What's a teacher make?

[mook]

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Let's hear it for all the parasites and leeches out there who make a difference.

 

[maxiep]

Wow. He's awfully self-congratulatory. I wonder if I made a video patting myself on the back for all the jobs I helped create, all the retirement packages I helped increase, all the neighborhoods I helped improve by investing in them and all the knowledge of economics I passed on to graduate students so they could do the same, if I could say how great I am, too?

Fuck that guy. If you're really a public servant, you don't constantly whine about how you're underappreciated.

 

[PapaG]

That guy is everything that is wrong with teachers these days.

I hope that was self-parody.

 

[julius]

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Let's hear it for all the parasites and leeches out there who make a difference.

you obviously didn't get the memo mook. Teachers are whiny, self congratulatory pricks, who whould never complain about being ridiculed/mocked, or asked how much they enjoy "summers off". Especially by those who taught "grad" classes, or run away from online forums because someone had a gun in their avatar and a greeting to them.

You know the old saying, those who can, do. those who can't, complain about bitch to the skies that their kid is being picked on by the teacher and it's the teachers fault that their kid did bad in the class.

Wait, I don't think I got that saying right.

If you aren't a teacher (and a graduate "teacher" isn't the same), you honestly should shut up (that's what my sister, who has been a teacher for 15 years now, told me once when I complained about something to do with teachers). It's tantamount to someone who tells others how to raise kids, when they don't actually have kids of their own (and helping 'raise' other peoples kids isn't the same).

 

[maxiep]

you obviously didn't get the memo mook. Teachers are whiny, self congratulatory pricks, who whould never complain about being ridiculed/mocked, or asked how much they enjoy "summers off". Especially by those who taught "grad" classes, or run away from online forums because someone had a gun in their avatar and a greeting to them.

You know the old saying, those who can, do. those who can't, complain about bitch to the skies that their kid is being picked on by the teacher and it's the teachers fault that their kid did bad in the class.

Wait, I don't think I got that saying right.

If you aren't a teacher (and a graduate "teacher" isn't the same), you honestly should shut up (that's what my sister, who has been a teacher for 15 years now, told me once when I complained about something to do with teachers). It's tantamount to someone who tells others how to raise kids, when they don't actually have kids of their own (and helping 'raise' other peoples kids isn't the same).

Teachers are well-compensated for their work. If you want someone who is underappreciated, go to a hospice unit and talk to those workers. You don't see videos of them talking about how they are surrounded by death every day yet manage to make peoples' last moments on earth comfortable and ease the burden of survivors.

Teach because you love it. If you get to the point where you bitch about your job, find another one.

 

[Eastoff]

Teachers are well-compensated for their work. If you want someone who is underappreciated, go to a hospice unit and talk to those workers. You don't see videos of them talking about how they are surrounded by death every day yet manage to make peoples' last moments on earth comfortable and ease the burden of survivors.

Teach because you love it. If you get to the point where you bitch about your job, find another one.

"If you get to the point where you bitch about your job, find another one." Can I safely assume you only meant that about people who have gone to college? I have a feeling there are a lot of people in the world that don't like their job and don't have a lot of options otherwise. Delta street sweepers and all that.

 

[blazerboy30]

"If you get to the point where you bitch about your job, find another one." Can I safely assume you only meant that about people who have gone to college? I have a feeling there are a lot of people in the world that don't like their job and don't have a lot of options otherwise. Delta street sweepers and all that.

If our teachers are so lowly qualified that they can't do anything else, then we're more screwed that you know.

 

[maxiep]

"If you get to the point where you bitch about your job, find another one." Can I safely assume you only meant that about people who have gone to college? I have a feeling there are a lot of people in the world that don't like their job and don't have a lot of options otherwise. Delta street sweepers and all that.

Actually, low wage/low skill workers have more fluidity in both the labor pool and their choice of employment than college-educated workers. You can get a job at McDonalds or roofing a house if you're making minimum wage. If you make $175K, jobs are much more specialized and much more scarce.

 

[Eastoff]

If our teachers are so lowly qualified that they can't do anything else, then we're more screwed that you know.

Well I know at Oregon State, there is a major specific to Elementary education. Then they have to get a teaching Masters. I can't imagine those 5.5+ years can apply to a lot of other things. Not to say they aren't intelligent enough to go back to school.

 

[Eastoff]

Actually, low wage/low skill workers have more fluidity in both the labor pool and their choice of employment than college-educated workers. You can get a job at McDonalds or roofing a house if you're making minimum wage. If you make $175K, jobs are much more specialized and much more scarce.

