pick to Blazers probably keeping the pick.
• During this same time Miller has moved behind Scoot in betting odds to go 2nd.

How much of our good options are dependent on Scoot being there?

 

[HailBlazers]

I could be OK with it but I'm really really hoping that Joe pulls off something big with pick 3. Just got to wait and see and freak out speculating about a whole bunch of shit we have no fucking clue about.

He's Trying Jennifer.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Even if they agree in principal to re-sign or extend with is how the heck can we afford them? Pascal will want 40plus mil and OG probably 30 mil on new contracts.

If the team is good enough to contend, then they'll be worth retaining, even at those elevated figures. If it is not, the team will have the opportunity to move them at the deadline to try to regain assets.

 

[PCmor7]

I take all these talking heads -- even the ones with a good track record -- with a grain of salt in this particular case.

First, they've all damaged their credibility over the last couple of years, starting with the original "Dame wants traded" reports that caught fire through them and then the ridiculous GPII/Toradol nonsense. In neither case did anyone of real note examine the issues closely or with reason. They just ran with the narrative that would sell in the bigger market. There was almost nothing from the Blazer perspective or POV.

Second, they keep deciphering Dame by other Dame-level stars, with no consideration whatsoever that Dame has his own separate individual identity, priorities and motivations. Sure, he wants to win a championship. Is that his primary motivator? I don't think so, and I think if you view Dame's actions and listen to Dame's words his whole career, I think it evidences that. My read is Dame wants to have a legitimate chance to compete with the better teams in the West and go from there, and, if he has that, he likes the stability and his stature in the community more than anything else. And Dame's been more than reasonable in assessing the environment and challenges facing the organization.

But, no, I really don't trust these national or regional talking heads. They've put out so much speculation or just outright poor reporting that I'd rather hear it directly from Dame before I start jumping out the basement window in a panic; Dame's been pretty good about speaking his mind, so why wouldn't I go to the horse's mouth instead of these other people and their suspect info and motivations?

 

[PCmor7]

Even if they agree in principal to re-sign or extend with is how the heck can we afford them? Pascal will want 40plus mil and OG probably 30 mil on new contracts, OG

I think its 80-90% BS, but if we do keep the pick and do little else (and keep Ant) I would think Dame asks out and perhaps that is what mgmt has decided on? Who knows as its all guesswork/BS dart throwing at this time.

I can't imagine Ant still being long for Portland if the Blazers pick third and it ends up being Scoot.

That said, there's no rule that says Ant has to immediately be traded. I could see a scenario in which the Blazers begin the season with him while easing Sharpe more and more into minutes with the starters to see if the team can play him more without losing much ground, then trading Simons at some point in the first half of the season. Blazers would have a better chance to compete early with the more experienced guard and then turn it over to the higher-ceiling but unseasoned talent.

 

[B-Roy]

Second, they keep deciphering Dame by other Dame-level stars, with no consideration whatsoever that Dame has his own separate individual identity, priorities and motivations. Sure, he wants to win a championship. Is that his primary motivator? I don't think so, and I think if you view Dame's actions and listen to Dame's words his whole career, I think it evidences that. My read is Dame wants to have a legitimate chance to compete with the better teams in the West and go from there, and, if he has that, he likes the stability and his stature in the community more than anything else. And Dame's been more than reasonable in assessing the environment and challenges facing the organization.

Dame literally said no more teenagers. Keeping the pick would be testing Dame's word. Probably also why you're hearing more about the Blazers trying to get upgrades without the 3rd pick. I don't see much improvement without using the pick.

I don't know if Dame will ask out if we keep the pick. I know they will have a conversation about it, because Dame literally said they would.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Dame literally said no more teenagers. Keeping the pick would be testing Dame's word. Probably also why you're hearing more about the Blazers trying to get upgrades without the 3rd pick. I don't see much improvement without using the pick.

I don't know if Dame will ask out if we keep the pick. I know they will have a conversation about it, because Dame literally said they would.

Great, then have it.

 

[Natebishop3]

Dame literally said no more teenagers. Keeping the pick would be testing Dame's word. Probably also why you're hearing more about the Blazers trying to get upgrades without the 3rd pick. I don't see much improvement without using the pick.

I don't know if Dame will ask out if we keep the pick. I know they will have a conversation about it, because Dame literally said they would.

Don’t bother. There is a contingent of fans on this board who refuse to acknowledge that Dame said those words.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Assuming Scoot is off the board.......

I think what will end up happening is we will keep #3 and try to land a forward with Nurk, filler, and #23.

Chicago is an easy candidate since we could give them #23 and a future #1. But is DDR worth that? Probably not. But if it was Nurk, Little, and Keon, we could save about 5 million. Doesn't that possibly help with our MLE?

Same deal for John Collins?

OG seems to be the best fit for that salary spot but the issue there is appeasing Chicago with the pick we already owe them so we can trade 23 and a future to Toronto. I doubt Toronto would accept it without the extra 1st.

Who else can we get without moving Ant?