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I am more and more leaning towards just drafting at 3 and if Dame asks out telling him no.

Dame
Shaedon
Miller
Grant
??

Trade Nurk / Simons / 23 for the best C or SF we can find.

Sign the best backup PF/C/SF we can get (whatever we need).

Give Shaedon and Miller a couple years to grow and hopefully make a push towards the twilight of Dame’s career.
 
I expect today in terms of rumors outside of maybe Scoot and Miller debate for Charlotte to be kind of dead cause I think today and maybe tomorrow leading up to the draft on Thursday anything said is prolly just a smoke screen. I think the next two days every team is getting there ducks in a row and making sure they have dotted all the I's and crossed all the T's on there evaluations and other things like trade offers etc. I could be wrong and maybe something big breaks but I think now prepare for a onslaught of ESPN etc etc conjecture pieces and interviews.
 
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PCmor7 said:
Guys like you and Nate Bishop go off all absolutist chicken little on that one quote without any regard to nuance, context, or potentialities.

I could do the same and say "Did Dame say he'd ask for a trade if the Blazers used the third pick on Scoot?" Because he didn't. You want to be a literalist on the first part and then read the tea leaves on the rest.

Dame wants the team to be better. The team can be made better while still using the third pick on the best talent remaining on the board, which has a strong likelihood of becoming a bigger star than anyone we can trade it for.

Anyway, I suggest you and Nate chill a bit, stop picking and choosing how much you take literally and understand there's a huge gulf between Dame saying adding 19-year-olds to the Blazers roster is tantamount to him storming out and saying "Trade me now!" and actually building a team that Dame, a pretty reasonable guy who's never been a ring chaser, can contend with while he still has the ability to make a major impact on the outcomes.
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He did literally say that he didn't want the team to use the pick and wants vets around him to win now and when asked what would happen if the team did use the pick he said he'd have to have a "different kind of conversation then". It wasn't a happy conversation he was talking about. If you can't grasp what was being said in those two interviews, I just don't know what to tell you. He was pretty fucking clear to the point that a ton of people in here were saying that he was backing Joe into a corner and ruining Joe's leverage.
 
The duelling Dame/FO PR campaigns are pretty hilarious, and neither side seems to care about the fans in the middle.
 
As much as I love Dame and he has earned the respect from fans, we need to do what is best for the team in the short and long term, not just to make sure he gets a ring to cement his legacy.
 
I don't know what's going to happen. I have my druthers, but I rarely get what I want. I want Dame to stay; he may not. I want Portland to keep the pick; they may not. I wanted Olshey fired and CJ traded in 2015; it took 7 years. So yeah, what do I know

I do know this: the schizophrenic emotional roller coaster some of you guys are seeming to ride over every new wave of tweets, speculation, and obvious bullshit looks like a ride you should get off for the next 2-3 days
 
Irish Trader said:
Interesting article out of Miami regarding Dame. Especially the supposed quote from CJ saying Dame has played his last game in Portland
https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article274241285.html
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Not really an interesting article. It's a stilted rehash of stuff a lot of national writers have speculated (and so far been wrong about time and time again), this one in particular written to stir the hopes of Heat fans.

Was CJ quoted in this? I didn't see a direct quote, but maybe I missed it. All I saw was him paraphrasing what CJ told SAS, which has been talked about here ad nauseum, without the important point that CJ made it clear he didn't talk to Dame and it was just his opinion.

The other thing is that this writer is going from Dame saying his path wasn't to build around more 19-year-olds to now he's now building around young players or draftees at all.

Like I said, stilted, not breaking any news. It's basically a bit above an informed fan saying what he hopes happens for his favorite team.
 
Predator said:
I am more and more leaning towards just drafting at 3 and if Dame asks out telling him no.

Dame
Shaedon
Miller
Grant
??

Trade Nurk / Simons / 23 for the best C or SF we can find.

Sign the best backup PF/C/SF we can get (whatever we need).

Give Shaedon and Miller a couple years to grow and hopefully make a push towards the twilight of Dame’s career.
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I'd like it. I'd probably do Ant and pick for OG and Nurk/Little for Ayton. Bring Miller off the bench.