I agree with your point, but choosing between flipping burgers and hurting your back may not always be the best options. "Do I want to cut off my big toe or cut off my pinky?" I am obviously exaggerating here, but I still think the point is valid.

 

[blazerboy30]

Well I know at Oregon State, there is a major specific to Elementary education. Then they have to get a teaching Masters. I can't imagine those 5.5+ years can apply to a lot of other things. Not to say they aren't intelligent enough to go back to school.

If our teachers are so lowly qualified that they can't do anything else, they are definitely being paid too much. Why do you think so lowly of teachers?

 

[PapaG]

Well I know at Oregon State, there is a major specific to Elementary education. Then they have to get a teaching Masters. I can't imagine those 5.5+ years can apply to a lot of other things. Not to say they aren't intelligent enough to go back to school.

Yet, there are home-schooled kids who score perfect SATs and go to Ivy League schools.

Some of those parents didn't even go to college. Elementary education is all about trying to teach the poor students to be average. Bright students just sit around and get bored. My oldest daughter is in TAG, and we're putting her in a charter school next year so she doesn't have to twiddle her thumbs all day while her teacher dedicates almost all of the class time to calming down the kids with ADHD.

 

[julius]

Teachers are well-compensated for their work. If you want someone who is underappreciated,

that word is two words, btw (not that I'm trying to say your opinions are not valid because of that. I'm the king of forgetting how to spell).

teachers are not well compensated for their work. there is no overtime for teachers and they don't just work from 7 to 3 (or whatever the hours of the school is).

They might be rewarded because of the joy of teaching, but it's not like they're well off.

go to a hospice unit and talk to those workers. You don't see videos of them talking about how they are surrounded by death every day yet manage to make peoples' last moments on earth comfortable and ease the burden of survivors.

I would bet they get paid better (although Nurses work insane hours).

Teach because you love it. If you get to the point where you bitch about your job, find another one.

I don't think people here are bitching about their job (at least, that's not the point of the video). It's that people are constantly blaming teachers, and accusing them of things they don't do (not sexual here). When you are blamed for things, it gets old. My sister constantly gets told she "gets summers off", and yet 'still gets paid' for it. That's simply not true. She gets paid for 9 months of work, and then nothing during the summer (conversely, you can have your pay distributed 12 months instead of 9).

She doesn't complain about her job, she complains about the misconceptions that people (non teachers) have about her job. She complains about how people are woefully ignorant of just what it takes to be a teacher. She complains about how teachers are being told they "make too much money", and are the cause of budgetary issues in schools, when they're not nearly as highly paid as people think. She complains about how even if she's left the school building, she still has hours of homework to grade/correct/edit (and it's not during her paid time). She also won't ever get a "bonus" for doing big projects or putting in extra hours doing something big.

She points out that if she was compensated for all the work she did, she'd have to have her hours per day upped from 8, to 11. Per day. Yeah, she can "make it up" during the summer, but remember that's unpaid time.

All in all, if we're going to talk about pay for people for the importance of their job (or emotional drain/physical drain), I guess that means you'll be taking a pay cut, right?

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Yet, there are home-schooled kids who score perfect SATs and go to Ivy League schools.

Some of those parents didn't even go to college. Elementary education is all about trying to teach the poor students to be average. Bright students just sit around and get bored. My oldest daughter is in TAG, and we're putting her in a charter school next year so she doesn't have to twiddle her thumbs all day while her teacher dedicates almost all of the class time to calming down the kids with ADHD.

Very true. I learned almost nothing in High School. When I went to College I had to relearn how to do everything in order to succeed. High school is an absolute joke.

Teacher's bitching about anything is almost downright laughable. Wouldn't expect any less from government workers though.

 

[blazerboy30]

that word is two words, btw (not that I'm trying to say your opinions are not valid because of that. I'm the king of forgetting how to spell).

teachers are not well compensated for their work. there is no overtime for teachers and they don't just work from 7 to 3 (or whatever the hours of the school is).

Are you on salary or paid by the hour?

 

[Eastoff]

If our teachers are so lowly qualified that they can't do anything else, they are definitely being paid too much. Why do you think so lowly of teachers?

I'm am simply saying they are rather specialized, just like most degrees. As a Physics major, I don't know enough about Chemistry to get a real job in the field. Yet I took bach courses on the subject, and the fields are fairly related. Are you saying i'm "low" because of that?

