What will it take for Chauncey to get fired?

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How can you fire a guy that has a g league roster and new players every year. I can’t tell if he can coach or not, hell if it’s based on wins and losses the last 3 seasons Pop should also be fired lol.
 
Chris Craig said:
Yeah, Stotts fucked us over bad that series. Before then, no one was guarding Dame like that. After that, every game till he was traded he was being guarded like that. Stotts couldn't figure it out in those playoffs and he couldn't figure out how to adjust after it. He did start playing Nurk high post towards the end of his tenure, but it was two dimensional play because Nurk would high post, rotate outside the arc and never back to the basket. It wasn't very functional. Then Dame just said fuck it and was shooting quicker, right in people's faces or at times just staying away from the ball. This continued into Billups reign as his focus was defense.
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Bigger problem was Dame typically played along side very limited forwards; very few could both shoot and dribble/pass. This severly handcuffed the available strategies to combat these aggressive double teams.
 
dviss1 said:
Go back and watch the games. There was never one time in that series where Terry flashed a ANY of our bigs to receive a pass in the high post. He KEPT running pick and roll after pick and roll.

Same as the GSW series.
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This is not accurate. I'd have to go back and watch the NOP series, but the last GSW series was not even close to being all PnR. By the end, Dame was rarely using any 1/5 on-ball screens.
 
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Samuel said:
I think there's a difference between 'fire stotts!' and 'get a new guy in, it's getting stale', no?
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I think there is a difference.

What some of us warned is that making change because something was stale was unlikely to produce better results and could possibly produce worse results. I never felt making a change because some felt being good(ish) was broing made much sense. I think fans typically greatly over-estimate the probabilty of change turning out far better and under-estimate the probabily of it turning out far worse.
 
Tince said:
This is not accurate. I'd have to go back and watch the NOP series, but the last GSW series was not even close to being all PnR. By the end, Dame was rarely using any 1/5 on-ball screens.
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We remember differently. And understand that a dribble handoff is basically a pick and roll. our bigs did them religiously in Terry's offense. Just another way to get our guards trapped.

Again, he never consistently got Nurk into the high post to run cutters (which is the easy remedy to avoid trapping defenses) to attack the rim. Terry relied on Dame and CJ to do pick and roll, dribble handoff, and 1 on 1 play. We won't even get into his horrible defensive scheme but let's not act like that side of the floor didn't require us to rely on hero ball.

1000% Terry Stotts fault.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
...despite having demonstrably less talent.
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This is true but we matched up well with GSW defensively. Terry just ran a horrible scheme. We compounded less talent by not being able to adjust to trapping defenses.

We were whooping GSW's ass in those first halves (in every WCF game), only to faulter in the 2nd half because of Terry's inability to adjust to the half court trap.
 
dviss1 said:
We remember differently. And understand that a dribble handoff is basically a pick and roll. our bigs did them religiously in Terry's offense. Just another way to get our guards trapped.

Again, he never consistently got Nurk into the high post to run cutters (which is the easy remedy to avoid trapping defenses) to attack the rim. Terry relied on Dame and CJ to do pick and roll, dribble handoff, and 1 on 1 play. We won't even get into his horrible defensive scheme but let's not act like that side of the floor didn't require us to rely on hero ball.

1000% Terry Stotts fault.
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There's video proof that what you said is inaccurate. I remember that last Golden State game where we were running Dame off flare and curl screens off the ball. Here, I just pulled a highlight from the game. Your memory that it was "pick and roll after pick and roll" is wrong. Repeating an incorrect narrative with confidence only makes the other assessments less believable.



Amazing a team with Dame, CJ and roster that is mostly out of the league could even have a close game against 3 HOF players.
 
1 Eye Jack said:
How can you fire a guy that has a g league roster and new players every year. I can’t tell if he can coach or not, hell if it’s based on wins and losses the last 3 seasons Pop should also be fired lol.
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The difference is, we know what Pop can do with good players. When Chauncey had Dame and CJ it was UGLY.
 
dviss1 said:
This is true but we matched up well with GSW defensively. Terry just ran a horrible scheme. We compounded less talent by not being able to adjust to trapping defenses.

We were whooping GSW's ass in those first halves (in every WCF game), only to faulter in the 2nd half because of Terry's inability to adjust to the half court trap.
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GS did trap in the 1st half. And who came up with the schemes to get the lead in the first place?

We matched up well with the Warriors defensively? That might be the worst take of all... I can't recall one analyst saying "Man, Golden St is going to really struggle to score against that tough defensive backcourt of Dame and CJ. And even if they do beat them, Kanter and Meyers are elite rim protectors."
 
Rastapopoulos said:
It's almost as if (bear with me here) Stotts was a decent coach!
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Yeah, the debate with Stotts is if he was a good coach or a very good coach. Anyone who thought Stotts was garbage based off what he did with a limited roster in Portland was simply exposing their lack of knowledge.
 
1 Eye Jack said:
How can you fire a guy that has a g league roster and new players every year. I can’t tell if he can coach or not, hell if it’s based on wins and losses the last 3 seasons Pop should also be fired lol.
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He did worse than Stotts with a very similar roster. Offense was worse and defense was as bad or worse.

He doesn't necessarily need to be fired. I just wanted us to bring in a legit up and coming guy. Going from Stotts to a guy with almost no coaching experience was dumb.
 
