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PCmor7 said:
Or people that don't want to have faith in the front office, or even give it the benefit of the doubt.
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I'm sorta meh on Cronin and this coaching staff, but I believe they are trying to get Brogdon to a good spot and get value back—and they're willing wait out teams until they get what they're looking for.
 
PCmor7 said:
Or people that don't want to have faith in the front office, or even give it the benefit of the doubt.
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Or people who believe that the FO sees an advantage to having MB’s presence on the roster as an aid to the young guys’ development, and that he may have more value in trades next season, either for players who will fit long term or for draft picks not in this current weak draft. Just spit balling here.
 
e_blazer said:
Or people who believe that the FO sees an advantage to having MB’s presence on the roster as an aid to the young guys’ development, and that he may have more value in trades next season, either for players who will fit long term or for draft picks not in this current weak draft. Just spit balling here.
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That's a bad gamble with his health, IMO. I don't see any way we get more out of Brogdon next year than now or this summer. And keeping him for a few months longer isn't going to be a major factor in the development of our young players.

Just my opinion, but Brogdon is worth as much now as he will be the rest of his career. However, I'd be very happy for him if he proved me wrong. I just wouldn't want to count on it if I'm building a team.
 
Phatguysrule said:
That's a bad gamble with his health, IMO. I don't see any way we get more out of Brogdon next year than now or this summer. And keeping him for a few months longer isn't going to be a major factor in the development of our young players.

Just my opinion, but Brogdon is worth as much now as he will be the rest of his career. However, I'd be very happy for him if he proved me wrong. I just wouldn't want to count on it if I'm building a team.
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I’m talking about letting him play out this season and then trading him this summer. There is more player movement in the summer and more opportunity to use him in bigger trades.
 
e_blazer said:
I’m talking about letting him play out this season and then trading him this summer. There is more player movement in the summer and more opportunity to use him in bigger trades.
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One issue with waiting for the summer is a team trading for him would only be getting him for one playoff run, instead of two if they make a move for him this deadline. I would think more teams would value 2 playoff runs over 1.
I don't know for certain if there is more opportunity in the summer, either. Teams would need to match salary in order to trade for Brogdon. If we make a move at this deadline, we have the option of that $$(potentially) coming off of the books this summer, and no need to carry on additional salary next season. In the offseason, that isn't the case.
But, on top of that, a team that may be interested now might not have the salary in the summer to make a deal. A team like Orlando has been mentioned as an option. They have expiring contracts in Fultz and Harris to help match Brogdon's salary. In the offseason, those options go away. And instead of taking on a half year of salary for this season, we'd be taking on a full year's salary at least in the offseason.
 
If Joe communicated anything during the dame saga is that he doesn't intend to be prisoner of the moment, and if it means waiting, he'll wait.

now maybe he finds a buyer at his price before the price—awesome. but it appears the only sacrifice he'd have to make is some sort of major injury to brogdon and 10-20 more games of guard logjam before they start shutting guys down and play the kids.

not to mention, after the draft the picks in play will necessarily be 2025-and-later picks.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
WTF? Yes opinions can change. Sure. But recalling what was said vs what people SAY they said, is the point of contention. Without details, it leave that room to say, “that isn’t what I said”, based on a vague statement.
I too have been guilty of this and am trying to be more specific and direct because of the confusion it creates.

So where’s the WTF in that?
You think it’s not good to be specific?
you think being vague doesn’t create confusion and added back and forth trying to deciminate the details? People debate details, or the minutias, on here more than probably anything else. So I don’t understand what your beef is with what I said.
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Sure but you misquoted me even when it was something that actually was pretty clearly written. People misinterpret statements all the time and they draw their own conclusions.
 
Samuel said:
Well, I get zero sense that this is the case, but I'm not sure you're saying you believe that. And if you did believe that I'd question that, too.

All reports were that Portland would move Brogdon along... until recently when the FO moved into a 'hold' posture. you can believe whatever you want about that posture--Me: I think he's trying to get maximum value because he has leverage (by way of Brogdon's contract not expiring).

But sure, folks with no faith in the FO could believe that Joe isn't actually looking to trade Brogdon.
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But it’s unknowable. Unless he said it himself or someone highly placed said that we did not explore trades. I was merely stating that if it were the case that we did not even try to move him, I would be annoyed. Just as I would accept a situation where he wasn’t moved if the offers suck. Those are the two extremes. There’s a lot in the middle.
 
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PCmor7 said:
Or people that don't want to have faith in the front office, or even give it the benefit of the doubt.
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I want to have faith in the FO. I just don't. I have yet to be particularly impressed by a Cronin-led deadline deal. I'm hoping this year is different, but I'm certainly not holding my breath.
 
Depends, do you want the sugar rush of a few short term victories where Jerami and Malcolm carry us, or do you want to watch the young guys fuck up and get blown out but improve more rapidly?
 
Natebishop3 said:
But it’s unknowable. Unless he said it himself or someone highly placed said that we did not explore trades. I was merely stating that if it were the case that we did not even try to move him, I would be annoyed. Just as I would accept a situation where he wasn’t moved if the offers suck. Those are the two extremes. There’s a lot in the middle.
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okay.

yes, i'd also be annoyed if some extreme possibility were the case, I suppose.
 
