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WesleyMatthews said:
You're right, Telfair was a much superior NBA player his first few seasons. We dont know if Simmons will be worthy of a roster spot as Telfair was.
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He should have been, he was a lotto pick. People seem to forget that Simons wasn't a lotto pick.

I don't know if I'd say he was "much superior", as he was given a completely different opportunity. He started 50+ games and was given consistent minutes even though he couldn't shoot to save his life.
 
julius said:
Simons might not be the player Olshey tried to pass him off as, but he's definitely not Sebastian Telfair.

Maybe having a coach who plays Simons to his strengths would be a good start. It's similar to how PJ tried to force James Robinson to be a PG, when he clearly wasn't (not saying Simons clearly isn't a PG like Robinson wasn't, but his strengths aren't being a PG first and foremost. But having him just shoot 3's after waiting in the corner aren't taking advantage of his skillset).

And yes I know his position was listed as a PG, but James Robinson wasn't a true PG.
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Hollywood!!....blasts from the past award for Wednesday goes to Julius

for fun, 2nd year stats:

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comparisons to Telfair and Robinson aren't the type of 3rd year discussions you want for Simons
 
The funny part with Simons is last year to start the season he was actually pretty decent that first few weeks or so. Since then though he has fallen off a cliff. Completely useless
 
wizenheimer said:
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That's a pretty brutal indictment on Simons. He's even worse defensively.
 
julius said:
He should have been, he was a lotto pick. People seem to forget that Simons wasn't a lotto pick.

I don't know if I'd say he was "much superior", as he was given a completely different opportunity. He started 50+ games and was given consistent minutes even though he couldn't shoot to save his life.
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Plenty of lotto picks are complete busts, it doesn't entitle a player to multi year roles.

People forget Telfair played over 500 games and started in Boston and Minnesota. Simons hasn't shown he has that potential.

I'm not arguing Telfair was a good solution to anything... but as bad as Telfair was he was clearly superior to Simons.

Can Simons change that? Sure, but he needs to improve or Telfair will go down as the superior player.
 
Telfair, for all his faults, was still a true point guard.

Simons doesn't resemble anything even remotely similar to a point guard.
 
I tried to go look up Qyntel Woods stats at poitn guard but 82games didn't have that year.
 
Telfair had at least one legitimate NBA skill--he was an extremely skilled passer. He wasn't an efficient scorer, he wasn't much of a rebounder and he couldn't play defense--but all those things are true of Simons, too, and he doesn't have even the one standout skill. That's why I don't expect Simons to stick in the NBA. Even if you aren't a good overall player, if you have one signature skill to hang your hat on, that you can do at an NBA level, you can have a minor career in the league. But without that, you'd better be a good player all-around.
 
BonesJones said:
Philly won't trade him for anything other than an instant upgrade.
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The thing is, that I would then take Maxey or Seth too. What I'm getting at is they have a gluttony of guards that can bring the ball up and would be an upgrade for us at backup PG. Of course I think they see Maxey as having a higher upside than Shake and Seth being more important to their current success. They also have another guard in Thybulle that I think they value a lot and Ferguson and Danny Green have to get minutes at the wing spots, not to mention Isiah Joe who is getting minutes. So I don't think they need any immediate upgrades. I really think they would take draft picks that they could package with a player in the future for an upgrade at that time.
 
Hopefully let him build some trade value by the deadline...as it is....we'd be selling really low to trade him now
 
