What if we trade nobody?

[PtldPlatypus]

How about people like myself who find it unreasonable to believe that there isn't a single team in the NBA who would be willing to offer a decent return for Brogdon, and that the eventual/inevitable inability of this front office to get something done by Thursday will be a result of either incompetence or indolence?

 

[blazerkor]

Blazers aren't letting Grant go for 2 first rounders.

Then I guess if he's traded I'll be happy with the return.

 

[blazerkor]

How about people like myself who find it unreasonable to believe that there isn't a single team in the NBA who would be willing to offer a decent return for Brogdon, and that the eventual/inevitable inability of this front office to get something done by Thursday will be a result of either incompetence or indolence.

The thing is this is the one thing Joe has been good at... selling off veteran players with value for a fair return. I'll be pissed if he doesn't do it again because I honestly think that it will either be indolence or just a complete lack of direction, trying to straddle a line or some shit like that. I'm well aware it's very possible so I'm already prepared for the disappointment. Hopefully we'll both be pleasantly surprised.

 

[blazedanugz]

How about people like myself who find it unreasonable to believe that there isn't a single team in the NBA who would be willing to offer a decent return for Brogdon, and that the eventual/inevitable inability of this front office to get something done by Thursday will be a result of either incompetence or indolence?

nome of us know what goes on behind closed doors in this league.
I would calm your assumptions

 

[beast blazer]

It'll be boring if we don't make a trade. I at least want to offload Thybulle.

 

[PCmor7]

I'd say it was fun to read people subtlety altering long-held stances over the course of this conversation has been fun, but it hasn't. It's coming across more as "I need to say I never said what I made it look like I was saying for months so I don't get crushed on it than to actually have a better defense of the position."

There absolutely have been people saying if Brogdon isn't traded by the deadline it's a complete failure and indictment on Cronin. You know how I come to this conclusion? Because this has been discussed in multiple threads ever since Brogdon was acquired and if someone truly was advocating "as long as we get meaningful compensation and only as long as that" then they would have had ample opportunity to qualify that before now.

 

[blazedanugz]

A true rebuild you’d want to collect as many picks as possible. It opens doors to be very flexible in future trades and allows to find good players in the draft, if they do their homework. Presti and Ainge have been successful at this.

However, with the drafting of Kris Murray in the first round I’m not so sure I completely trust our front office to knock it out of the park in the draft. He has zero upside and is most likely on his last NBA contract

Sure that’s true in a sense. mid that’s the case you can probably get that deal next year too while teams are trying to shed salary…if not a better deal

 

[PtldPlatypus]

nome of us know what goes on behind closed doors in this league.
I would calm your assumptions

Thank you for your advice. I will probably disregard it, wise though it may be.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[blazerkor]

I'd say it was fun to read people subtlety altering long-held stances over the course of this conversation has been fun, but it hasn't. It's coming across more as "I need to say I never said what I made it look like I was saying for months so I don't get crushed on it than to actually have a better defense of the position."

There absolutely have been people saying if Brogdon isn't traded by the deadline it's a complete failure and indictment on Cronin. You know how I come to this conclusion? Because this has been discussed in multiple threads ever since Brogdon was acquired and if someone truly was advocating "as long as we get meaningful compensation and only as long as that" then they would have had ample opportunity to qualify that before now.

I'm one of those people. I don't think Joe would have to take anything less than fair value for Malcolm right now and if he can get that and doesn't, I view it as a big mistake.

 

[beast blazer]

How about people like myself who find it unreasonable to believe that there isn't a single team in the NBA who would be willing to offer a decent return for Brogdon, and that the eventual/inevitable inability of this front office to get something done by Thursday will be a result of either incompetence or indolence?

I'm sure the Blazers have gotten offers, but are probably waiting for the best one.

I'd have gladly seen Olshey trade a 1st for Brogdon back in our pre-tanking days.

 

[Samuel]

There's only two groups from what I have seen.

People who think his value is worth more than a first round pick in this draft.

People who think we should take the first round pick but not if there's nothing out there that's fair value.