 

[julius]

Are you on salary or paid by the hour?

Am I personally? By the hour. Why?

 

[Eastoff]

Yet, there are home-schooled kids who score perfect SATs and go to Ivy League schools.

Some of those parents didn't even go to college. Elementary education is all about trying to teach the poor students to be average. Bright students just sit around and get bored. My oldest daughter is in TAG, and we're putting her in a charter school next year so she doesn't have to twiddle her thumbs all day while her teacher dedicates almost all of the class time to calming down the kids with ADHD.

Is it surprising that a college educated person with 30 students has more trouble than a HS educated person with 1 or 2 students at the elementary level does worse? You're comparing apples to oranges. Let's assume the college educated teacher makes 50k/year and the HS educated home school parent could make 20k/year. 50/30 << 20/2 So the cost per student is worse as well. This does not account for the knowledge level at HS.

 

[chris_in_pdx]

I don't think people here are bitching about their job (at least, that's not the point of the video). It's that people are constantly blaming teachers, and accusing them of things they don't do (not sexual here). When you are blamed for things, it gets old. My sister constantly gets told she "gets summers off", and yet 'still gets paid' for it. That's simply not true. She gets paid for 9 months of work, and then nothing during the summer (conversely, you can have your pay distributed 12 months instead of 9).

She doesn't complain about her job, she complains about the misconceptions that people (non teachers) have about her job. She complains about how people are woefully ignorant of just what it takes to be a teacher. She complains about how teachers are being told they "make too much money", and are the cause of budgetary issues in schools, when they're not nearly as highly paid as people think. She complains about how even if she's left the school building, she still has hours of homework to grade/correct/edit (and it's not during her paid time). She also won't ever get a "bonus" for doing big projects or putting in extra hours doing something big.

She points out that if she was for all the work she did, she'd have to have her hours per day upped from 8, to 11. Per day. Yeah, she can "make it up" during the summer, but remember that's unpaid time.

Having known several teachers in my lifetime (including one I had a longtime relationship with), just a couple of knitpicky things about your statements above:

Yes they get paid for 9 months and can have that spread out over 12. I think that's a non-issue. What's their total yearly compensation vs. a person in the private sector? They don't lose their benefits during the summer. Would they rather work a 12 month schedule at a year-round school? I don't see this argument on either side. It's like berating a farmer for only planting and harvesting a few months out of the year, from which he gets his yearly income.

Summers are not really "Time Off" for teachers. They have to go back to school themselves for recertifications, to learn new regulations, and most, if not all of the cost of those classes come out of their own pockets. And speaking of money out of their pockets, teachers must buy their own teaching aids, supplies, and other materials for the classroom for art projects and the like. Budgets for them from the school have long since been cut. And did you know that if a student shows up to class (usually an ESL child or special needs) with no notebooks, paper, pencils, bckpack, or any other supplies, the school by law is required to provide it to them. And guess who gets to pay for that? Yep, the teacher. Any supplies that were donated to the school through early-year drives are almost immediately exhausted. The teacher that I dated would routinely spend $150-$200 a month on supplies for her kids, and was never reimbursed. And on what she made, that was a chunk.

And it's true about the workday not being "7 to 3". That doesn't include the daily paper-grading, lesson planning, paperwork-filling-out (mandated by law for disciplinary situations and ESL students), mandated standardized test preperation, report card submittal, dealing with problem (and well-meaning) parents, etc. Usually most of Saturdays were taken up with these tasks as well.

In my experience, most people who don't respect the work that teachers do think of them as glorified babysitters anyway, and that anyone could do their job. My reply? Try it.

 

[maxiep]

People know why the MAT exists, right? It has nothing to do with being able to teach. It has to do with raising a barrier to entry to a profession. Give me the Teach For America approach any day. Get smart kids who don't want a career in teaching, but who want to teach for a few years. Let them teach the subjects they've actually studied.

 

[blazerboy30]

Am I personally? By the hour. Why?

Because millions and millions of salaried employees put in "overtime" that they aren't compensated for, as you claim teachers do. It is common, but most people don't whine about it as it is part of the job they chose to take.

 

[Eastoff]

In my experience, most people who don't respect the work that teachers do think of them as glorified babysitters anyway, and that anyone could do their job. My reply? Try it.