Minstrel said:
Telfair had at least one legitimate NBA skill--he was an extremely skilled passer. He wasn't an efficient scorer, he wasn't much of a rebounder and he couldn't play defense--but all those things are true of Simons, too, and he doesn't have even the one standout skill. That's why I don't expect Simons to stick in the NBA. Even if you aren't a good overall player, if you have one signature skill to hang your hat on, that you can do at an NBA level, you can have a minor career in the league. But without that, you'd better be a good player all-around.
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He's good at jumping
 
blazerkor said:
If this is a question, I'll go with option B. I know you are big on Melo but I think RoCo is going to start hitting his threes, his career numbers are proof enough for me. So I'll take a 3 and D guy over an iso and very little D guy. I also realize that this is a depth chart but I still doubt that Nas gets much time. I think Hood will get most of the minutes behind both Trent and DJJ.
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Iso is Melo’s downfall. My rationale is that he is tempted more while playing on the second unit. Can he run hard, rebound, take a couple solid ISO’s while as a starter? Might this spread the court more for our guards? Then after 4-6 minutes, he’s first to sit and you bring in RoCo and perhaps Hood to replace Trent (unless he’s on a tear) - this option is worth a test drive in my opinion. As it stands, if Dame is your only real scoring threat...they double-team him and we fall behind. Melo comes in off the bench thinking he’s gotta get us caught up all by himself. So inserting Melo as the starter (for a short burn) then RoCo enters to apply D, perhaps we won’t fall behind by 20 points every game? An idea
 
Damn this dude might be a little spendy come this summer. We might have a Gary Trent situation where we have no choice to trade him this deadline..

Are we really going to pay a lot of money to 4 guards under 6’4? (Dame, Cj, Powell, Ant)

Some crazy team might give Ant 80M for 4 years if they feel he could be their starting guard.

Wish we locked him in for cheap
 
AldoTrapani said:
Damn this dude might be a little spendy come this summer. We might have a Gary Trent situation where we have no choice to trade him this deadline..

Are we really going to pay a lot of money to 4 guards under 6’4? (Dame, Cj, Powell, Ant)

Some crazy team might give Ant 80M for 4 years if they feel he could be their starting guard.

Wish we locked him in for cheap
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trade cj. Keep ant. Helps the ling term cap for portland and he looks like he can be just as good and possible a better overall defender with his longer arms.
 
awesome story .

https://theathletic.com/2918414/202...simons-showing-hes-more-than-a-cereal-killer/

It was after one particularly nondescript performance in his second season that Simons was summoned by his trainer, Phil Beckner, for an evening workout. The night before, Simons was given extended minutes by then-coach Terry Stotts, which at the time was a rare opportunity.

Simons did little to nothing with his playing time, so when the two arrived at the Blazers’ practice facility for an evening session, Beckner had a purpose. He planned to work Simons’ mind as much as putting him through skills and drills.

“He was playing only a little bit, but it wasn’t because of talent or ability,” Beckner said. “It was his mindset. He wasn’t prepared, and he wasn’t going out there to kick somebody’s ass.”

Beckner is the former college assistant coach of Blazers All-Star Damian Lillard. He has since become Lillard’s full-time trainer. He has helped mold Lillard’s killer mentality, and he has done it with tough love — pushing, prodding and challenging Lillard as he has become one of the NBA’s best players.

Beckner was planning on using some of that same tough love as he and Simons took a seat on the metal benches on the sidelines of the Blazers’ practice court. He had cut some clips from the game the night before, when Simons was ordinary, and he figured the two would watch them and then work out.

But first, he intended to light a fire under Simons. He didn’t hold back.

He told him Stotts gave him his chance, and he wasn’t ready. He was normal. Normal, Beckner told Simons, was not good enough. He told him to look at Lillard and CJ McCollum, and how they come to practice to embarrass the man in front of them. You are coming to practice just to survive. They enter the game to attack. You enter just to be normal.

“I gave him this whole motivational speech, some real Vince Lombardi stuff,” Beckner said. “I’m upset. I’m yelling at him that a switch has to flip. You have to show me how much you want this! You have to show Stotts how much you want this! You have to show the world how much you want this!”

Simons sat and looked at Beckner.

“I’ve got you,” Beckner remembers him saying.

“And I was like, ‘No, Ant. This is where the rubber meets the road. This is where you put a stake in the ground. It’s time, Ant. It’s frickin’ time,'” Beckner said.

Said Simons: “He was trying to pump me up. Trying to give me confidence.”

