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Strenuus said:
Please show me where the "other side" is already blaming mail in ballots.

I thought so.

My point stands. Thank you for trying.
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Wow. Confident aren’t you?

You didn’t say “already blaming mail in ballots” you said “ already laying out excuses and conspiracy theories.”

Both sides ARE already doing this. Way to move the goal posts and switch it to “mail in ballots” to win the argument in your head. Your point doesn’t stand because you failed to even make one. The left is already shitting their pants over collision, meddling and various other ways Trump could potentially steal an election. The excuses are there on both sides.
 
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jonnyboy said:
Wow. Confident aren’t you?

You didn’t say “already blaming mail in ballots” you said “ already laying out excuses and conspiracy theories.”

Both sides ARE already doing this. Way to move the goal posts and switch it to “mail in ballots” to win the argument in your head. Your point doesn’t stand because you failed to even make one. The left is already shitting their pants over collision, meddling and various other ways Trump could potentially steal an election. The excuses are there on both sides.
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FACT: Russia interfered with our elections and is continuing to do so.

FACT: trump refuses to uphold the sanctions put on Russia.

FACT: Many red states have some serious gerrymandering issues that the republicans refuse to address

FACT: Georgia's attorney general (Gov Kemp) used voter suppression in Georgia to enhance his chances and won in an extremely close race

but you're not concerned, lol

now tell me why we the people shouldn't be concerned about this
 
CupWizier said:
FACT: Russia interfered with our elections and is continuing to do so.
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Debunked. Not even the clowns you watch on MSNBC are touching this non-story anymore. The rest of the rant you posted is either irrelevant or more unsubstantiated bullshit. I don’t give a rats ass about Georgia. Irrelevant. Russian sanctions? Irrelevant. Your opinions on “many red states” penchant for gerrymandering? Once again, irrelevant

Your opinions are not facts, neither are your debunked Russia conspiracies.
 
Well, Russia did interfere because they bought facebook ads. :Sly:

However, Trump was not involved in any way.
 
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EL PRESIDENTE said:
Well, Russia did interfere because they bought facebook ads. :NOTMARIS:

However, Trump was not involved in any way.
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c'mon man.

There is plenty of evidence the trump 2016 campaign had discussions with Russian operatives prior to the election. And for damn sure, several members of the trump 2016 campaign were involved with wikileaks and Assange who were most definitely being directed by russia. And "involvement" can certainly be cover-up and denial after the fact. If somebody commits a murder, throws the body in the trunk of their car, drives by your house, and you grab a shovel and go somewhere and help bury the body....you're definitely involved
 
wizenheimer said:
c'mon man.

There is plenty of evidence the trump 2016 campaign had discussions with Russian operatives prior to the election. And for damn sure, several members of the trump 2016 campaign were involved with wikileaks and Assange who were most definitely being directed by russia. And "involvement" can certainly be cover-up and denial after the fact. If somebody commits a murder, throws the body in the trunk of their car, drives by your house, and you grab a shovel and go somewhere and help bury the body....you're definitely involved
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It’s not unlikely that an international businessperson would have discussions with foreigners. That isn’t proof of collusion. Calling private citizens and businesspeople from foreign countries “operatives” is just a sly way of making your assertion sound more juicy. There is also no evidence that Assange was being directed by Russia, or that any of Trumps cabinet members were acting as a “go-between” for Wikileaks and the Russian government. All these claims have come up empty handed as far as evidence is concerned. I don’t know how people are still spreading any of this stuff as fact. Most of the left wing outlets have even given up on it at this point.
 
jonnyboy said:
It’s not unlikely that an international businessperson would have discussions with foreigners. That isn’t proof of collusion. Calling private citizens and businesspeople from foreign countries “operatives” is just a sly way of making your assertion sound more juicy. There is also no evidence that Assange was being directed by Russia, or that any of Trumps cabinet members were acting as a “go-between” for Wikileaks and the Russian government. All these claims have come up empty handed as far as evidence is concerned. I don’t know how people are still spreading any of this stuff as fact. Most of the left wing outlets have even given up on it at this point.
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It fits a narrative.
 
