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bodyman5000 and 1 said:
No, of course it isn't. There aren't any variables to account for with tobacco and cancer.

I've admitted here a million times that as a whole the nation discriminates against black people. I'm not going to accept every example you give as doctrine just because you say so.

The guy dviss linked that got shot holding a "metal pipe" that's this guy and you'll never convince me it was a bad shoot. NeverView attachment 19912

I hope they don't take this to a trial, that would be an epic waste of money.
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If I were walking North starting at Madison on SW6th Ave. in Portland, pointing that thing at people, I would expect to be shot before I reached Burnside.
 
MarAzul said:
If I were walking North starting at Madison on SW6th Ave. in Portland, pointing that thing at people, I would expect to be shot before I reached Burnside.
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It certainly doesn't look like the typical metal pipe.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
It certainly doesn't look like the typical metal pipe.
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Even if it was just a pipe, that does not mean it does not shoot now. People including me, have made single shot hand guns out of pipes. Not really difficult at all.
 
MarAzul said:
Even if it was just a pipe, that does not mean it does not shoot now. People including me, have made single shot hand guns out of pipes. Not really difficult at all.
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I made a pretty simple air gun out of a small cardboard tube that shot a rubber hood bumper and put a 3" deep dent in a car door.

Next "unarmed" will be when a suspect has a gun with no bullets and the cops will be in trouble for not knowing they didn't have bullets.
 
MarAzul said:
If I were walking North starting at Madison on SW6th Ave. in Portland, pointing that thing at people, I would expect to be shot before I reached Burnside.
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That's pretty specific. What if you walked on 4th instead? Shot or not shot?

barfo
 
Natebishop3 said:
What if he danced?

He can dance if he wants to. He can leave his friends behind. Because his friends don't dance, and if they don't dance, they're no friends of mine.
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Is that a stereotype about black people dancing?

I kid.
 
crandc said:
Crystal Mason, an African-American woman in Texas, served 3 years on fraud charges (unlike Trump!). She was unaware, and her probation supervisor did not tell her, that being on community supervision meant she could not vote and tried to cast a ballot in the 2016 election. The ballot was not counted. Ms. Mason said the hardest thing she ever endured was being separated from her two children and never wanted to risk that again, she had just made a mistake. But she was convicted of felony vote fraud and sentenced to five years imprisonment.

Rosa Maria Ortega is a Latina legal permanent resident in Texas. She mistakenly thought that as a legal permanent resident she could vote in elections. Ms. Ortega was sentenced to eight years imprisonment for felony vote fraud. A felony conviction means she will be lose her legal status and be deported on release although she has lived in the U.S. since she was an infant.

Steve Curtis, a white male and the chair of the Colorado State Republican Party, signed his ex-wife's ballot. He got four years probation.

Terri Lynn Rote, a white woman in Iowa, admitted voting for Trump twice. She said she was convinced a rigged system would change her Trump vote to a Clinton vote so voted twice. She got two years probation and a small fine; the conviction will be removed from her record after the two years.

White Republican privilege.
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If you put Trump in jail for fraud, he'd have a term of infinity 'cause he lies every time he opens his mouth.

He cheats, he cons, he even got out of the draft by some phony medical excuse and then promptly went to the golf course to play 18 holes. In short, he's a sack of shit.
 
Lanny said:
I wonder if it could have had anything to do with large sample statistics?
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Do you mean the "Affluenza" kid isn't all the evidence you need?

Or those 5 instances in the article I linked aren't all the proof that you need that white boys get nothing and black kids get life every time?

I've already said a bazillion times that overall black kids get fucked by the courts. Over and over.

If the "Affluenza" kid was Carlton from The Fresh Prince of Bel Air it could have been the same outcome. That's ALL I was trying to say.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
I made a pretty simple air gun out of a small cardboard tube that shot a rubber hood bumper and put a 3" deep dent in a car door.