It was 15 minutes of fire and brimstone, and in Beckner’s mind it was probably some of his best stuff. He figured this would be the moment that sparked Simons. This would be the moment when Simons started seeing himself as an assassin like Lillard and McCollum.

Beckner asked Simons if he was ready to watch the video clips from the night before.

“Most guys would have been, ‘Let’s fucking go! I don’t need the clips; let’s work,” Beckner said.

Simons? He had a question.

“He looks at me and says, ‘Can we watch (the video clips) in there?” Beckner said.

Simons was pointing to the Blazers’ dining room. Beckner was confused. What? Why?

“I want to eat some cereal real quick,” Simons said.

Beckner lost his mind.

“I remember it like it was yesterday,” Beckner said. “My jaw dropped. My initial thought was this was never going to work. I was just … stunned. ‘Can I go eat cereal?’ Not steak. Not potatoes. Cereal. CEREAL!”

He turned his back and started walking away. Then whipped back around.

“ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!?” Beckner roared. “I just told you what Dame and CJ do — they rip out throats — and you want to go eat CEREAL!”

Simons sat silent. Beckner continued to roar.

“JESUS FUCKING CHR … I can’t fucking do this!” Beckner said. “I don’t care how much you pay me, I’m not going to keep training you. I can’t do it.”

He threw up his hands and again turned his back.

“He was pretty upset I said that,” Simons recalled on Wednesday. “He walked away. He threatened to not work me out. Well, I didn’t know. I was just hungry and innocent. I can’t work out if I don’t eat.”

Beckner never quit on Simons. And this summer, Simons finally navigated that corner Beckner was hoping he would turn two years ago. He knew a change in Simons had taken place before the summer started.

“Usually, he would train with me here and there,” Beckner said. “And at the start of the summer he wanted to know where I was going to be. I told him either Phoenix or Portland. So I asked him where he was going to be. His answer: ‘Wherever you are at.”’

Lillard said that no matter where he went to work out with Beckner this summer — Phoenix, Utah, Portland, Las Vegas — there Simons would be.

It was quite the change from the first three years of Simons’ career training with Beckner.

“At first, it was Phil trying to get it out of him,” Lillard said of the commitment to work. “And then this summer I noticed Ant following him everywhere, getting his work in. It didn’t have to be convenient for him, he was seeking it out.”

Almost too much, Beckner said.

Beckner said he took a vacation to Las Vegas this summer, but before he could relax, Simons was on his scent.

“That motherfucker followed me there and made me work him out in Vegas,” Beckner said. “It even got to the point where it was, ‘No, no, no … Saturday is my day off. You can work out with one of my assistants.’ And you know what? He got up at eight in the morning and worked out with one of my assistants. He went from ‘Can I get some cereal?’ to I am following you to Las Vegas and making you work me out.”
 
illmatic99 said:
awesome story .

https://theathletic.com/2918414/202...simons-showing-hes-more-than-a-cereal-killer/

It was after one particularly nondescript performance in his second season that Simons was summoned by his trainer, Phil Beckner, for an evening workout. The night before, Simons was given extended minutes by then-coach Terry Stotts, which at the time was a rare opportunity.

Simons did little to nothing with his playing time, so when the two arrived at the Blazers’ practice facility for an evening session, Beckner had a purpose. He planned to work Simons’ mind as much as putting him through skills and drills.

“He was playing only a little bit, but it wasn’t because of talent or ability,” Beckner said. “It was his mindset. He wasn’t prepared, and he wasn’t going out there to kick somebody’s ass.”

Beckner is the former college assistant coach of Blazers All-Star Damian Lillard. He has since become Lillard’s full-time trainer. He has helped mold Lillard’s killer mentality, and he has done it with tough love — pushing, prodding and challenging Lillard as he has become one of the NBA’s best players.

Beckner was planning on using some of that same tough love as he and Simons took a seat on the metal benches on the sidelines of the Blazers’ practice court. He had cut some clips from the game the night before, when Simons was ordinary, and he figured the two would watch them and then work out.

But first, he intended to light a fire under Simons. He didn’t hold back.

