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e_blazer said:
Will Olshey ever get another player close to Dame’s caliber on the roster?
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I think Nurk is pretty close to that when healthy and in game shape...we really need Hood or Ariza to take the defensive assignments away from CJ or Dame so they have fresh legs on offense
At full strength we're so much deeper than we are now in the bubble or even throughout this regular season
 
brooklynballer said:
Does Stotts not have a top five player on the team he coaches? Sorry I must’ve missed it when the Blazers traded away Lillard. SMH.
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Stotts doesn't have a 4 time MVP, let alone a player who has won MVP once. Nor has he had a 2nd all-star to surround Lillard with in 5 years.

Please make a list of 6'1" players who were their teams best player, had no current all-stars for teammates, and won a championship that year. It just doesn't happen, for a reason.
 
brooklynballer said:
He was comparing Stotts to Ty Lue - who, say what you want about his coaching ability, actually guided the 2015-16 Cavs to a championship that year. Will Stotts ever sniff a Finals even (let alone a championship) in his head coaching career?
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I think you just made my point for you. You recognize that Ty Lue isn't a great coach, yet he still won a championship. Why? Because it's not the coaches that win the championship, it's the players!
 
riverman said:
I think Nurk is pretty close to that when healthy and in game shape...we really need Hood or Ariza to take the defensive assignments away from CJ or Dame so they have fresh legs on offense
At full strength we're so much deeper than we are now in the bubble or even throughout this regular season
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Yeah Damian is literally a MVP candidate type player. Nurkic when in game shape he’s an all star candidate. CJ has never been an all star candidate, maybe if he had his own team. This is why we need to trade CJ. He only play well when Damian is having an off night. He doesn’t play defense well at all. This is why I am in favor of trading CJ for someone like Harris who can play the 4 next to Nurkic. We need a legit floor spacer next to Nurk. Harris also play decent defense while Trent would step into a starter at SG and give us a tough 3D type guy at that spot. A starting lineup of Damian, Trent, Hood/Ariza, Harris, and Nurkic is legitimately dangerous with a bench of Hood/Ariza, Collins, and other through draft and FA
 
damianlillard said:
Yeah Damian is literally a MVP candidate type player. Nurkic when in game shape he’s an all star candidate. CJ has never been an all star candidate, maybe if he had his own team. This is why we need to trade CJ. He only play well when Damian is having an off night. He doesn’t play defense well at all. This is why I am in favor of trading CJ for someone like Harris who can play the 4 next to Nurkic. We need a legit floor spacer next to Nurk. Harris also play decent defense while Trent would step into a starter at SG and give us a tough 3D type guy at that spot. A starting lineup of Damian, Trent, Hood/Ariza, Harris, and Nurkic is legitimately dangerous with a bench of Hood/Ariza, Collins, and other through draft and FA
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We need multiple all-stars around Dame, not all-star candidates. I'll bet anyone CJ nor Nurk will ever make an all-star team in their career. I'm not saying they're bad players, but they're not all-star players. They'll be in the 30-50 range most years.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Brett Brown - soon to be available!
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If he can't get out of the East with 2 All-Stars and another top 50 player, I can only imagine the difference he'd make with 1 all-star in a much more difficult West.
 
riverman said:
I think Nurk is pretty close to that when healthy and in game shape...we really need Hood or Ariza to take the defensive assignments away from CJ or Dame so they have fresh legs on offense
At full strength we're so much deeper than we are now in the bubble or even throughout this regular season
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I agree with that. I think the Clyde era Blazers were able to nearly win a title with one legit superstar and a bunch of really good supporting players. The Blazers seem to be aiming for that model again. It could work, if CJ and Nurk are both able to add to their games.
 
e_blazer said:
I agree with that. I think the Clyde era Blazers were able to nearly win a title with one legit superstar and a bunch of really good supporting players. The Blazers seem to be aiming for that model again. It could work, if CJ and Nurk are both able to add to their games.
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that team was filled with two-way players. They didn't have any lock-down defenders except for Buck Williams who was great. But the other starters could all play decent defense, even Duckworth, and they were physical. And they had guys like Cliff Robinson, Wayne Cooper, Drazen Petrovich, Danny Young, and Danny Ainge coming off the bench

