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I would just like to have a coach that could figure out how to beat a trap.

Terry has had.... what.... five years? Still can't figure out how to beat this defense.
 
GDiama said:
Between him and Olshey I think Olshey needs to go first. Then let the new guy decide. Stotts has been underperforming for sure and has to go as well, but this time he was also dealt a very bad hand. Guy is forced to play Anfernee Simons and Hezonja in playoff games. He has to play Hassan+Nurk together like we are stuck in the 90s and you cannot really say it's a wrong choice. The roster construction is terrible really.
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That's not Olsheys fault that they dont have Ariza, Hood, and Collins.

It makes no sense when people use the injury excuse for Stotts and not for Olshey. It should be the opposite way around.
 
Tince said:
Someone find me 1 player who has played under Stotts that left Portland and was a major contributor to that team making the NBA finals.

Aldridge, our best player for a couple years, went to the Spurs to play for the best coach in the NBA, along side Kawhi, Gasol, Manu, and Parker. You know how many conference finals games Aldridge as won? ZERO.

Batum, Matthews, Harkless, Aminu, Ed Davis, Barton, Crabbe, Lopez, Hendersen, Plumlee, Turner, Kanter.

None of these guys, since leaving Portland have been on an NBA finals team. Some have had great teammates, great coaches, but the reality is, they weren't enough to take Portland to the finals and they haven't been enough anywhere else.

This is a talent issue, not a coaching issue.
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That's extremely specific.

I dont understand how you can watch clips like this and say its personnel and not coaching.


Combined this with the lack of offensive actions that I stated above, and yes, its 100% coaching.
 
AmirIcon said:
Did the Blazers even run an offensive set last night? Our offense is so undisciplined and that's from the coach who lets them jack up contested jumpers instead of actually running a play for a good shot. Nurk is criminally underutilized. He's our best passer and we don't run the offense through him. Stotts is hot garbage and we see coaches with a LOT LESS get better results.

Time to move the fuck on from this mediocrity.
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I think this is a pretty outdated view of NBA coaching. NBA coaches aren't like college coaches (which is why most college coaches crash and burn in the NBA). The best coaches, from Phil Jackson on, install a system, plug in players that they can trust, and then take a hands-off approach for the most part. The martinet, call plays every time down the court coach is a thing of the past. Every once in a while a coach tries it and he doesn't last. Boylen comes to mind.

Also: our "undisciplined" offense was the best in the bubble until it ran into a Lakers team that has a fantastic defense built around two all-league defenders.

This is the thing about Stotts: he's actually been amazingly adaptable in his time with us. When we've had the personnel, we've had really good defenses, even with a backcourt of Lillard and McCollum. But this year, on top of Lillard and McCollum, we had lead-footed Whiteside and old-as-dirt Melo. Pick who you think is the best defensive coach in history and see if he can make a silk purse out of THAT sow's arse. So what could he do but try to maximize our offense? And seems like he did a pretty damn good job of that, given our limitations.
 
Buffalo Custard said:
Sometimes, a coach doesn't have to be "better."

If you brought in a coach that was even comparable to Stotts, things would get better for a few seasons just because he would be a fresh voice, a new point-of-view, and bring that "new job" enthusiasm so many coaches lose after a few years with the same team.
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Ever worked at a job where the boss keeps changing all the time? Let me tell you, it's hard to be committed to that job and morale goes down the tank.

I guess it's hard for people to really accept that the rules of the NBA preclude any but a tiny subset of teams being contenders and luck plays a MASSIVE role. Makes it hard to have someone to blame.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I think this is a pretty outdated view of NBA coaching. NBA coaches aren't like college coaches (which is why most college coaches crash and burn in the NBA). The best coaches, from Phil Jackson on, install a system, plug in players that they can trust, and then take a hands-off approach for the most part. The martinet, call plays every time down the court coach is a thing of the past. Every once in a while a coach tries it and he doesn't last. Boylen comes to mind.