Tince said:
I'm not sure Hurley's act could last one season with NBA players. Now maybe he could drastically change his approach and it would work, but he's a Hurley, so I doubt it.

He would be an idiot to go to the NBA anyway.
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I assume he was talking about Murray, not Hurley.
 
Tince said:
Yeah, the debate with Stotts is if he was a good coach or a very good coach. Anyone who thought Stotts was garbage based off what he did with a limited roster in Portland was simply exposing their lack of knowledge.
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The fact that he got THAT team to the WCF makes him one of the top three coaches Portland has ever had.
 
Rumor has it that if the Suns don’t perform well in the playoffs Frank Vogel could be canned.
 
Tince said:
What some of us warned is that making change because something was stale was unlikely to produce better results and could possibly produce worse results. I
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you can sorta make that argument about anything though, no? it's less of an argument and more of a posture, imo.
 
Samuel said:
you can sorta make that argument about anything though, no? it's less of an argument and more of a posture, imo.
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I disagree. There are plenty of changes that are more likely to produce better results than not.
 
THE HCP said:
Still trying to find the “#FireStotts….ANYBODY is better” crew around here. Don’t hear from them much…..unless they are the #FireBillups crew now?
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It's hilarious how bitter you sound, always talking about other people.
 
dviss1 said:
We remember differently. And understand that a dribble handoff is basically a pick and roll. our bigs did them religiously in Terry's offense. Just another way to get our guards trapped.

Again, he never consistently got Nurk into the high post to run cutters (which is the easy remedy to avoid trapping defenses) to attack the rim. Terry relied on Dame and CJ to do pick and roll, dribble handoff, and 1 on 1 play. We won't even get into his horrible defensive scheme but let's not act like that side of the floor didn't require us to rely on hero ball.

1000% Terry Stotts fault.
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A post including X's and O's, what a pleasent surprise. The dude ran drop scheme on Steph Curry in a playoff game, which is ridiculous. Some of the easiest 3pt looks he's ever gotten off designed looks in a playoff game.

But if Chaunceys no better, that means we should've kept Terry forever! Fuck schemes!
 
Tince said:
There's video proof that what you said is inaccurate. I remember that last Golden State game where we were running Dame off flare and curl screens off the ball. Here, I just pulled a highlight from the game. Your memory that it was "pick and roll after pick and roll" is wrong. Repeating an incorrect narrative with confidence only makes the other assessments less believable.



Amazing a team with Dame, CJ and roster that is mostly out of the league could even have a close game against 3 HOF players.
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So much of everything I said was in that video. Especially Stotts horrible defensive scheme. You can also tell me you can't analyze Xs and Os without telling me. Those times with Meyers at the top of the key are basically pick and pops. When Dame runs off that screen and receives passes from the wing, that's a pick and roll/pop without dribbling. There was very little off ball action and even if you run dame off a screen and he receives the ball, you're basically in a pick and roll/pop situation....

There was not one play from the high post. Only from the top of the key. You do know the difference between those spots don't you?
 
dviss1 said:
We remember differently. And understand that a dribble handoff is basically a pick and roll. our bigs did them religiously in Terry's offense. Just another way to get our guards trapped.

Again, he never consistently got Nurk into the high post to run cutters (which is the easy remedy to avoid trapping defenses) to attack the rim. Terry relied on Dame and CJ to do pick and roll, dribble handoff, and 1 on 1 play. We won't even get into his horrible defensive scheme but let's not act like that side of the floor didn't require us to rely on hero ball.

1000% Terry Stotts fault.
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I wish we ran horrible schemes now like we did when we made it to the WCF……
 
THE HCP said:
You’re the one who lives in their mom’s basement without a job. How am I bitter?
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We don't live in mom's basement. You know damn well i provide vehicle transportation service, while offering in-depth NBA theories. Uber Driving ain't easy.
 
dviss1 said:
So much of everything I said was in that video. Especially Stotts horrible defensive scheme. You can also tell me you can't analyze Xs and Os without telling me. Those times with Meyers at the top of the key are basically pick and pops. When Dame runs off that screen and receives passes from the wing, that's a pick and roll/pop without dribbling. There was very little off ball action and even if you run dame off a screen and he receives the ball, you're basically in a pick and roll/pop situation....

There was not one play from the high post. Only from the top of the key. You do know the difference between those spots don't you?
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That's incorrect. You said Portland ran "pick and roll after pick and roll". A PnR is when a player receives a screen while in possession of the ball. Guys receiving a pass after going off a flare screen away from the ball is not the same as a PnR. Your decription of what Dame was doing is not a "roll/pop". Also there was action happening on a lot of plays show in those clips. It should be noted that 5 people moving at all times isn't always a good thing. Sometimes people standing in the proper spaces, waiting for the defense to show their hand, then reacting accordingly is the most dangerous thing.

In this game Portland ran multiple actions in a 5 out set based on the players they had available. Kanter had already been ineffective so basing their offense by putting him at 15ft in the high post (as you were suggesting) would've been playing into his weaknesses and exactly what Golden St would've been wanting.

Answer me this: If Portland was running such an awful scheme, from an awful coach, with a roster of players that were mostly out of the league shortly after, why was Portland able to compete with a team filled with 3 HOFers? Because after we stopped running than awful scheme, with that awful coach, things didn't get better, they got worse.

You can repeat the same narrative about the schemes that the vocal minority has been saying for years, but it is still inaccurate.
 
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