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Treaty_of_Batum said:
That's what I figure. Plus it would curb T-Rob's development. But imagine Boozer coming off the bench come playoff time.
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He would be a great bench weapon, but I think he's making something like 16 million a year.
 
Blazer Fanatic said:
I just think its GD awesome that Portland lost by two while Batum had 5 turnovers, and no one is talking about it. Oh, how far we have come.

Or Wes (2-10) with 4 points.

Or LA with 3 turnovers.

Team loss. Next victim: Utah.
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It was kind of a sloppy game, but defense was the real culprit in that loss. Way too much dribble penetration, failure to close out on shooters, etc. Dallas executed their defensive plan and Portland didn't. Not much else to say about that game.
 
No wonder this board is dead in the midst of a great Blazer run.

Calm down, Nate. You've never been mod material, so I don't understand why you call out other posters, argue at length with them over petty BS, and derail numerous threads.

The stuff with Mags in this thread should be embarrassing to you if you read it again. Mags is a poster who loves the Blazers. You're a moderator who said Wes' heart wasn't with the team after the first game of the season. You fucked up the stats from that game, even.
 
Natebishop3 said:
That's not my plan. That's A plan.

Watson might not score as much as Mo, but what if he gets better results out of Dame, Wright, Robinson, and Freeland?

Steve Jones constantly hammered about Ball movement and player movement. With Mo there is no ball movement. Maybe with Earl there would be better ball movement and thusly better player movement and a better offensive rhythm?
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That is a bad plan.
 
PapaG said:
No wonder this board is dead in the midst of a great Blazer run.

Calm down, Nate. You've never been mod material, so I don't understand why you call out other posters, argue at length with them over petty BS, and derail numerous threads.

The stuff with Mags in this thread should be embarrassing to you if you read it again. Mags is a poster who loves the Blazers. You're a moderator who said Wes' heart wasn't with the team after the first game of the season. You fucked up the stats from that game, even.
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We need you to lie on the bench and dry out...badly.
 
Bench Mo. Play Earl and Crabbe. Wright will play better with a real PG and real team offense.

It won't happen though. Mo is Stotts' guy.
 
If we could get a quality starter level talent for our bench as when we brought Gerald Wallace or Marcus Camby that would be a huge boost to this team. But those players are rarely available in trades, and I don’t think we should send out picks or other long term assets to acquire that type of player. It would be a delicate balance to bring in one of those players wanting minutes but not disrupt the current chemistry.

Now if we are talking about bringing in an inferior talent; I think its just too late to significantly improve the bench through a trade this year. The good benches have been with their teams and learned the systems being run. New players will take time to adjust and settle in to a role. If we traded youth or picks for Spencer Hawes would he be happy with Freelands 14 minutes per game? Who else would Spencer take minutes from? Freelands main role is help defense, would our defense be acceptable having a guy who is poor help defender in his place?

Any addition has a large amount of risk, it could help the team but it could easily backfire. We are well into the season and there isn’t going to be practice time, so there is less of a potential benefit. Trades for contending teams need to be done in the offseason, you almost never see trades in the middle of the year that lead to a title.
 
this thread really dropped off the charts with a win over the Jazz, but i actually get more enthused about finding help after a win. Now that we know we have a really good team, let's improve it. mo Williams did his best to try to lose the game for us tonight. If we could swap him out for a good defender (taller than watson preferably), good distributor guy, I would do it. If he was aggressive to the basket that would be a plus. And we really need a second guy at center who has center height. I love joel Freeland but he is just not big and quick enough.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
this thread really dropped off the charts with a win over the Jazz, but i actually get more enthused about finding help after a win. Now that we know we have a really good team, let's improve it. mo Williams did his best to try to lose the game for us tonight. If we could swap him out for a good defender (taller than watson preferably), good distributor guy, I would do it. If he was aggressive to the basket that would be a plus. And we really need a second guy at center who has center height. I love joel Freeland but he is just not big and quick enough.
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You just described Lowry. He would be awesome off the bench if he would accept the role.

But yeah, the bench was not awesome tonight. Robinson and Freeland were solid, but Mo was 4-12 and Wright was 2-9. That's brutal.
 
I know it's not showing up in the stats but I think Thomas Robinson is making progress. I would like to know what happened to the rebound machine we thought we had in preseason.
 
OneLifeToLive said:
I know it's not showing up in the stats but I think Thomas Robinson is making progress. I would like to know what happened to the rebound machine we thought we had in preseason.
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I think he's making great progress. You can see his confidence improving with every game.

He had 6 boards tonight in 14 minutes, and 4 of those were offensive boards.

Also if you used the per 36, he's averaging 11.1 boards and 16.6 points.

He has a higher TRB% than Lopez or Aldridge.

Robinson 17.1 TRB%
Lopez 15.6 TRB%
Aldridge 15.3 TRB%
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think he's making great progress. You can see his confidence improving with every game.

He had 6 boards tonight in 14 minutes, and 4 of those were offensive boards.

Also if you used the per 36, he's averaging 11.1 boards and 16.6 points.

He has a higher TRB% than Lopez or Aldridge.

Robinson 17.1 TRB%
Lopez 15.6 TRB%
Aldridge 15.3 TRB%
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Nice stats.