Samuel said:
okay.

yes, i'd also be annoyed if some extreme possibility were the case, I suppose.
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So like this recent report from Stein about Brogdon wanting to stay and sign an extension. I like the dude but no. We cannot seriously entertain keeping four guards on this team. That shit would DEFINITELY annoy me.
 
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UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
God forbid we actually keep a guy who actually wants to be here. Why ruin our track record? If we have to drop a guard, let it be Simons. Brogdon is a far more complete player.
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Sure but I think there’s a far greater risk that we don’t get good value in a Simons trade. Brogdon is probably worth a FRP and that’s decent value for him. Simons is worth…. A young player? Who would we want? Simons is on a decent contract, he’s still really young and he can play both guard spots. I’m just not sure he’s worth trading, even though I’d rather have Scoot and Shae starting.
 
One more thing about Brogdon. He's been absolutely stoked about every place he's been for about a year. Then he HATES everything about that place and wants out. And right now he wants an extension, so he's on his best behavior. Saying and doing all the right things.

Again. The more I think about it, the more I think we need to move the guy if we can get a first rounder.
 
I am curious why do some of you want to trade Ant -- he is the team's best player well neck and neck with Grant but I would take Ant over Grant any day of the week if I was asked who I should keep between the two. Now I am not saying Ant does not have problems but instead of jumping on Ant maybe look at the coach who still coaches like Dame is still on the team only with Ant ,Grant etc so maybe the blame should be on him over the player.
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
I am curious why do some of you want to trade Ant -- he is the team's best player well neck and neck with Grant but I would take Ant over Grant any day of the week if I was asked who I should keep between the two. Now I am not saying Ant does not have problems but instead of jumping on Ant maybe look at the coach who still coaches like Dame is still on the team only with Ant ,Grant etc so maybe the blame should be on him over the player.
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If we assume that Scoot and Sharpe are the starting backcourt for this rebuild, there isn't a spot for Ant unless he's willing to come off the bench. Given his age and talent, that wouldn't make sense for him. So it makes more sense to clear the decks for the players to whom the organization is committed. Grant, though 5 years older, fits with Scoot/Sharpe. Ant just...doesn't.
 
The problem like i said is the coach over the players cause he is not putting them in the best spot to succeed cause Grant is a ball stopper a lot of the times but again how much is that on Grant and how much is this on the style we play cause of the coach. Also I like Billups but it's clear to me he is the problem on this team since we should be running much more then we are hell we are 29th ranked team on offense at least last i looked last night.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
If we assume that Scoot and Sharpe are the starting backcourt for this rebuild, there isn't a spot for Ant unless he's willing to come off the bench. Given his age and talent, that wouldn't make sense for him. So it makes more sense to clear the decks for the players to whom the organization is committed. Grant, though 5 years older, fits with Scoot/Sharpe. Ant just...doesn't.
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Why do we assume that then?

I'll take whichever 2/3 develop into the best player. There's no need to move any of them now, there's time to evaluate which ones to keep.
 
B-Roy said:
Why do we assume that then?

I'll take whichever 2/3 develop into the best player. There's no need to move any of them now, there's time to evaluate which ones to keep.
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Best player or best combo? Because I think it's entirely possible that Ant is a better individual player than either Scoot or Sharpe, while Scoot/Sharpe is a better guard pairing than Ant with either.
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
The problem like i said is the coach over the players cause he is not putting them in the best spot to succeed cause Grant is a ball stopper a lot of the times but again how much is that on Grant and how much is this on the style we play cause of the coach. Also I like Billups but it's clear to me he is the problem on this team since we should be running much more then we are hell we are 29th ranked team on offense at least last i looked last night.
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Yes. This is another reason to get a legit coach in ASAP.
 
B-Roy said:
Why do we assume that then?

I'll take whichever 2/3 develop into the best player. There's no need to move any of them now, there's time to evaluate which ones to keep.
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I don't think Simons ceiling is high enough to be a starting guard for a deep playoff team. And I don't think he'll be interested in coming off the bench here in Portland.

It would be cool if he proves me wrong, but I just don't see it.

But, I also agree. There is no need to fire sale him either. There are plenty of minutes for Simons, Sharpe, and Scoot. As long as we don't have another guard who needs big minutes.

We can trade the odd man out the next time we get a great offer.
 
Phatguysrule said:
There are plenty of minutes for Simons, Sharpe, and Scoot. As long as we don't have another guard who needs big minutes.

We can trade the odd man out the next time we get a great offer.
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If we deal Brogdon now, sure. But I kinda feel like Scoot/Sharpe/Brogdon makes more sense in the short and long term than Scoot/Ant/Sharpe.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Best player or best combo? Because I think it's entirely possible that Ant is a better individual player than either Scoot or Sharpe, while Scoot/Sharpe is a better guard pairing than Ant with either.
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Sure I agree with that, but the underlying assumption here is that we don’t know, but we have time to figure it out.

So I just don’t see the need to trade Ant right now, or operate under some assumption that Scoot/Sharpe are the 2/3 you decide to keep.
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
The problem like i said is the coach over the players cause he is not putting them in the best spot to succeed cause Grant is a ball stopper a lot of the times but again how much is that on Grant and how much is this on the style we play cause of the coach. Also I like Billups but it's clear to me he is the problem on this team since we should be running much more then we are hell we are 29th ranked team on offense at least last i looked last night.
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Yeah, those rankings tend to take a shit when you're playing most games with 2-3 rotation players injured on the bench, but sure, you can blame the coach.
 
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