What will it take for Chauncey to get fired?

[Phatguysrule]

He did in Games 2 through 4 of the WCF against GS and it was more effective despite the Blazers not practicing it all season long. The rotations weren't even on time or all that good behind it and it started to get picked apart a bit in 2nd halfs (part of the collapse) but it was still better.

Even if you have a team built to play one way, it always made sense to work on more than just drop during the season so that they'd be ready to guard Steph in the playoffs...

And again, if he had the benefit of a stacked roster like a San Antonio or LA or any of the other actual championship contenders he may have done that. As it was they were scrimping for every win possible so they could try to get home court advantage in the playoffs and avoid the warriors altogether.

 

[BonesJones]

And again, if he had the benefit of a stacked roster like a San Antonio or LA or any of the other actual championship contenders he may have done that. As it was they were scrimping for every wind possible so they could try to get home court advantage in the playoffs and avoid the warriors altogether.

Yeah, it's always easier to coach with stacked rosters. They were never going to avoid the Warriors altogether.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Yeah, it's always easier to coach with stacked rosters. They were never going to avoid the Warriors altogether.

Good point. I guess I meant avoid them early altogether. They got Golden State where they wanted them when they got them in the WCF. They just didn't have the talent to overcome it.

I don't think Stotts had the luxury of risking losing games in the regular season by putting his players in a position they weren't capable of playing effectively.

Again, those guys were getting big minutes in the Western Conference Finals then they were out of the league in short order.

 

[Tince]

I can say what I want. Terry Stotts is the reason why we lost. Plain and simple. Get over yourself now.

100% you can say whatever you want. And when you're saying things that are incorrect, people will provide those receipts, like what has happened here.

 

[Tince]

Shaking it up and taking a chance at someone better was what they needed. They were never winning anything without a better playoff coach AND a better roster. Unfortunately, they got neither, and here we are.

I really don't think Hart/Grant was that much better than Aminu and Harkless. As individuals, sure, but Aminu & Harkless's combined defensively versatility and how solid they were on that end made those rosters competitive defensively. Stotts had a better 6th/7th/8th man with Curry/Hood/Collins than last years team had and the Blazers might not have won the first round without Curry nor the 2nd round without Hood.

But this is why I don't like evaluating coaches purely off results. There's a lot of factors there that are all debatable that can be used to talk about a coach positively or negatively.

I think we agree on half the stuff. I also didn't love the Hart/Grant forward combo, though I think it was better.

Also agree you can't evaluate coaches strictly off record. I think those who constantly were pointing to Stotts losing in the 1st round were greatly overlooking just how marginal of a roster he was working with. It appears the inability to even make the playoffs with the Dame/CJ/Hart/Grant/Nurk team(s) how made that obvious to some.

I know we agree that if/when Billups is fired, we both hope the next coach is given a better roster, configured to actually contend and have the option to be versatile. It's been a decade since this franchise has had something to really work with.

 

[wizenheimer]

That was Olshey's mess, but are we sure Cronin doesn't also have the same love for small guards and possibly played a part in those roster constructions? Cronin had 6'4 SF Josh Hart, brought in 6'2 SG/SF Gary Payton II as his biggest FA signing, and then talked about how they needed more size yet drafted 6'3 PG Scoot Henderson to supposedly pair with Dame, Simons, and Sharpe.

I want Alex Sarr. A 7'1 PF/C sounds so nice.

that may very well be the case with Cronin. I suspect he may have something like the blind love Olshey had for CJ when it comes to Ant. Hart was an ok exchange for CJ in terms of size and he played much bigger than his height. Payton was a purely stupid MLE signing

 

[Samuel]

the new coach search was an abortion because Olshey should have been fired first and the new GM should have decided about Stotts.

Agree. I’m not sure who is holding a flame for Olshey in here, respectfully.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I agree, should've got a better coach.

I bought Billups stock. He said the right things. And given that Kerr had come in with no experience and immediately turned GS into a championship team with a lot of the same stuff I was hoping a new coach would bring Portland, I was optimistic.

I don't think Billups nor his assistants know how to get them to actually execute what they want. The lack of identity on both ends is glaring, because even bad rebuilding teams at least have a specific style of play. Billups seems to have switched up on some of the philosophies he was preaching coming into the job, too.

Difference was that Kerr was a cerebral player. He didn't have the strength or athleticism Billups had.