jonnyboy said:
Debunked. Not even the clowns you watch on MSNBC are touching this non-story anymore. The rest of the rant you posted is either irrelevant or more unsubstantiated bullshit. I don’t give a rats ass about Georgia. Irrelevant. Russian sanctions? Irrelevant. Your opinions on “many red states” penchant for gerrymandering? Once again, irrelevant

Your opinions are not facts, neither are your debunked Russia conspiracies.
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Sorry johnny. Those aren't my opinions. Maybe the news travels a little slow in Wyoming.
 
jonnyboy said:
It’s not unlikely that an international businessperson would have discussions with foreigners. That isn’t proof of collusion. Calling private citizens and businesspeople from foreign countries “operatives” is just a sly way of making your assertion sound more juicy. There is also no evidence that Assange was being directed by Russia, or that any of Trumps cabinet members were acting as a “go-between” for Wikileaks and the Russian government. All these claims have come up empty handed as far as evidence is concerned. I don’t know how people are still spreading any of this stuff as fact. Most of the left wing outlets have even given up on it at this point.
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LOL

I was replying to a post that said "trump was not involved in any way" which is simply not credible at all...except for people like you and OB apparently. And as I said, involvement can be both before and after the fact. It can also mean 'to benefit'

for chrissakes just fucking google what George Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to. And yeah, I know about the strategy of deniability , but anyone who believes trump didn't know about any contacts between his campaign, wikileaks, and russia is willfully naive. And why the fuck did the orange asshole spend his first 3 years doing dishonest and ridiculous back-flips about russian involvement?...yeah, I would say guilty conscience but of course that requires a moral compass and trump has none

* "At least 17 Trump associates had contacts with Russians or Wikileaks, which released hacked documents, during the campaign or transition, according to an analysis of public records by the New York Times, with at least 100 face-to-face interactions, phone calls or electronic messages with Russians or Kremlin-linked figures and at least 51 individual communications.

Trump aides known to have had contact with Russians include the president's son-in-law and adviser Jared Kushner, his son Donald Trump Jr, former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, Attorney General Jeff Sessions and former personal lawyer Michael Cohen." *

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but there is also this:


* " No, Mueller does not appear to have developed evidence that anyone associated with the Trump campaign was involved in the hacking operation itself. And no, the investigation did not find a criminal conspiracy in the veritable blizzard of contacts between Trumpworld and the Russians. But this is an ugly story for Trump.

Here’s the key point: If there wasn’t collusion on the hacking, it sure wasn’t for lack of trying. Indeed, the Mueller report makes clear that Trump personally ordered an attempt to obtain Hillary Clinton’s emails; and people associated with the campaign pursued this believing they were dealing with Russian hackers. Trump also personally engaged in discussions about coordinating public-relations strategy around WikiLeaks releases of hacked emails. At least one person associated with the campaign was in touch directly with the Guccifer 2.0 persona—which is to say with Russian military intelligence. And Donald Trump Jr. was directly in touch with WikiLeaks—from whom he obtained a password to a hacked database. There are reasons none of these incidents amount to crimes—good reasons, in my view, in most cases, viable judgment calls in others. But the picture it all paints of the president’s conduct is anything but exonerating." *

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/04/ben-wittes-five-conclusions-mueller-report/588259/

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that's the definition of involvement, and fuck the ridiculous idea that trump wasn't part of it

I don't give a shit about trump leg-humpers trying to parse legal terms or arguing about exoneration from weak-asss investigations that didn't at least test any legal boundaries between courts and the administration or the legislative and executive. Trump was involved in what russia did in 2016. He was involved when it was happening, and he was involved when his white house was trying to cover up and distract
 
Strenuus said:
Literally the WORST thing that was hurled at the federal building was a tiny ass firework.

You know what happened? It bounced off the federal building and landed back towards the fence.

The rest of the time it was people chanting "Black Lives Matter" and the names of the people who were unjustly killed by police brutality.

In other words, fuck trump. Fuck the secret police. They are escalating a situation that is people exercising their first amendment rights.

But you know who they DIDNT tear gas and flash bang? The white supremacists in the Michigan offices. Who were IN THE FACES OF COPS SCREAMING. With guns! Not behind a fence!

So dont give me that shit.