Dame
Shae
OG
Grant
Ayton

BU: Miller, Thybulle
 
blazerkor said:
He did literally say that he didn't want the team to use the pick and wants vets around him to win now and when asked what would happen if the team did use the pick he said he'd have to have a "different kind of conversation then". It wasn't a happy conversation he was talking about. If you can't grasp what was being said in those two interviews, I just don't know what to tell you. He was pretty fucking clear to the point that a ton of people in here were saying that he was backing Joe into a corner and ruining Joe's leverage.
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Where did he literally say he didn't want the team to use the pick? I might have missed something. Can you show me a link?
 
Sloth said:
As much as I love Dame and he has earned the respect from fans, we need to do what is best for the team in the short and long term, not just to make sure he gets a ring to cement his legacy.
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I agree. If we can't put together a competitive team around Dame then we should move him and go into full on youth rebuild but I think there are probably a few ways to build that team around him. Cronin can play it safe an fuck over Dame or he can do what he said he'd do an swing for the fences.
 
Denver Nuggets Draft History - RealGMRealGMhttps://basketball.realgm.com › nba › teams › Draft-Histo...

Denver has done well in the draft but their current team wasn't made up of high draft picks other than Murray at 7.
Porter was taken at 14 and everyone in the league besides Nuggs missed on The Joker.
They have engineer this team through a balance of trades and FA's as well.
I dont know of anyone on this forum that picked the Nugg's to win it all at the first of the year.
Gordon / Green / Brown were key to them winning it all as well.....
 
Hoopguru said:
Denver Nuggets Draft History - RealGMRealGMhttps://basketball.realgm.com › nba › teams › Draft-Histo...

Denver has done well in the draft but their current team wasn't made up of high draft picks other than Murray at 7.
Porter was taken at 14 and everyone in the league besides Nuggs missed on The Joker.
They have engineer this team through a balance of trades and FA's as well.
I dont know of anyone on this forum that picked the Nugg's to win it all at the first of the year.
Gordon / Green / Brown were key to them winning it all as well.....
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I picked them to win. I should have bet on it.
 
If Scoot falls to us we should just trade him to NOP for CJ. Watch everyone's head explode.
 
Hoopguru said:
Denver Nuggets Draft History - RealGMRealGMhttps://basketball.realgm.com › nba › teams › Draft-Histo...

Denver has done well in the draft but their current team wasn't made up of high draft picks other than Murray at 7.
Porter was taken at 14 and everyone in the league besides Nuggs missed on The Joker.
They have engineer this team through a balance of trades and FA's as well.
I dont know of anyone on this forum that picked the Nugg's to win it all at the first of the year.
Gordon / Green / Brown were key to them winning it all as well.....
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Yeah and even Denver kind of missed on him. I mean they did draft Doug McDermott at 11 that year and then swapped it with Chicago to draft Nurk.
 
PCmor7 said:
Where did he literally say he didn't want the team to use the pick? I might have missed something. Can you show me a link?
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Listen to everything from 1:19 on and then really pay attention right around 3:20.

Then maybe listen to this from 33:30 for 30 seconds for more context or listen to it for a few minutes for even more.


What does "if we go young mean"?
 
Gary Trent opted in. I wonder if that changes things for Toronto.
 
blazerkor said:
Listen to everything from 1:19 on and then really pay attention right around 3:20.

Then maybe listen to this from 33:30 for 30 seconds for more context or listen to it for a few minutes for even more.


What does "if we go young mean"?
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I know what you think you're saying, but what you're really saying is he never said anything about the third pick.

You have a predisposition on what it meant, and, leaving out basically everything else he said in those interviews along with the exit interview in Portland, you're going to take that on steroids, say forget everything else he's said and done and ignore everything else in these interviews and believe what you're selling me. I have no reason to do that, especially when you said he was "f-ing clear" when the only thing that's been "f-ing clear" is that he wants to win in Portland and he wants to be competitive and thinks this is the time to make a big move. If you can't see the beam in your own eye in this, then, like you said, I don't know what to tell you. You specifically told me he said a specific thing and when I asked you where he did that you told me I have to extrapolate it along your predisposed interpretation.
 
Strenuus said:
I appreciate the fact that you just assume good deals have to be there or our GM sucks. Lol. It takes two. Stop assuming. (And yes, you are assuming).

What if JOE had good deals and the other teams said no? You won't know that.