He sure reminds me of Buck Williams. And I have noticed he has really leaned up since summer league so to me just how he plays reminds me of Buck.
 
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OneLifeToLive said:
Nice stats.
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I'm not really a huge fan of Per 36 because it doesn't always give a realistic representation of what a player is capable of doing, BUT I used it in this case because I wanted to extrapolate his current rebounding to more minutes per game. Would he average 11 boards per game if he played 36 minutes a night? Hard to say, but I still think he's rebounding at a good rate in the minutes that he is playing.

With that said, I loved that he had 2 blocks against Utah, and the Mike's were adamant that he should have had a third block but the Jazz scorers took it away.
 
Natebishop3 said:
You just described Lowry. He would be awesome off the bench if he would accept the role.

But yeah, the bench was not awesome tonight. Robinson and Freeland were solid, but Mo was 4-12 and Wright was 2-9. That's brutal.
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Here's a link to draft express scouting report on him from three years ago. Yes, he is a driver and a tenacious defender. Sounds like distributing so-so. Seems his weaknesses wouldn't be as noticeable as an energized backup; in fact that seems his ideal role, but as you say, does he realize that? I don't think Toronto would want Mo in a trade (and I'm not sure Olshey would trade him; I sense that if he induced a guy to sign by laying out a certain scenario, that he won't go back on that). anyway, a Leonard, Claver and Barton trade for Lowry would work salary wise.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Here's a link to draft express scouting report on him from three years ago. Yes, he is a driver and a tenacious defender. Sounds like distributing so-so. Seems his weaknesses wouldn't be as noticeable as an energized backup; in fact that seems his ideal role, but as you say, does he realize that? I don't think Toronto would want Mo in a trade (and I'm not sure Olshey would trade him; I sense that if he induced a guy to sign by laying out a certain scenario, that he won't go back on that). anyway, a Leonard, Claver and Barton trade for Lowry would work salary wise.
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And i don't really like that trade, just for a half year rental. I would rather use our assets elsewhere; I have mentioned Varejao.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
And i don't really like that trade, just for a half year rental. I would rather use our assets elsewhere; I have mentioned Varejao.
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I'm gonna have to disagree with you about T. Rob. I think by mid season, he's gonna slow down. I think he will be our key big off the bench soon.
 
This will be an interesting discussion, I am sure, but I am anxious to see it.

Lamar Odom

Shell of his former self, with drug issues, but....

If he is clean and willing, he may be a pretty good vet with playoff and championship experience that could step in and not hurt us terribly if need be.

He is also, supposedly, a great teammate


Any thought?
 
Mediocre Man said:
This will be an interesting discussion, I am sure, but I am anxious to see it.

Lamar Odom

Shell of his former self, with drug issues, but....

If he is clean and willing, he may be a pretty good vet with playoff and championship experience that could step in and not hurt us terribly if need be.

He is also, supposedly, a great teammate


Any thought?
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My first thought is: "Why would he want to come here?"
 
The Bucks might be willing trade partners. I like Ekpe Udoh, Ersan Ilyasova and possibly even Caron Butler to fill out our bench. (I won't mention any of their good young players, because why would they trade them?) It would also be really nice if the Raptors waived Chuck Hayes, but I guess they waived Augustin instead. Lowry worries me. He had that one spell in Houston when he was a PER monster and a great defender, but he got fat and cranky, and he plays selfish. The Raptors also have Steve Novak, obviously the reason the Knicks have fallen so far this year... Varejao would be flippin' sweet but why would the Cavs do that? Are they tanking now? (Intentionally, that is, they've been doing it unintentionally up to now.)
 
As good as Robin Lopez' stats have been, there is a lot of discussion about how much he helps the team and his teammates in ways that don't show up in his stats. On this I agree. One example is the perception that due to Robin's play and impact on the game, his teammates are having career years in rebounding the ball, and Aldridge is freer to play LaMonster in the starring role.

Likewise, as horrible as Mo Williams' shooting and turnovers are, I believe he hurts the team in ways that go well beyond his personal stats -- pounding the ball, missing or ignoring wide open teammates, going one-on-three, launching bad shots with 20 seconds on the shot clock without a single teammate in position, destroying ball movement, etc.

Even if CJ comes back, I don't see CJ usurping Mo with Stotts running the ship.

What to do?
 
3RA1N1AC said:
Maybe earl would get more out of Mo too
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I am late to this thread. (Thankfully) But this is my thinking as well. I was all for getting CJ in the draft, but all summer I was saying he is not a PG. Don't try to make him into one. And I am a similar belief that Mo is not either. He is OK until he dribbles into traffic.

I agree with those who say play Earl with Mo if you want more scoring from the bench. However I think Stotts hopes Mo can be Jason Terry light from his Dallas days. If he wants to try it a little longer, I am OK with that. Maybe he thinks Mo and Cj can play together. Not sure, but as I said after about game 3......my concern is playing teams who pressure our Pg's. Damian has looked good, but Mo is more SG than PG IMO. He will score more if he does not have to worry about setting the other bench players up. I think Terry should give it a shot.
 
For those claiming that Mo and others on our bench are so incredibly inconsistent, where are your stats to back it up?

You're acting like it is possible to greatly improve the consistency of the bench players, but you have never shown a stat to help make your point.
 
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