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e_blazer said:
I’m talking about letting him play out this season and then trading him this summer. There is more player movement in the summer and more opportunity to use him in bigger trades.
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Yeah, I'd be okay with it, if that's what it took to get a pick.

Of course, we'll have to hope he doesn't get injured after the deadline...
 
Phatguysrule said:
I'm not sure how much better of a pick you'll ever get out of Brogdon. 15 maybe?
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* Hart brought a 23rd pick

* CJ was traded for Hart and a 2025 first...that was traded for Grant....meaning Grant was traded for a 2025 top-4 protected 1st from Milwaukee that is likely to be in the 20's

* Blazers traded a lottery-protected 1st for Nance but that was a stupid fucking trade

* Powell was essentially traded for a 2nd

* Portland traded what became a 19th pick for Afflalo

I'm not sure what the floor is for Brogdon in 1st round picks but expecting a pick in the 15-20 range may not be realistic either now or even less likely in the summer
 
wizenheimer said:
* Hart brought a 23rd pick

* CJ was traded for Hart and a 2025 first...that was traded for Grant....meaning Grant was traded for a 2025 top-4 protected 1st from Milwaukee that is likely to be in the 20's

* Blazers traded a lottery-protected 1st for Nance but that was a stupid fucking trade

* Powell was essentially traded for a 2nd

* Portland traded what became a 19th pick for Afflalo

I'm not sure what the floor is for Brogdon in 1st round picks but expecting a pick in the 15-20 range may not be realistic either now or even less likely in the summer
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Yeah, agreed. I'm trying to think of a scenario in which it would be that high and I can't...

I feel like if a first rounder is on the table we should jump on it. Do any of the top 10 teams have a first rounder they've traded for that could maybe get into the 19 range?

Or maybe it needs to be in a package of some kind...
 
Phatguysrule said:
Yeah, agreed. I'm trying to think of a scenario in which it would be that high and I can't...

I feel like if a first rounder is on the table we should jump on it. Do any of the top 10 teams have a first rounder they've traded for that could maybe get into the 19 range?

Or maybe it needs to be in a package of some kind...
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Knicks have Detroit's '24 pick (lotto protected). It keeps rolling over until '27 when the protections are down to ~#10.

It's a risk, but Id take that pick because there is a decent shot that it conveys in '26 or '27
 
Wizard Mentor said:
not trading is better than liquidating Brog or Jerami for a pick in the 20s.
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Unless you want endless mediocrity, getting a pick in the 20s is fine for Brogdon.

There's zero chance Brogdon becomes anything more than a good player that takes playing time away from younger players.

The chances are low for a first round pick in the 20s being a better contributor than Brogdon, but a higher chance that player becomes better than average (though still low). My point is that the player in the 20s is an unknown quantity.
 
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CJ_is_Gone said:
Knicks have Detroit's '24 pick (lotto protected). It keeps rolling over until '27 when the protections are down to ~#10.

It's a risk, but Id take that pick because there is a decent shot that it conveys in '26 or '27
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For Brogdon? Hell yeah I'd take that risk.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Yeah, agreed. I'm trying to think of a scenario in which it would be that high and I can't...

I feel like if a first rounder is on the table we should jump on it. Do any of the top 10 teams have a first rounder they've traded for that could maybe get into the 19 range?

Or maybe it needs to be in a package of some kind...
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-OKC has a shit ton of picks.
-As was said above the Knicks have picks, yeah that Detroit one but they have theirs and Dallas's and one from Washington that get's less and less protected the following two drafts before it could turn into two seconds. They also have the Bucks 2025 pick top 5 protected.

Mostly the top 10 teams have their own pick or future firsts all of which I think would be in play for either of our two vets that I'm hoping are being shopped.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
Did you not imply we need to trade him now and I’ve countered we don’t and we can trade him in the off season or next season?

so then wouldn’t it be fair to assume you think by next season he will have potentially massively diminished in value? So you saying my opinion we can keep him until next season with little risk, is saying my opinion will potentially massively diminish his value by next season?
If so, then I disagree and don’t really quote you incorrectly.

please correct me if I’m wrong. That’s how I read it.
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Since I missed this response, I said the return on the Dame trade would massively diminished if we let Brogdon depreciate down to nothing. To be clear, letting him depreciate to nothing would be holding onto him until his contract expires.