It's really quite simple. You're only frustrated because your expectations are centered around assumptions. It is fun to watch though lol.
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But Strenuus, some GMs seem to be able to trade for whomever they want without giving much. It’s a talent Joe may not have. I mean look at summer 2007- Celtics got KG and Ray Allen for Al Jefferson +#5. Why can’t we pull off trades like that??

Irish Trader said:
Interesting article out of Miami regarding Dame. Especially the supposed quote from CJ saying Dame has played his last game in Portland
https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article274241285.html
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. It wasn’t a supposed quote. He said it live on video.

andalusian said:
Actually, this is a nice way of telling Miami, you are maxed out with a team that went far, but you are not going over the hump with a team that has Bam and Jimmy Buckets. Honestly, do we believe that team would have gone over a healthy Bucks team? (I don't). Maybe they make Riley think - is Scoot (if he is there), the next Wade like cornerstone?

I loved everything that Miami has done, but without another real shot creator and size, I do not think they would have gone over any of the last 4 or 5 championship teams. So, realistically, even a Dame trade for Duncan Robinson and poo-poo platter is not enough, imho (simply because of how much they need to give up).

I think Miami is not giving up Bam, but maybe, if Miami's next season is not going well and all of a sudden Jimmy looks bad or is hurt, they rethink it.
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Ugh for the last time, Heat beat fully healthy Bucks team playing at a 150%. in big games. Giannis was healthy in most of the Bucks losses. A 7 game series gives you time to make up for a bad loss too and the Bucks couldn’t do it.

Strenuus said:
Lol. It's not dumb. What would be dumb is making a win now move when we don't have a win now roster after any trade scenario.

We'd be the dumbest team in the league if we trade it for Markannen or Porzingas or Siakim. I'd like to actually see a chance 5 years from now to compete when dame is past his prime. We aren't winning with any trade this year so we would be fucking dumb to do it.

It's very freeing when you don't get wrapped up in every possibility and remember it's a franchise that'll be here a decade from now. It's fine that we may not win with Dame because of situations. But I ain't mortgaging the future because we feel we "have to win now". No trade out there is worth the #3 pick. So save your future anger because of your faulty expectations.
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Don’t take for granted Blazers will be in Portland forever or that the NBA will even be around forever. I thought “All My Children” would last forever but it didn’t.


blazerkor said:
I agree. If we can't put together a competitive team around Dame then we should move him and go into full on youth rebuild but I think there are probably a few ways to build that team around him. Cronin can play it safe a fuck over Dame or he can do what he said he'd do a swing for the fences.
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What would be an example of that?

Chris Craig said:
I picked them to win. I should have bet on it.
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I can confirm this.
 
PCmor7 said:
I know what you think you're saying, but what you're really saying is he never said anything about the third pick.

You have a predisposition on what it meant, and, leaving out basically everything else he said in those interviews along with the exit interview in Portland, you're going to take that on steroids, say forget everything else he's said and done and ignore everything else in these interviews and believe what you're selling me. I have no reason to do that, especially when you said he was "f-ing clear" when the only thing that's been "f-ing clear" is that he wants to win in Portland and he wants to be competitive and thinks this is the time to make a big move. If you can't see the beam in your own eye in this, then, like you said, I don't know what to tell you. You specifically told me he said a specific thing and when I asked you where he did that you told me I have to extrapolate it along your predisposed interpretation.
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Stop playing dumb. He specifically said he did not want another 19 year old rookie. He said he didn’t have an appetite for that and it wasn’t his path. I have provided you with direct quotes and you just choose to believe what you want to believe. At this point I don’t care if you agree. We will see what happens after Thursday.
 
illmatic99 said:
It's not "on the table." That was what Fischer estimated would be required to pry Bam. 100% speculation. We all discussed this earlier in the thread. Look back a few pages.
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I think everything is under speculation what, not under speculation is that dame wants to win now and not later!
 
Natebishop3 said:
Stop playing dumb. He specifically said he did not want another 19 year old rookie. He said he didn’t have an appetite for that and it wasn’t his path. I have provided you with direct quotes and you just choose to believe what you want to believe. At this point I don’t care if you agree. We will see what happens after Thursday.
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He also said that before we landed the 3rd pick. There's nuance being ignored.
 
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