He told him Stotts gave him his chance, and he wasn’t ready. He was normal. Normal, Beckner told Simons, was not good enough. He told him to look at Lillard and CJ McCollum, and how they come to practice to embarrass the man in front of them. You are coming to practice just to survive. They enter the game to attack. You enter just to be normal.

“I gave him this whole motivational speech, some real Vince Lombardi stuff,” Beckner said. “I’m upset. I’m yelling at him that a switch has to flip. You have to show me how much you want this! You have to show Stotts how much you want this! You have to show the world how much you want this!”

Simons sat and looked at Beckner.

“I’ve got you,” Beckner remembers him saying.

“And I was like, ‘No, Ant. This is where the rubber meets the road. This is where you put a stake in the ground. It’s time, Ant. It’s frickin’ time,'” Beckner said.

Said Simons: “He was trying to pump me up. Trying to give me confidence.”

It was 15 minutes of fire and brimstone, and in Beckner’s mind it was probably some of his best stuff. He figured this would be the moment that sparked Simons. This would be the moment when Simons started seeing himself as an assassin like Lillard and McCollum.

Beckner asked Simons if he was ready to watch the video clips from the night before.

“Most guys would have been, ‘Let’s fucking go! I don’t need the clips; let’s work,” Beckner said.

Simons? He had a question.

“He looks at me and says, ‘Can we watch (the video clips) in there?” Beckner said.

Simons was pointing to the Blazers’ dining room. Beckner was confused. What? Why?

“I want to eat some cereal real quick,” Simons said.

Beckner lost his mind.

“I remember it like it was yesterday,” Beckner said. “My jaw dropped. My initial thought was this was never going to work. I was just … stunned. ‘Can I go eat cereal?’ Not steak. Not potatoes. Cereal. CEREAL!”

He turned his back and started walking away. Then whipped back around.

“ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!?” Beckner roared. “I just told you what Dame and CJ do — they rip out throats — and you want to go eat CEREAL!”

Simons sat silent. Beckner continued to roar.

“JESUS FUCKING CHR … I can’t fucking do this!” Beckner said. “I don’t care how much you pay me, I’m not going to keep training you. I can’t do it.”

He threw up his hands and again turned his back.

“He was pretty upset I said that,” Simons recalled on Wednesday. “He walked away. He threatened to not work me out. Well, I didn’t know. I was just hungry and innocent. I can’t work out if I don’t eat.”

Beckner never quit on Simons. And this summer, Simons finally navigated that corner Beckner was hoping he would turn two years ago. He knew a change in Simons had taken place before the summer started.

“Usually, he would train with me here and there,” Beckner said. “And at the start of the summer he wanted to know where I was going to be. I told him either Phoenix or Portland. So I asked him where he was going to be. His answer: ‘Wherever you are at.”’

Lillard said that no matter where he went to work out with Beckner this summer — Phoenix, Utah, Portland, Las Vegas — there Simons would be.

It was quite the change from the first three years of Simons’ career training with Beckner.

“At first, it was Phil trying to get it out of him,” Lillard said of the commitment to work. “And then this summer I noticed Ant following him everywhere, getting his work in. It didn’t have to be convenient for him, he was seeking it out.”

Almost too much, Beckner said.

Beckner said he took a vacation to Las Vegas this summer, but before he could relax, Simons was on his scent.

“That motherfucker followed me there and made me work him out in Vegas,” Beckner said. “It even got to the point where it was, ‘No, no, no … Saturday is my day off. You can work out with one of my assistants.’ And you know what? He got up at eight in the morning and worked out with one of my assistants. He went from ‘Can I get some cereal?’ to I am following you to Las Vegas and making you work me out.”
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Dame and CJ are serial assassins and Ant is a cereal assassin.
 
Boy, this thread (especially some posts in particular) aged really really well.
 
julius said:
Boy, this thread (especially some posts in particular) aged really really well.
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Yeah, posts and threads created by the OP tend to age like 2 Buck Chuck instead of a fine French Bordeaux.
 
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