(This is not at you directly, just the post)
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Exactly. No federal troops, in fact, Trump and the right praised them. No pages and pages of people advising them to protest peacefully.
 
CupWizier said:
Sorry johnny. Those aren't my opinions. Maybe the news travels a little slow in Wyoming.
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Good one.

If I can read your irrelevant factoids and smug insults almost instantaneously what makes you think there’d be any problem with the news feed in Wyoming?
 
wizenheimer said:
LOL

I was replying to a post that said "trump was not involved in any way" which is simply not credible at all...except for people like you and OB apparently. And as I said, involvement can be both before and after the fact. It can also mean 'to benefit'

for chrissakes just fucking google what George Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to. And yeah, I know about the strategy of deniability , but anyone who believes trump didn't know about any contacts between his campaign, wikileaks, and russia is willfully naive. And why the fuck did the orange asshole spend his first 3 years doing dishonest and ridiculous back-flips about russian involvement?...yeah, I would say guilty conscience but of course that requires a moral compass and trump has none

* "At least 17 Trump associates had contacts with Russians or Wikileaks, which released hacked documents, during the campaign or transition, according to an analysis of public records by the New York Times, with at least 100 face-to-face interactions, phone calls or electronic messages with Russians or Kremlin-linked figures and at least 51 individual communications.

Trump aides known to have had contact with Russians include the president's son-in-law and adviser Jared Kushner, his son Donald Trump Jr, former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, Attorney General Jeff Sessions and former personal lawyer Michael Cohen." *

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but there is also this:


* " No, Mueller does not appear to have developed evidence that anyone associated with the Trump campaign was involved in the hacking operation itself. And no, the investigation did not find a criminal conspiracy in the veritable blizzard of contacts between Trumpworld and the Russians. But this is an ugly story for Trump.

Here’s the key point: If there wasn’t collusion on the hacking, it sure wasn’t for lack of trying. Indeed, the Mueller report makes clear that Trump personally ordered an attempt to obtain Hillary Clinton’s emails; and people associated with the campaign pursued this believing they were dealing with Russian hackers. Trump also personally engaged in discussions about coordinating public-relations strategy around WikiLeaks releases of hacked emails. At least one person associated with the campaign was in touch directly with the Guccifer 2.0 persona—which is to say with Russian military intelligence. And Donald Trump Jr. was directly in touch with WikiLeaks—from whom he obtained a password to a hacked database. There are reasons none of these incidents amount to crimes—good reasons, in my view, in most cases, viable judgment calls in others. But the picture it all paints of the president’s conduct is anything but exonerating." *

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/04/ben-wittes-five-conclusions-mueller-report/588259/

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that's the definition of involvement, and fuck the ridiculous idea that trump wasn't part of it

I don't give a shit about trump leg-humpers trying to parse legal terms or arguing about exoneration from weak-asss investigations that didn't at least test any legal boundaries between courts and the administration or the legislative and executive. Trump was involved in what russia did in 2016. He was involved when it was happening, and he was involved when his white house was trying to cover up and distract
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All those words and you still don’t have shit. what’s your point? Trump and people he knows had contact with Russians? What happened during this contact? Any transcripts? Was it the Russian government or private citizens? Or was it simply just....THE RUSSIANS! As the clowns on MSNBC would say?

Oh how about Wikileaks though? That’s where things really look bad for Trump. They released concrete proof of Hillary Clinton literally doing the thing they accused Trump of, election meddling, and somehow it’s supposed to make Trump look bad? Is there any proof that he commissioned the hack? Spoiler alert: No. Oh but he “coordinated a public relations strategy around the hacked emails”. Um, yeah no shit. Why the fuck wouldn’t anyone running against her use that information? She’s a corrupt piece of shit and deserved everything she got. I’m glad she got hacked, fuck her. Still no proof Trump had anything to do with it though (I’m seeing a trend here).