Next "unarmed" will be when a suspect has a gun with no bullets and the cops will be in trouble for not knowing they didn't have bullets.
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Well, we're not talking about a case where a suspect has a gun but no bullets so why don't we wait 'till we're faced with that to deal with it? Or at least we could take it up as a separate issue, which it is.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
Do you mean the "Affluenza" kid isn't all the evidence you need?

Or those 5 instances in the article I linked aren't all the proof that you need that white boys get nothing and black kids get life every time?

I've already said a bazillion times that overall black kids get fucked by the courts. Over and over.

If the "Affluenza" kid was Carlton from The Fresh Prince of Bel Air it could have been the same outcome. That's ALL I was trying to say.
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Let's clarify things, I wasn't talking about the courts. I was referring to the generalized case.

I was referring to this statement "I wonder who here reads garbage like the article I just found about all the white boys getting probation and black guys getting 40 years.....hmmm". Not that all white boys get probation nor all balck guys get 40 yrs. It's just that it leans that way statistically.
 
Lanny said:
If you put Trump in jail for fraud, he'd have a term of infinity 'cause he lies every time he opens his mouth.

He cheats, he cons, he even got out of the draft by some phony medical excuse and then promptly went to the golf course to play 18 holes. In short, he's a sack of shit.
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True, but fraud criminally is not just cheating at golf, it's business fraud like Trump "University", failing to pay contractors, etc.
 
crandc said:
True, but fraud criminally is not just cheating at golf, it's business fraud like Trump "University", failing to pay contractors, etc.
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I know that.
 
Lanny said:
Let's clarify things, I wasn't talking about the courts. I was referring to the generalized case.

I was referring to this statement "I wonder who here reads garbage like the article I just found about all the white boys getting probation and black guys getting 40 years.....hmmm". Not that all white boys get probation nor all balck guys get 40 yrs. It's just that it leans that way statistically.
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Variables variables variables.

A white kid in some shithole in Wyoming is counted against thousands of black kids across the country right? Has anyone done a study in every big city court white vs black?

I bet it would still favor the white kids but I also bet it would be a lot closer. I'll see if I can find anything on Google.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
Found one about Florida. Appears shitty at first glance. Then they finally chose two cases in the same county. Different lawyers........ Wonder how much the lawyer makes a difference?

White kid's lawyer probably plays golf with the judge.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile...qual-sentences-for-blacks-and-whites.amp.html
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When I was working for Boeing in Seattle, I had an accident. We exchanged insurance information and a police officer called me at work. I guess my desk was famous because that's where the mayor of Tuckwilla sat and he frequently got phone calls from the President of Boeing. Anyhow, the officer asked me some questions which out of habit I answered truthfully. After my final statement he informed me that he would be sending me a ticket. I was outraged and got a lawyer. The lawyer said he knew the judge because his wife and him played golf with him. He told me there was nothing I could do but pay the fine. Then he handed me his bill. Talk about adding insult to injury. And I don't think I should have had to pay any fine due to the circumstances. I wonder if the other party knew the officer.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
Do you mean the "Affluenza" kid isn't all the evidence you need?

Or those 5 instances in the article I linked aren't all the proof that you need that white boys get nothing and black kids get life every time?

I've already said a bazillion times that overall black kids get fucked by the courts. Over and over.

If the "Affluenza" kid was Carlton from The Fresh Prince of Bel Air it could have been the same outcome. That's ALL I was trying to say.
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To go along with the rich people do whatever the fuck they want narrative, I recently remember because of the mma post that Jon Jones who is a black mma fighter. One of the greatest of all time despite his controversies. A couple years ago he got in a hit and run incident with a pregnant lady. Broke her arm. Fled the scene, there was weed in is car. Got hit with a felony. No jail time served. I’m sure if that were a much poor and less known person, it would have been jail time. This also occurred in New Mexico where he had trained most of his career and I believe has a house there. It’s all about status and the lawyers you have. If you come to court with nothing, good luck. You’re probably fucked.
 