CJ would not have started for that team. He'd been more like a 6th or 7th or 8th man
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I'd also say "at full strength" seems a little like a mirage. It's really rare for any team to be at full strength. Portland sure has problems being that way since 2014-15. Some rotation player always seems to be out or hobbling or playing injured. Nature of the beast

and the Hood we saw for 20 games this season might not ever show up again after that ruptured Achilles. I'd think Ariza will be back, assuming there is a season, but if the cap drops drastically, as many are predicting, Portland might not want to pay him the full guarantee
 
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Tince said:
Almost zero chance.
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there's zero chance if Olshey never takes a risk

Portland had a chance for a much better 2nd banana when PG13 was being shopped. They reportedly offered all 3 drafts picks in 2017, and that was implicitly confirmed by Olshey. But he also implicitly said CJ was untouchable in that trade....which was fucking nuts. I actually saw him say something like "why would we trade CJ for Paul George when we want CJ to play with Paul George"....oh boy

so that likely means it was probably an offer like Harkless, Meyers, and 3 non-lottery picks for George. If so, basically Olshey wasn't serious
 
wizenheimer said:
there's zero chance if Olshey never takes a risk

Portland had a chance for a much better 2nd banana when PG13 was being shopped. They reportedly offered all 3 drafts picks in 2017, and that was implicitly confirmed by Olshey. But he also implicitly said CJ was untouchable in that trade....which was fucking nuts. I actually saw him say something like "why would we trade CJ for Paul George when we want CJ to play with Paul George"....oh boy

so that likely means it was probably an offer like Harkless, Meyers, and 3 non-lottery picks for George. If so, basically Olshey wasn't serious
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I believe Crabbe was also offered in that deal
 
Tince said:
I'm either too vague or too specific. Can't win either way.

You'd think with all this championship talent people believe Stotts has had over his tenure, that at last one of his former players would've hooked up with another coach or teammates where their contribution would have push their teams over the top. Instead there seems to be a lot more examples of players who Stotts managed to make decent contributors, went to another team and they were far less successful.

If it were 100% coaching, why aren't there a bunch of examples of marginal players under Stotts going on to be top quality starters elsewhere? You'd think all those other amazing NBA coaches would be able to do more with talent than him, right?
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Me: Look at what Stotts is setting up offensively in this series
You: BUT players who play for other teams who used to play for Stotts arent great so...

You want to deflect away what's happening on the court in favor of broad, subjective, irrelevant talking points.
 
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Tince said:
Stotts doesn't have a 4 time MVP, let alone a player who has won MVP once. Nor has he had a 2nd all-star to surround Lillard with in 5 years.

Please make a list of 6'1" players who were their teams best player, had no current all-stars for teammates, and won a championship that year. It just doesn't happen, for a reason.
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Downplaying how good Dame is to defend Stotts? Haha.
 
At this point I don't know why people defend Terry.

If you stuck prime Michael Jordan on this team with our shit cast and Terry, we would make the playoffs every year. Would we win a title? Nope.
 
Tince said:
Yes we did run cuts to the rim.

Maybe some would be happy if we ran flex and screen-down/screen across, I don't know.
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Uh, just because you say it happened doesnt mean it did. I've been looking for certain actions all series long. They're not there.
 
Tince said:
I think you just made my point for you. You recognize that Ty Lue isn't a great coach, yet he still won a championship. Why? Because it's not the coaches that win the championship, it's the players!
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I 100% disagree. Yes LeBron was a stud that year but an argument could me made that Lillard is playing just as well this year and certainly has been in the MVP discussion. Kyrie, though an all star at the time, has proven to be maybe slightly more effective on the offensive end than CJ this year, but with the same limitations on defense. And don’t get me started on K-Love - if he’s so good why does nobody want him on the Blazers? Empty stats. I actually think Nurk right now might be a better player than KLove during the championship season. So the talent is comparable. The rest of The Cavs roster are a bunch of role players much like what the Blazers have currently. Lue may not be the best coach in the world but he maximized the talents of the players on that roster. Has Stotts EVER done that?