Don't babysitters get paid like 5$/(hour and child)

 

[julius]

Having known several teachers in my lifetime (including one I had a longtime relationship with), just a couple of knitpicky things about your statements above:

Yes they get paid for 9 months and can have that spread out over 12. I think that's a non-issue. What's their total yearly compensation vs. a person in the private sector? They don't lose their benefits during the summer. Would they rather work a 12 month schedule at a year-round school? I don't see this argument on either side. It's like berating a farmer for only planting and harvesting a few months out of the year, from which he gets his yearly income.

Summers are not really "Time Off" for teachers. They have to go back to school themselves for recertifications, to learn new regulations, and most, if not all of the cost of those classes come out of their own pockets. And speaking of money out of their pockets, teachers must buy their own teaching aids, supplies, and other materials for the classroom for art projects and the like. Budgets for them from the school have long since been cut. And did you know that if a student shows up to class (usually an ESL child or special needs) with no notebooks, paper, pencils, bckpack, or any other supplies, the school by law is required to provide it to them. And guess who gets to pay for that? Yep, the teacher. Any supplies that were donated to the school through early-year drives are almost immediately exhausted. The teacher that I dated would routinely spend $150-$200 a month on supplies for her kids, and was never reimbursed. And on what she made, that was a chunk.

And it's true about the workday not being "7 to 3". That doesn't include the daily paper-grading, lesson planning, paperwork-filling-out (mandated by law for disciplinary situations and ESL students), mandated standardized test preperation, report card submittal, dealing with problem (and well-meaning) parents, etc. Usually most of Saturdays were taken up with these tasks as well.

In my experience, most people who don't respect the work that teachers do think of them as glorified babysitters anyway, and that anyone could do their job. My reply? Try it.

You didn't really nit-pick my post, as much as backed it up.

 

[julius]

Because millions and millions of salaried employees put in "overtime" that they aren't compensated for, as you claim teachers do. It is common, but most people don't whine about it as it is part of the job they chose to take.

Again, teachers "whine" because you have idiots telling them how they are overpaid or over compensated. If I went to someone who was a salaried worker, and said "you make too much" and then they told me how they actually don't get paid for working at home (after "hours"), do you honestly think I would continue that line or arguing or bring up other people who are in a similar boat and say "see? they don't bitch!"??

No, I'd say "you know, it sucks. and I'm in the wrong for saying you get paid too much/over compensated".

Saying teachers are a problem is what lazy dumb shits do.

 

[blazerboy30]

I'm am simply saying they are rather specialized, just like most degrees. As a Physics major, I don't know enough about Chemistry to get a real job in the field. Yet I took bach courses on the subject, and the fields are fairly related. Are you saying i'm "low" because of that?

Your "argument" doesn't make sense. Many, many, many college graduates have jobs and careers that have nothing to do with their degree. Ever heard of liberal arts degrees? Somehow they managed to find a vast array of jobs.

If you honestly believe you won't be able to get a job doing anything except "physics", then yeah, you probably are lowly qualified and shouldn't make a lot of money.

 

[Eastoff]

Your "argument" doesn't make sense. Many, many, many college graduates have jobs and careers that have nothing to do with their degree. Ever heard of liberal arts degrees? Somehow they managed to find a vast array of jobs.

If you honestly believe you won't be able to get a job doing anything except "physics", then yeah, you probably are lowly qualified and shouldn't make a lot of money.

Just curious, what are your degrees in, and how do they relate to your job?

 

[blazerboy30]

Again, teachers "whine" because you have idiots telling them how they are overpaid or over compensated.

And you have idiots telling others how hard they work because their work day extends beyond 7-3.

If I went to someone who was a salaried worker, and said "you make too much" and then they told me how they actually don't get paid for working at home (after "hours"), do you honestly think I would continue that line or arguing or bring up other people who are in a similar boat and say "see? they don't bitch!"??

No, I'd say "you know, it sucks. and I'm in the wrong for saying you get paid too much/over compensated".

Saying teachers are a problem is what lazy dumb shits do.

And lazy dumb shits think that all jobs are compensated based on how many hours or how hard they work.

 

[blazerboy30]

Just curious, what are your degrees in, and how do they relate to your job?

My bachelor's and master's degrees are both in mechanical engineering.

I now work at a software company writing code, and designing control systems and electronics systems. My work is somewhat related to my degrees, but not directly.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

And you have idiots telling others how hard they work because their work day extends beyond 7-3.



And lazy dumb shits think that all jobs are compensated based on how many hours or how hard they work.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[chris_in_pdx]

You didn't really nit-pick my post, as much as backed it up.

Correct. Just clarification, mostly.