What are your beliefs on religion, god?

[magnifier661]

Believing in god does not mean you believe in the bible. I wholeheartedly believe the bible is a book of mythology and historical fiction. On god, I'm agnostic.

I used a "keyword".... I said there are still christians in science. The ones that believe the bible is the word of god.

 

[drexlersdad]

Actually they were worse than third grade level. Even through the dark ages, man needed others to read the story. Not until Gutenberg developed the printing press was when the common man could read. And even then it was a small %

i wasnt talking about reading...

although clearly if these idiots could be read the bible, then they could be read any sort of book no?

and help me out mags, how does the "teach an idiot how planes work" thing relate to christianity again?

 

[magnifier661]

i wasnt talking about reading...

although clearly if these idiots could be read the bible, then they could be read any sort of book no?

and help me out mags, how does the "teach an idiot how planes work" thing relate to christianity again?

I thought i already explained it. Lets assume that you are trying to describe your witness of an angel ascending to heaven. What if that "angel" was actually an alien type person that used a space craft. Assume that no one back then has even seen our modern planes, yet they need to describe a space craft. You would describe them like the only thing you can associate with flying. You describe a bird, with wings, able to fly into space.

 

[crowTrobot]

Serious question.... If scientists are supposedly the most rational man, and science only disproves the existence of God, then why would any scientist, being rational and all, believe in God? You guys are claiming science has only disproved the bible, yet there are many scientists that are still christians.

Seems like a total contradiction no? I mean if it has been disproven without a shadow of doubt, then why does a rational man still believe?

i commented on this earlier in this thread. scientists are still human. most of them are still raised by religious parents in religious cultures. they still have the capacity as non-scientists do to compartmentalize cultural beliefs and not subject them to the same standards or rationality that they would use in their profession.

in fact, i'd ask you how you would explain why a much lower percentage of scientists are theists than of the general public. General US public it's something like 75%. Latest poll of Scientists it's only 28%, and in an older poll of the members of the National Academy of Sciences it's only 7%. If you concede that scientists generally speaking tend to be more rational than the general public why would those numbers be so much lower?

 

[drexlersdad]

I thought i already explained it. Lets assume that you are trying to describe your witness of an angel ascending to heaven. What if that "angel" was actually an alien type person that used a space craft. Assume that no one back then has even seen our modern planes, yet they need to describe a space craft. You would describe them like the only thing you can associate with flying. You describe a bird, with wings, able to fly into space.

oh so god is an alien and we are his slaves

that actually makes a lot more sense

so why are you stumping for the bible?

 

[porkchopexpress]

I thought i already explained it. Lets assume that you are trying to describe your witness of an angel ascending to heaven. What if that "angel" was actually an alien type person that used a space craft. Assume that no one back then has even seen our modern planes, yet they need to describe a space craft. You would describe them like the only thing you can associate with flying. You describe a bird, with wings, able to fly into space.

I'm not sure what you're trying argue here. This example is just like Zeus and lightning. They would be making up a supernatural (angels) story to explain a real (aliens in this example) situation. This would disprove christianity, or at least that story from he bible.

 

[magnifier661]

i commented on this earlier in this thread. scientists are still human. most of them are still raised by religious parents in religious cultures. they still have the capacity as non-scientists to compartmentalize cultural beliefs and not subject them to the same standards or rationality that they would use in their profession.

in fact, i'd ask you how you would explain way a much lower percentage of scientists are theists than the general public. General US public it's something like 75%. Latest poll of Scientists it's only 28%, and in an older poll of the members of the National Academy of Sciences it's only 7%. If you concede that scientists generally speaking tend to be more rational than the general public why would those numbers be so much lower?

By the same means you just explained why scientists are christians. Its pretty evident that the majority of science doesn't believe in God, and they instill a Godless universe to all those that study in science. But it seems more wondrous that a scientist still believes in God. They are now accepted into a profession that embraces those that renounce the existence of a god, yet they still believe, even knowing that they will be mocked and ridiculed by their peers.