And he had 6 years of experience in PHXs front office as owner, president, and GM. And he had done a pretty good job.

I would have honestly been surprised if Kerr had been less than a good coach.

Billups was purely and obviously a desperate gamble. A circling of the wagons. That's on Jody mismanaging her brother's toy, IMO.

 

[Phatguysrule]

the new coach search was an abortion because Olshey should have been fired first and the new GM should have decided about Stotts. Instead, Olshey was allowed by shitty ownership to deflect from himself and effectively scapegoat Stotts

personally, I was ambivalent about Stotts after the Pels series, but by 2015, I wanted Olshey gone

Agree. I’m not sure who is holding a flame for Olshey in here, respectfully.

Agree 100%. IMO, We're still being screwed by Olshey because Jody is a shit governor.

I guess that's where my frustrations lie.

 

[Whyachi]

I agree, should've got a better coach.

I bought Billups stock. He said the right things. And given that Kerr had come in with no experience and immediately turned GS into a championship team with a lot of the same stuff I was hoping a new coach would bring Portland, I was optimistic.

I don't think Billups nor his assistants know how to get them to actually execute what they want. The lack of identity on both ends is glaring, because even bad rebuilding teams at least have a specific style of play. Billups seems to have switched up on some of the philosophies he was preaching coming into the job, too.

Billups is the most famous NBA person in Portland. He is a household name, he's a charming person. Chauncey seems extraordinary nice, and brings spirit and smiles to everyone around him.

Portland can't lean on Lillard anymore. Scoot's getting there, but still too young to be team captain. Simons Grant Ayton Sharpe Brogdan are quiet assassins.

Here in lies the Alpha dilemma. Coach Billups is the leader, until one of his guys rises up to take control.

 

[Tince]

that may very well be the case with Cronin. I suspect he may have something like the blind love Olshey had for CJ when it comes to Ant. Hart was an ok exchange for CJ in terms of size and he played much bigger than his height. Payton was a purely stupid MLE signing

I'm kinda amazed Cronin got off of GP2 as quickly as he did and with some value at all.

Though it was still a weird signing in the first place.

 

[wizenheimer]

I'm kinda amazed Cronin got off of GP2 as quickly as he did and with some value at all.

the genius of the Toradol Gambit

 

[dviss1]

Getting a worse coach certainly wasn't going to be helpful.

There was absolutely no way Billups was going to be a better coach than Stotts with 1 year of assistant experience. Maybe there was a very slight chance, but what a horrible gamble...

I accepted the Billups hire like everyone else had to but I thought he should've been President/GM. I was clamoring to bring Ime Udoka home to Portland. It's what we should have done.

 

[dviss1]

100% you can say whatever you want. And when you're saying things that are incorrect, people will provide those receipts, like what has happened here.

Bro, get over yourself. You ain't pulled no receipts. Your video proved me correct. You saw 2 off ball things from Dame in that video. Pipe TF down...

You also have no answer for Terry's lackadaisical ass defense either.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I accepted the Billups hire like everyone else had to but I thought he should've been President/GM. I was clamoring to bring Ime Udoka home to Portland. It's what we should have done.

Agree 100%. Udoka was who I would have preferred as well.

 

[Tince]

Bro, get over yourself. You ain't pulled no receipts. Your video proved me correct. You saw 2 off ball things from Dame in that video. Pipe TF down...

You also have no answer for Terry's lackadaisical ass defense either.

This is incorrect. I believe there was 2 on ball screens for Dame in 9 minutes. Far from the "pick and roll after pick and roll." claim you continue to attempt to stand behind. Not sure why you continue to double down on something that has been proven to be false.

 

[dviss1]

This is incorrect. I believe there was 2 on ball screens for Dame in 9 minutes. Far from the "pick and roll after pick and roll." claim you continue to attempt to stand behind. Not sure why you continue to double down on something that has been proven to be false.

Not sure why you need to play forum cop...

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Sigh.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Chauncey deserves one season with a healthy, non tanking roster. Until then all judgements are superficial and not based on substance. Like most posts in this forum….

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Jusuf Nurkic in the high post (Free Throw line, Elbow area not the top of the key) was hardly ever used by Terry. I would argue that Nurk was hardly ever used correctly by Stotts and he succeeded despite Terry's coaching.