I never said his value would massively diminish. I think his value has a high chance of being lower this summer, simply because he will be older and as someone else pointed out, a team would only get one postseason out of him instead of two. But we don’t know what any offers are right now. We only know what he was worth last summer. People have guessed that the Knicks might offer a pick and filler. We haven’t heard anything concrete from any sources.

It would have to be concerning if we aren’t getting good offers though, with not many sellers right now. I don’t see why it would be better this summer.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Since I missed this response, I said the return on the Dame trade would massively diminished if we let Brogdon depreciate down to nothing. To be clear, letting him depreciate to nothing would be holding onto him until his contract expires.

I never said his value would massively diminish. I think his value has a high chance of being lower this summer, simply because he will be older and as someone else pointed out, a team would only get one postseason out of him instead of two. But we don’t know what any offers are right now. We only know what he was worth last summer. People have guessed that the Knicks might offer a pick and filler. We haven’t heard anything concrete from any sources.

It would have to be concerning if we aren’t getting good offers though, with not many sellers right now. I don’t see why it would be better this summer.
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my apologies for mixing your words up. I was taking the massively diminished as two fold. I assumed if the Dame trade massively diminished in value, that would be because we let Brog also massively diminish in value. I apologize for assuming that is also what you meant. I appreciate the clarification.
 
I would think if there isn’t much there for Brogdon waiting till OS presents more opportunities as more teams then are willing to trade with more picks available. Also he could be part of bigger package for a player and picks.
 
beast crnjo said:
Hell no. Issac is damaged goods. Orland is only playing him 15 minutes per game this year.

I'd roll the dice on him if it were something like Robert Williams + Camara...but not for Simons.
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He's just salary filler that happens to be a potential reclamation. Anthony Black and picks would be the actual value in the return.

But before you completely dismiss Isaac, you should look at the impact he's had on Orlando's defense, even in only 15mpg.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
He's just salary filler that happens to be a potential reclamation. Anthony Black and picks would be the actual value in the return.

But before you completely dismiss Isaac, you should look at the impact he's had on Orlando's defense, even in only 15mpg.
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A healthy Issac would be a coup for this team. That's why I said I'd offer up something to gamble for him. But not Simons.
 
beast crnjo said:
A healthy Issac would be a coup for this team. That's why I said I'd offer up something to gamble for him. But not Simons.
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Again...Isaac is filler in the Simons deal I suggested.
 
Mediocre Man said:
This is what I believe will happen. No big trade. Maybe something minor
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I said a week ago that the relevant facts might be the Blazers being about 5.4M under the tax line and having two TPE's of over 8M. Blazers might land a future 2nd round pick for taking on a small contract
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Again...Isaac is filler in the Simons deal I suggested.
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That doesn't help your cause any. Now you're dealing him for a rookie PG (why do we need another one), and a 1st round pick that would probably be in the mid to late teens or lower. That's almost like dumping him.
 
beast crnjo said:
That doesn't help your cause any. Now you're dealing him for a rookie PG (why do we need another one), and a 1st round pick that would probably be in the mid to late teens or lower. That's almost like dumping him.
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A 6'7" defensive specialist rookie PG, who would add length and versatility to our rebuild. If he develops well, he would be an excellent complement to Scoot and Sharpe--a much better for than Ant. And you're probably right that a single first would be too few; they could offer both a 25 and a 26.
 
I kind of understand keeping Brogs more with this Sharpe injury or at last can maybe understand it BUT if the Blazers get a good deal and turn it down cause the front office thinks we can still contend or something, I am going to lose my BEEP cause this season is lost in terms of winning anything so embrace it and turn the reigns of this team to Scoot and let him go through the highs and lows of being a rookie BUT limit his minutes to 32 ish per game so not to wear him out. This is the other thing if after the all star break if Scoot is not starting the fanbase needs to start a petition to get Billups fired and I am not even joking about this.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
A 6'7" defensive specialist rookie PG, who would add length and versatility to our rebuild. If he develops well, he would be an excellent complement to Scoot and Sharpe--a much better for than Ant. And you're probably right that a single first would be too few; they could offer both a 25 and a 26.
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a 2023 sixth pick + a 2025 first + a 2026 first + Issac....for Ant? a 6th year non-all-star undersized SG who is a defensive liability

channeling the earlier version of Masai Ujiri before reality came knocking?
 
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