 

[magnifier661]

oh so god is an alien and we are his slaves

that actually makes a lot more sense

so why are you stumping for the bible?

Well of course hes an alien! Was he a product of this planet? An alien are those that live outside of earth. Obviously God is outside this earth.

 

[drexlersdad]

Well of course hes an alien! Was he a product of this planet? An alien are those that live outside of earth. Obviously God is outside this earth.

no like, with a spaceship? and anal probes?

 

[magnifier661]

I'm not sure what you're trying argue here. This example is just like Zeus and lightning. They would be making up a supernatural (angels) story to explain a real (aliens in this example) situation. This would disprove christianity, or at least that story from he bible.

You aren't looking at the forest through the trees. It does nothing of the sort. I have said all along that i have faith that one day science and christianity will be working together. In order to explain the unexplainable, you use metaphors like poetry to give the common people the picture then.

 

[magnifier661]

no like, with a spaceship? and anal probes?

Not like what you would consider them to be. I dont believe god would need to use a spaceship, but maybe the angels do.

 

[crowTrobot]

I thought i already explained it. Lets assume that you are trying to describe your witness of an angel ascending to heaven. What if that "angel" was actually an alien type person that used a space craft. Assume that no one back then has even seen our modern planes, yet they need to describe a space craft. You would describe them like the only thing you can associate with flying. You describe a bird, with wings, able to fly into space.

again, what you are doing here is arguing that god isn't necessary to explain the bible. i don't see how that helps your case.

 

[magnifier661]

again, what you are doing here is arguing that god isn't necessary to explain the bible. i don't see how that helps your case.

Huh? Your eagerness to avoid the true meaning of what im saying is blinding you. Where did it say that God isnt necessary to explain the bible?

If i described an angel flying in a spacecraft, that has nothing to do with God needing one. God created man, just as he did the angels. Theses angels may not be much different then us, and are still bound by the laws of this universe. Maybe they aren't. But you ruling out christianity because you say science disproves God, yet there are still prominent scientists holding positions in the field of science is quite the contradiction.

 

[porkchopexpress]

Huh? Your eagerness to avoid the true meaning of what im saying is blinding you. Where did it say that God isnt necessary to explain the bible?

When you said angels = aliens.

 

[crowTrobot]

By the same means you just explained why scientists are christians. Its pretty evident that the majority of science doesn't believe in God, and they instill a Godless universe to all those that study in science.

yes, science is just a giant conspiracy against theism.

 

[magnifier661]

When you said angels = aliens.

Well aren't they? I think you are talking about the little green men or something like that? Im talking about they are not from this world. They ascend which equals flying. They may have flown without the need for a space craft, they may have. But it doesn't change the fact that the person that only sees birds fly, describe an angel as a bird.

 

[drexlersdad]

I dont believe god would need to use a spaceship, but maybe the angels do.

 

[magnifier661]

yes, science is just a giant conspiracy against theism.

No its not a conspiracy. I think true science wouldn't rule creation out like you are. This is why i said that trip had you at the ropes when you said its foolish for science to not discount christianity or theism for that matter. You are blinded by your need for God to not exist. This is why i doubt you hold any position in science. Most your answers are textbook responses from the atheists. Not all atheists are scientist, and not all christians are either.

Science adopts all forms of beliefs. It should hold no prejudice to any belief. Ut the scientific community are mainly atheist like you mentioned. They definitely don't want science to prove God exists. But if there was evidence without a shadow of doubt, that ratio changes drastically.

 

[magnifier661]

I see how this would apply to you.

 

[drexlersdad]

I see how this would apply to you.

if angels ride in spaceships mags, where do they live?

 

[magnifier661]

if angels ride in spaceships mags, where do they live?

I don't know. What do you think?

 

[magnifier661]

if angels ride in spaceships mags, where do they live?