Further to my point, why was David Blatt fired that same season, if only talent matters? Cuz he wasn’t getting it done. Period.
 
wizenheimer said:
there's zero chance if Olshey never takes a risk

Portland had a chance for a much better 2nd banana when PG13 was being shopped. They reportedly offered all 3 drafts picks in 2017, and that was implicitly confirmed by Olshey. But he also implicitly said CJ was untouchable in that trade....which was fucking nuts. I actually saw him say something like "why would we trade CJ for Paul George when we want CJ to play with Paul George"....oh boy
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We'd be down 0-3 in this series with Playoff P as our 2nd option.
 
BonesJones said:
You said I don't see anything wrong with his post as if I said there was something "wrong" with his post.

Idk why your playing games Sly. I'll go back underground.
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Seriously man, I'm not playing games with you. I did tease you a little on this:

Did I say it was against forum rules?
Did I say you said it was against the forum rules?

If that is what is upsetting I fully, completely, and publicly apologize to you.

I have no issues or problems with you. I totally understand that you do with me and that's fine. I'm not asking you to go anywhere or not post anywhere.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Seriously man, I'm not playing games with you. I did tease you a little on this:

Did I say it was against forum rules?
Did I say you said it was against the forum rules?

If that is what is upsetting I fully, completely, and publicly apologize to you.

I have no issues or problems with you. I totally understand that you do with me and that's fine. I'm not asking you to go anywhere or not post anywhere.
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Slypokerdog is an ASSHOLE!
 
brooklynballer said:
I 100% disagree. Yes LeBron was a stud that year but an argument could me made that Lillard is playing just as well this year and certainly has been in the MVP discussion. Kyrie, though an all star at the time, has proven to be maybe slightly more effective on the offensive end than CJ this year, but with the same limitations on defense. And don’t get me started on K-Love - if he’s so good why does nobody want him on the Blazers? Empty stats. I actually think Nurk right now might be a better player than KLove during the championship season. So the talent is comparable. The rest of The Cavs roster are a bunch of role players much like what the Blazers have currently. Lue may not be the best coach in the world but he maximized the talents of the players on that roster. Has Stotts EVER done that?

Further to my point, why was David Blatt fired that same season, if only talent matters? Cuz he wasn’t getting it done. Period.
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So you think Dame is THE best player in the leagues and Nurk is all-star status like Love was? If you rate those guys that high, then I understand why you are dissapointed.

Stotts took a roster with Aminu, Harkless, Kanter, Meyers, and Curry (and no Nurk) to the WCF last year. None of those players who left have lit the world on fire this year under a new coach have they? If he didn't get the most out of those guys, then neither has any of thier coaches this year.

Again, of the 30 players or so who have left Portland/Stotts over the past few years, how many of them have been significantly better on their new teams? 10%? 20%? If Stotts was garbage, I'd assume that number would be at 80% or more.
 
BonesJones said:
Downplaying how good Dame is to defend Stotts? Haha.
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Facts my friend. I noticed you didnt' give me a laundry list of teams that have won it all with that roster make up, and for good reason.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Seriously man, I'm not playing games with you. I did tease you a little on this:

Did I say it was against forum rules?
Did I say you said it was against the forum rules?

If that is what is upsetting I fully, completely, and publicly apologize to you.

I have no issues or problems with you. I totally understand that you do with me and that's fine. I'm not asking you to go anywhere or not post anywhere.
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I have no issues with you whatsoever and I'm not upset just seems like your yanking my chain lol.
 
Tince said:
Facts my friend. I noticed you didnt' give me a laundry list of teams that have won it all with that roster make up, and for good reason.
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Regardless, what does that have to do with the fact that Stotts is running an extended 2-1-2 running Dame towards the halfcourt corner against the trap?
 
BonesJones said:
Regardless, what does that have to do with the fact that Stotts is running an extended 2-1-2 running Dame towards the halfcourt corner against the trap?
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It has nothing to do with Stotts running a 2-1-2, I never said it did.
 
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