Cippy91 said:
To go along with the rich people do whatever the fuck they want narrative, I recently remember because of the mma post that Jon Jones who is a black mma fighter. One of the greatest of all time despite his controversies. A couple years ago he got in a hit and run incident with a pregnant lady. Broke her arm. Fled the scene, there was weed in is car. Got hit with a felony. No jail time served. I’m sure if that were a much poor and less known person, it would have been jail time. This also occurred in New Mexico where he had trained most of his career and I believe has a house there. It’s all about status and the lawyers you have. If you come to court with nothing, good luck. You’re probably fucked.
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No jail time for hit and run? Unbelievable.
 
Lanny said:
No jail time for hit and run? Unbelievable.
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He got 18 months probation for it. No jail time.

http://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id/...on-jones-facing-felony-charge-alleged-hit-run

UFC light heavyweight champion Jon Jones has been released on bond after turning himself in to police Monday after a hit-and-run incident he was allegedly involved in a day earlier in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

Online police records that included a mug shot but few other details indicated Jones was released.

The Albuquerque Police Department had reported Jones to be in custody via Twitter earlier Monday night, and the UFC acknowledged to ESPN that Jones was in custody and that the sanctioning body was "still in the process of gathering facts."

Jones is facing a felony charge. Albuquerque police spokesman Tanner Tixier confirmed to ESPN.com that the 25-year-old pregnant woman driving the car Jones allegedly struck in southeastern Albuquerque suffered a broken arm.

Anthony Johnson at UFC 187 on May 23 in Las Vegas. The UFC has not announced a change on the card, and representatives for Johnson have told ESPN.com they have not been notified of a change in opponent.

UFC released a statement Sunday night that read: "We are aware that the Albuquerque Police Department is interested in speaking to Jon Jones regarding his possible involvement in a motor vehicle accident. We are in the process of gathering facts and will reserve further comment until more information is available."

ESPN reached out to Jones' camp for comment Sunday night, but the camp has yet to respond. Jones moved to Albuquerque, the base of his longtime gym, Jackson-Winkeljohn MMA, full time earlier this year.

In May 2012, Jones was arrested on suspicion of driving under the influence after he crashed his Bentley into a telephone pole in Binghamton, New York. Jones pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor DWI charge and avoided jail time.

In early December, Jones tested positive for metabolites of cocaine while training for his bout against Daniel Cormier. Jones was allowed to compete because the test was conducted out of competition, and he beat Cormier at UFC 182.

When the failed drug test became public, Jones publicly apologized for a "mistake" and spent one day in a drug rehabilitation center before checking himself out.

Jones has defended his belt eight times since becoming the youngest champion in UFC history in March 2011.




http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-jon-jones-20150929-story.html

Ultimate Fighting Championship fighter Jon Jones avoided jail time Tuesday when a New Mexico judge sentenced him to 18 months of supervised probation in connection with a hit-and-run incident earlier this year.

As part of a deal with prosecutors, Jones pleaded guilty to one count of leaving the scene of an accident during a hearing before New Mexico District Court Judge Charles W. Brown.

The plea deal allows Jones to avoid an official conviction on his record as long as he follows the conditions of the agreement.

Jones was accused of fleeing the scene of an April 25 three-vehicle accident in Albuquerque in which a pregnant woman was injured.

He was stripped of his light-heavyweight title after the incident, in which drug paraphernalia was found and he was seen grabbing a bundle of cash from his vehicle.

UFC President Dana White attended Tuesday's hearing.

It's unclear when Jones will fight again. On Saturday in Houston, light-heavyweight champion Daniel Cormier will defend his belt against Alexander Gustafsson.

UFC released this statement Tuesday:

"The UFC organization is aware that Jon Jones reached a plea agreement with authorities in Albuquerque, New Mexico this morning stemming from charges associated with a motor vehicle accident earlier this year. As a result, UFC, through Las Vegas-based law firm Campbell & Williams, will thoroughly review the agreement before discussing Jones' possible reinstatement to return to competition.
 