Explain quantum physics to a farmer in africa. Lets see how many would understand.

Heck explain quantum physics to anyone in here and you'd probably lose most in this thread

 

[magnifier661]

Explain quantum physics to a farmer in africa. Lets see how many would understand.

Heck explain quantum physics to anyone in here and you'd probably lose most in this thread

Yet you would assume that the writers of the bible had the knowledge to explain a God that even defies current laws of science.

 

[drexlersdad]

I don't know. What do you think?

must be outer space, or they wouldnt need spaceships, right?

im all about the alien overlord thing mags, although that kinda kills heaven for all the religious types

 

[magnifier661]

must be outer space, or they wouldnt need spaceships, right?

im all about the alien overlord thing mags, although that kinda kills heaven for all the religious types

Like ive said before, i will not rule anything out. You may assume that i am, but i am just questioning the evidence currently. And anyone that doesn't question it, is no different than the religious fanatics they oppose.

Evolution as what we know today could be dead wrong. It also could be right on the money. Anyone that doesn't question it, isn't thinking rationally.

 

[crowTrobot]

No its not a conspiracy.

the only way science instills anything is through evidence. "instill a godless universe" implies science is a conspiracy to promote false evidence.

I think true science wouldn't rule creation out like you are. This is why i said that trip had you at the ropes when you said its foolish for science to not discount christianity or theism for that matter. You are blinded by your need for God to not exist. This is why i doubt you hold any position in science. Most your answers are textbook responses from the atheists. Not all atheists are scientist, and not all christians are either.

actually it seems like you are responding to what you would expect a textbook atheist to say and believe and not even reading my posts.

1. I don't 'rule out' an intelligent creator
2. I did not say it's foolish for science to not discount Christianity or theism
3. I would greatly prefer it if god existed and there was an afterlife of some kind

They definitely don't want science to prove God exists.

Conspiracy!!!!!!!#^@&^*!!!!

 

[magnifier661]

the only way science instills anything is through evidence. "instill a godless universe" implies science is a conspiracy to promote false evidence.




actually it seems like you are responding to what you would expect a textbook atheist to say and believe and not even reading my posts.

1. I don't 'rule out' an intelligent creator
2. I did not say it's foolish for science to not discount Christianity or theism
3. I would greatly prefer it if god existed and there was an afterlife of some kind





Conspiracy!!!!!!!#^@&^*!!!!

Conspiracy? You are aware that there is truth to the scientific community wanting to disprove creation right? But what I find uplifting is that there are people in science that go against the law of averages and question current science. There is no conspiracy from truth.

I mean you even tossed out that there are so many more in the field if science that don't believe in God; being interpreted as well most logical thinking men don't agree that god exists. Yet you say that the millions of people that believe in Christ should be ruled out because it holds no relevance to truth.

 

[crowTrobot]

You are aware that there is truth to the scientific community wanting to disprove creation right?

Conspiracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I mean you even tossed out that there are so many more in the field if science that don't believe in God; being interpreted as well most logical thinking men don't agree that god exists.

No, being interpreted as most scientists would agree there is no compelling evidence that god exists

Yet you say that the millions of people that believe in Christ should be ruled out because it holds no relevance to truth.

gotta be careful there with those numbers arguments. in another 50 years or so you might have to convert to islam.

 

[magnifier661]

gotta be careful there with those numbers arguments. in another 50 years or so you might have to convert to islam.

Or the ratio in the scientific community leans more towards Theism.

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't know there's any conspiracy, but there sure is an attitude and agenda among scientists.

Systematically, science has directly addressed questions that religion had already answered.

In the beginning, nature created the heavens and the earth.

Apocalypse will indeed be fire and brimstone when the big asteroid hits (not if, but when! A call to action).

Man is indeed formed of (star) dust.

No need to be defensive about it if you believe in science. If you seek Truth, admit the agenda and move on.

Google for "Hawking god" and see that he doesn't hide anything.