Also: our "undisciplined" offense was the best in the bubble until it ran into a Lakers team that has a fantastic defense built around two all-league defenders.

This is the thing about Stotts: he's actually been amazingly adaptable in his time with us. When we've had the personnel, we've had really good defenses, even with a backcourt of Lillard and McCollum. But this year, on top of Lillard and McCollum, we had lead-footed Whiteside and old-as-dirt Melo. Pick who you think is the best defensive coach in history and see if he can make a silk purse out of THAT sow's arse. So what could he do but try to maximize our offense? And seems like he did a pretty damn good job of that, given our limitations.
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Stotts system is basically pick n roll and isolation, aka rat ball.

I do agree with the establishment of a freelance system. Look at Steve Kerr's offense. Problem is Stotts system is absolute shit and the sets he does call doesnt outside any interior looks. It works most of the time due to our offensive talent, but against contending teams or against top notch defenses in the playoffs, it goes to shit.

And did you really say Stotts has been "amazingly adaptable"? Hahaha.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Also: our "undisciplined" offense was the best in the bubble until it ran into a Lakers team that has a fantastic defense built around two all-league defenders.
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but that seems to eventually happen every year in the playoffs for the Blazers

and wouldn't it be the case that the true test of an offense isn't when it faces unprepared weaker defenses in the regular season, but when it faces good focused defenses in the playoffs?
 
BonesJones said:
That's not Olsheys fault that they dont have Ariza, Hood, and Collins.

It makes no sense when people use the injury excuse for Stotts and not for Olshey. It should be the opposite way around.
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I agree,but during summer we were reading about the all star in the making Anfernee Simons and the perfect bench facilitator Hezonja. Luckily Trent stepped up, but I wonder who can really handle the ball in this roster? Certainly not Hood or Ariza. We are missing something. We should have signed a decent backup guard.
 
wizenheimer said:
but that seems to eventually happen every year in the playoffs for the Blazers
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You mean we get beaten by teams that are generally agreed to be better than us (like the Warriors last year). This is an improvement over basically the past 20 years of the Blazers, when we would lose to teams that weren't, if we made it at all. Even the Drexler Blazers got upset by an inferior Lakers team at the height of their powers.
 
GDiama said:
I agree,but during summer we were reading about the all star in the making Anfernee Simons and the perfect bench facilitator Hezonja. Luckily Trent stepped up, but I wonder who can really handle the ball in this roster? Certainly not Hood or Ariza. We are missing something. We should have signed a decent backup guard.
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We must be reading different things.
 
BonesJones said:
Stotts system is basically pick n roll and isolation, aka rat ball.
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How has he fooled all these people in the NBA coaching fraternity? How is it that only YOU have managed to see that the emperor has no clothes? Kudos!
 
Dom McBlazer said:
Too many times, this team almost forgets how to play basketball in the third quarter.
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Somebody should isolate all teams' stats for each quarter - if we're not the worst in the league in the third it'll be pretty amazing. But that means we're probably among the best teams in the league in 3 out of 4 quarters!
 
Rastapopoulos said:
How has he fooled all these people in the NBA coaching fraternity? How is it that only YOU have managed to see that the emperor has no clothes? Kudos!
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Surface level argument. Stotts is a nice guy. Coaches rave about all their peers. I've heard more respect given to David Fizdale. Guess we should hire him if all that matters in regards to coaching is what other people say.

Cut out the prop arguments. Discuss basketball instead.
 
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Tince said:
Someone find me 1 player who has played under Stotts that left Portland and was a major contributor to that team making the NBA finals.

Aldridge, our best player for a couple years, went to the Spurs to play for the best coach in the NBA, along side Kawhi, Gasol, Manu, and Parker. You know how many conference finals games Aldridge as won? ZERO.

Batum, Matthews, Harkless, Aminu, Ed Davis, Barton, Crabbe, Lopez, Hendersen, Plumlee, Turner, Kanter.

None of these guys, since leaving Portland have been on an NBA finals team. Some have had great teammates, great coaches, but the reality is, they weren't enough to take Portland to the finals and they haven't been enough anywhere else.