We were up double digits in each of those GSW games and Terry did not adjust to their defensive scheme in the 2nd half. At all.

Not sure how Terry could've used Nurk correctly against Golden State in the playoffs? The year we beat the Nuggets he had a broken leg. When we beat the Clippers we still had Plumlee.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Chauncey deserves one season with a healthy, non tanking roster. Until then all judgements are superficial and not based on substance. Like most posts in this forum….

Chauncey "deserves" jack shit.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Chauncey "deserves" jack shit.

Why? Cause you say so?


Lol. Ill trust people paid to know the game. Not some forum know it alls who just post negative shit day in and day out trying to get everyone else to feel all negative like them.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Oh yeah forgot about 2017 when the Blazers played Golden State in round 1. Nurk sat out injured in 3 of 4 games totalling 17 minutes that series. Guess Terry screwed up utilizing Nurk that year too.

 

[riverman]

Terry Stotts coached a top 10 defense and top 10 offense before Wes went down...he also won Western conf coach of the month 6 times and got to the WCF once with a one armed center and a pt guard with a core injury. Hee also faced a team that mowed down everyone in the playoffs in the Warriors.... Chauncey has won nothing....Terry is by far the better coach and it's not close. Terry took 179 players to the playoffs in Portland. He had one horrible series in New Orleans but other than that players had career years under his coaching. Very few went on to become as successful on their next teams. I also believe that if Olshey hadn't fired Terry, Dame would still be here. I like Stotts....I like Chauncey as a person but his coaching has holes in it especially when it comes to the endgame and in bounding the ball plays. Personally I'd fire Chauncey tomorrow but I know Joe won't do that. I hope Chauncey becomes as good a coach as Terry. We'll see.....we are 29th in offense under Chauncey and 23rd in defense....that's the elephant in the room ....Stotts Blazers almost always made a push after the all star break and Chauncey tanked all 3 seasons. On a personal note, I enjoyed Stotts era and I've hated Chauncey's era so far.

 

[BonesJones]

Why? Cause you say so?


Lol. Ill trust people paid to know the game. Not some forum know it alls who just post negative shit day in and day out trying to get everyone else to feel all negative like them.

Okay, so you'll trust me then?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Why? Cause you say so?

No, I say so because it's so.

"Deserves" means he has done something so he's entitled. Yes he's had a shitty roster, but other coaches have made silk purses out of sows arses (including the much-maligned Doc Rivers, in Orlando). You can't keep saying year after year that "it's not the coach's fault" - he has to show evidence that there isn't somebody better. And from what I've seen, there are a lot of other people more deserving of coaching us next season.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Okay, so you'll trust me then?

Sorry, No because you arent on the inside and paid.
Everyone is free to speculate but in my opinion, to believe matter of factly without being on the inside, privy to meetings and discussed agendas, there is nothing concrete to pass judgment on.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

No, I say so because it's so.

"Deserves" means he has done something so he's entitled. Yes he's had a shitty roster, but other coaches have made silk purses out of sows arses (including the much-maligned Doc Rivers, in Orlando). You can't keep saying year after year that "it's not the coach's fault" - he has to show evidence that there isn't somebody better. And from what I've seen, there are a lot of other people more deserving of coaching us next season.

Well thats just like, your opinion man….

 

[BonesJones]

Sorry, No because you arent on the inside and paid.
Everyone is free to speculate but in my opinion, to believe matter of factly without being on the inside, privy to meetings and discussed agendas, there is nothing concrete to pass judgment on.

I am paid. I'm not on the inside though. Maybe you should realize that guys on the inside tend to make a million excuses for the guys they cover?

How is being in "meetings" relevant to discussing what's happening on the floor?

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

I am paid. I'm not on the inside though. Maybe you should realize that guys on the inside tend to make a million excuses for the guys they cover?

How is being in "meetings" relevant to discussing what's happening on the floor?

its been my experience its the guys not on the inside that make excuses as to why they are right and the ones on the inside are wrong.
Being in those meetings would shed some light on what Billups has been instructed to do, which could be a huge factor in what he did.

But the one thing visible on the court that is irrelevant to the meetings is his relationship with the players and how he is or is not able to motivate them. i already stated my opinion on that.

in the nba, do you run schemes or set you know you cant succeed at based on the level of talent the clach has at his disposal, or do you stick with what the players can potentially succeed at, Like effort?