Cippy91 said:
He got 18 months probation for it. No jail time.

http://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id/...on-jones-facing-felony-charge-alleged-hit-run

UFC light heavyweight champion Jon Jones has been released on bond after turning himself in to police Monday after a hit-and-run incident he was allegedly involved in a day earlier in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

Online police records that included a mug shot but few other details indicated Jones was released.

The Albuquerque Police Department had reported Jones to be in custody via Twitter earlier Monday night, and the UFC acknowledged to ESPN that Jones was in custody and that the sanctioning body was "still in the process of gathering facts."

Jones is facing a felony charge. Albuquerque police spokesman Tanner Tixier confirmed to ESPN.com that the 25-year-old pregnant woman driving the car Jones allegedly struck in southeastern Albuquerque suffered a broken arm.

Anthony Johnson at UFC 187 on May 23 in Las Vegas. The UFC has not announced a change on the card, and representatives for Johnson have told ESPN.com they have not been notified of a change in opponent.

UFC released a statement Sunday night that read: "We are aware that the Albuquerque Police Department is interested in speaking to Jon Jones regarding his possible involvement in a motor vehicle accident. We are in the process of gathering facts and will reserve further comment until more information is available."

ESPN reached out to Jones' camp for comment Sunday night, but the camp has yet to respond. Jones moved to Albuquerque, the base of his longtime gym, Jackson-Winkeljohn MMA, full time earlier this year.

In May 2012, Jones was arrested on suspicion of driving under the influence after he crashed his Bentley into a telephone pole in Binghamton, New York. Jones pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor DWI charge and avoided jail time.

In early December, Jones tested positive for metabolites of cocaine while training for his bout against Daniel Cormier. Jones was allowed to compete because the test was conducted out of competition, and he beat Cormier at UFC 182.

When the failed drug test became public, Jones publicly apologized for a "mistake" and spent one day in a drug rehabilitation center before checking himself out.

Jones has defended his belt eight times since becoming the youngest champion in UFC history in March 2011.




http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-jon-jones-20150929-story.html

Ultimate Fighting Championship fighter Jon Jones avoided jail time Tuesday when a New Mexico judge sentenced him to 18 months of supervised probation in connection with a hit-and-run incident earlier this year.

As part of a deal with prosecutors, Jones pleaded guilty to one count of leaving the scene of an accident during a hearing before New Mexico District Court Judge Charles W. Brown.

The plea deal allows Jones to avoid an official conviction on his record as long as he follows the conditions of the agreement.

Jones was accused of fleeing the scene of an April 25 three-vehicle accident in Albuquerque in which a pregnant woman was injured.

He was stripped of his light-heavyweight title after the incident, in which drug paraphernalia was found and he was seen grabbing a bundle of cash from his vehicle.

UFC President Dana White attended Tuesday's hearing.

It's unclear when Jones will fight again. On Saturday in Houston, light-heavyweight champion Daniel Cormier will defend his belt against Alexander Gustafsson.

UFC released this statement Tuesday:

"The UFC organization is aware that Jon Jones reached a plea agreement with authorities in Albuquerque, New Mexico this morning stemming from charges associated with a motor vehicle accident earlier this year. As a result, UFC, through Las Vegas-based law firm Campbell & Williams, will thoroughly review the agreement before discussing Jones' possible reinstatement to return to competition.
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If he was white they would have shot him.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
If he was white they would have shot him.
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The only reason I got reminded of this case is because of the mcgregor post. I was like oh shit this would be good in dviss thread. I mean it just goes to show that unfortunately a lot of cases are about status and the lawyers you have. This whole “if he was black” shit is just divisive horse shit. Cherry picking cases. Well I just named one and dviss will probably never address it and that’s fine. It’s like when I watched making a murderer. I don’t know if Steven Avery did it but they fucked that kid over. White poor kid, also with a learning disorder. Brendan dassey or whatever. So there are two cases I just threw in if a white kid being thrown in jail for life for some bullshit, basically a forced confession of some shit that didn’t happen and Jon Jones, a very successful black athlete and fighter who got off with only 18 months probation. It all varies. It’s not black or white.

Lol at the getting shot comment. Yeah I know right. Obviously.
 
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