This is a talent issue, not a coaching issue.
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im thinking it’s both
 
I'm thinking going from David Vanterpool to Jannero Pargo might have been a downgrade....Nate is the defensive coordinator now and if I changed anything it would be that role on the bench...find Stotts a better defensive coordinator. Bill Laimbeer type...I'd start there
 
BonesJones said:
That's extremely specific.

I dont understand how you can watch clips like this and say its personnel and not coaching.


Combined this with the lack of offensive actions that I stated above, and yes, its 100% coaching.
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I'm either too vague or too specific. Can't win either way.

You'd think with all this championship talent people believe Stotts has had over his tenure, that at last one of his former players would've hooked up with another coach or teammates where their contribution would have push their teams over the top. Instead there seems to be a lot more examples of players who Stotts managed to make decent contributors, went to another team and they were far less successful.

If it were 100% coaching, why aren't there a bunch of examples of marginal players under Stotts going on to be top quality starters elsewhere? You'd think all those other amazing NBA coaches would be able to do more with talent than him, right?
 
BonesJones said:
Did we run any sets with a designed cut to the rim? Did we run any cross-screens, backscreens, UCLA cuts?
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Yes we did run cuts to the rim.

Maybe some would be happy if we ran flex and screen-down/screen across, I don't know.
 
BoomChakaLaka said:
im thinking it’s both
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There are certainly better coaches than Stotts, I won't disagree with you there.

It's interesting how these amazing coaches like Mike Brown and Ty Lue are NBA finals caliber coaches when they have the best player in the league, but they're crap coaches when they don't have the best player. If coaching plays such a large role in wins/losses, why do teams records fluctuate so much more with major roster changes than during coaching changes?
 
Tince said:
There are certainly better coaches than Stotts, I won't disagree with you there.

It's interesting how these amazing coaches like Mike Brown and Ty Lue are NBA finals caliber coaches when they have the best player in the league, but they're crap coaches when they don't have the best player. If coaching plays such a large role in wins/losses, why do teams records fluctuate so much more with major roster changes than during coaching changes?
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Does Stotts not have a top five player on the team he coaches? Sorry I must’ve missed it when the Blazers traded away Lillard. SMH.
 
brooklynballer said:
Does Stotts not have a top five player on the team he coaches? Sorry I must’ve missed it when the Blazers traded away Lillard. SMH.
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Are the Blazers not missing two starters and one of those starter’s replacement? Does anyone think that the combination of Dame and CJ (especially with both dinged up) has more impact on success than LeBron and AD? Do coaches matter more than the rosters they have available?
 
e_blazer said:
Are the Blazers not missing two starters and one of those starter’s replacement? Does anyone think that the combination of Dame and CJ (especially with both dinged up) has more impact on success than LeBron and AD? Do coaches matter more than the rosters they have available?
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He was comparing Stotts to Ty Lue - who, say what you want about his coaching ability, actually guided the 2015-16 Cavs to a championship that year. Will Stotts ever sniff a Finals even (let alone a championship) in his head coaching career?
 
brooklynballer said:
He was comparing Stotts to Ty Lue - who, say what you want about his coaching ability, actually guided the 2015-16 Cavs to a championship that year. Will Stotts ever sniff a Finals even (let alone a championship) in his head coaching career?
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Will Olshey ever get another player close to Dame’s caliber on the roster?
 
brooklynballer said:
He was comparing Stotts to Ty Lue - who, say what you want about his coaching ability, actually guided the 2015-16 Cavs to a championship that year. Will Stotts ever sniff a Finals even (let alone a championship) in his head coaching career?
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I think he will with Dame here in Portland....Lue had a player coach as did Brown in Lebron...Lebron takes over his teams...I don't think winning a championship is what makes someone a great coach...I think that's having all the pieces in place at the right time and health...we'll see. I know with Hood, Ariza and Collins healthy we're alot deeper on the bench than we are without them
 
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