I haven't seen anyone say we should dump him for nothing.

I’d even break it down further and dilineate between 24 firsts and future firsts.

 

[HansenYang]

For Malcolm I think it's a future first rounder with little to no protection and expirings, more if we take on bad contracts. For Jerami I'd expect twice as much. Obviously if it's young prospects instead or in combination with that level of draft compensation that would work too.

Agreed.

 

[HansenYang]

but if the offers are not even a first rounder, you should hold onto him.

I certainly could have missed it... but I never got that understanding from your posts

 

[PCmor7]

I certainly could have missed it... but I never got that understanding from your posts

Same, Nate.

Maybe there was a disconnect, maybe I missed it somewhere, but I definitely have gotten the idea that you've been saying trade Brogdon for whatever you can get back, that there's enough compensation in getting the younger players more minutes to override taking back players in trade that never will do much of anything for Portland.

 

[PCmor7]

To be fair to this thread, we really need a "What if we trade everybody?" thread and probably a "What if they traded somebody and nobody came?" thread.

 

[wizenheimer]

For Malcolm I think it's a future first rounder with little to no protection and expirings, more if we take on bad contracts. .

well, I think that's asking too much and basically asking for no trade

I don't believe, for a second, that any team would risk a top-10 pick for Brogdon. I think lottery protection would be fine with a conversion to a pair of 2nds after 2-3 years

I'm also thinking that any team willing to trade for Brogdon would have very little chance of being in the lottery anyway

 

[blazerkor]

well, I think that's asking too much and basically asking for no trade

I don't believe, for a second, that any team would risk a top-10 pick for Brogdon. I think lottery protection would be fine with a conversion to a pair of 2nds after 2-3 years

I'm also thinking that any team willing to trade for Brogdon would have very little chance of being in the lottery anyway

Yeah, I would be OK with that because the teams that have been rumored to want Malcolm and any other team that makes sense for him is going to be in the playoffs either all of the next three years or at least one of them.

 

[BigGameDamian]

If we got more value in retrun, I wouldn't think twice about trading Sharpe. I still think there's a real chance he's never an all-star, so he would not even be close to untradable for me.

I think the Blazers should at least explore the idea and not just put an untouchable label on Sharpe. It would be a way to speed the rebuilding process. Could Markkanen be a target? I assume you would have to trade Grant. Trade Brogdon to the Knicks for Fournier and a pick. You would have Scoot, Ant, Toumani, Markkanen and Ayton.

 

[blazerkor]

I think the Blazers should at least explore the idea and not just put an untouchable label on Sharpe. It would be a way to speed the rebuilding process. Could Markkanen be a target? I assume you would have to trade Grant. Trade Brogdon to the Knicks for Fournier and a pick. You would have Scoot, Ant, Toumani, Markkanen and Ayton.

No thanks

 

[Cugel]

I don’t think anyone should be untouchable. Untouchable is Luka, Halliburton, SGA etc.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Told ya!

 

[Tince]

I think the Blazers should at least explore the idea and not just put an untouchable label on Sharpe. It would be a way to speed the rebuilding process. Could Markkanen be a target? I assume you would have to trade Grant. Trade Brogdon to the Knicks for Fournier and a pick. You would have Scoot, Ant, Toumani, Markkanen and Ayton.

I don't love the trade, but strongly agree with the idea of Sharpe, or anyone on this roster, not being untouchable.

 

[Pritchslap Madness]

Why would the Blazers make a trade? We are obviously an unstoppable team and there is no room to improve the team....

 

[PCmor7]

I'm getting close to making a "What if they trade your mom" thread.

 

[SheedSoNasty]

I was told there were whispers.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Well some of you may get your wish and depending on the return, maybe most of us. I really feel Brogdon sitting out is more than just for his knee. If we are trading him, now is not the time to sit him for an injury, unless it’s for other reasons.

Here’s to hoping if he is traded, we are all happy with the return!

 

[Tince]

I was told there were whispers.

There are always whispers in the weeks leading up to the trade deadline!

 

[Blazinaway]

I was told there were whispers.

so was I, whose whispers are better?