You’ve got pretty solid proof of a bunch of irrelevant sidenotes mixed in with pretty heavy accusations that are unsubstantiated. It’s not an uncommon tactic. Just because you can prove Trump went to Disneyland doesn’t make the rest of the story about him doing blow and fucking hookers with Donald Duck true. It’s a dumb media tactic that you’ve been sucking through a feeding tube for four years. There’s no proof of anything and if there was the fuckstains on MSNBC and CNN wouldn’t have to be inventing new scandals every 6 months then abandoning ship like rats when they’ve exhausted every avenue and still can’t prove shit.
 
jonnyboy said:
All those words and you still don’t have shit. what’s your point? Trump and people he knows had contact with Russians? What happened during this contact? Any transcripts? Was it the Russian government or private citizens? Or was it simply just....THE RUSSIANS! As the clowns on MSNBC would say?

Oh how about Wikileaks though? That’s where things really look bad for Trump. They released concrete proof of Hillary Clinton literally doing the thing they accused Trump of, election meddling, and somehow it’s supposed to make Trump look bad? Is there any proof that he commissioned the hack? Spoiler alert: No. Oh but he “coordinated a public relations strategy around the hacked emails”. Um, yeah no shit. Why the fuck wouldn’t anyone running against her use that information? She’s a corrupt piece of shit and deserved everything she got. I’m glad she got hacked, fuck her. Still no proof Trump had anything to do with it though (I’m seeing a trend here).

You’ve got pretty solid proof of a bunch of irrelevant sidenotes mixed in with pretty heavy accusations that are unsubstantiated. It’s not an uncommon tactic. Just because you can prove Trump went to Disneyland doesn’t make the rest of the story about him doing blow and fucking hookers with Donald Duck true. It’s a dumb media tactic that you’ve been sucking through a feeding tube for four years. There’s no proof of anything and if there was the fuckstains on MSNBC and CNN wouldn’t have to be inventing new scandals every 6 months then abandoning ship like rats when they’ve exhausted every avenue and still can’t prove shit.
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Several fucking intelligence groups said the RUSSIANS interfered in the elections and it's still happening. The only one inventing unfounded conspiracies is YOU.
 
CupWizier said:
Several fucking intelligence groups said the RUSSIANS interfered in the elections and it's still happening. The only one inventing unfounded conspiracies is YOU.
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BLAH RUSSIA!!! Let’s start a war already! Which intelligence agencies did you find that Mueller couldn’t?
 
jonnyboy said:
BLAH RUSSIA!!! Let’s start a war already! Which intelligence agencies did you find that Mueller couldn’t?
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Mueller didn’t say that the Russians didn’t meddle in the election. He said there wasn’t any evidence that the Trump campaign collided with the Russians.
 
jonnyboy said:
All those words and you still don’t have shit. what’s your point? Trump and people he knows had contact with Russians? What happened during this contact? Any transcripts? Was it the Russian government or private citizens? Or was it simply just....THE RUSSIANS! As the clowns on MSNBC would say?

Oh how about Wikileaks though? That’s where things really look bad for Trump. They released concrete proof of Hillary Clinton literally doing the thing they accused Trump of, election meddling, and somehow it’s supposed to make Trump look bad? Is there any proof that he commissioned the hack? Spoiler alert: No. Oh but he “coordinated a public relations strategy around the hacked emails”. Um, yeah no shit. Why the fuck wouldn’t anyone running against her use that information? She’s a corrupt piece of shit and deserved everything she got. I’m glad she got hacked, fuck her. Still no proof Trump had anything to do with it though (I’m seeing a trend here).

You’ve got pretty solid proof of a bunch of irrelevant sidenotes mixed in with pretty heavy accusations that are unsubstantiated. It’s not an uncommon tactic. Just because you can prove Trump went to Disneyland doesn’t make the rest of the story about him doing blow and fucking hookers with Donald Duck true. It’s a dumb media tactic that you’ve been sucking through a feeding tube for four years. There’s no proof of anything and if there was the fuckstains on MSNBC and CNN wouldn’t have to be inventing new scandals every 6 months then abandoning ship like rats when they’ve exhausted every avenue and still can’t prove shit.
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oh for chrissakes....you really need to up your game; are you sick or something?

if you're going to dismiss what somebody is saying by calling it a bunch of words that don't mean shit...just have the balls to just say "All those words and they don’t mean shit ".....and leave it at that.

but to just blast out that worn out too-many-words junk, then follow it up with your own big shit-pile of words is just pitiful posting. Do better than that jb

basically, don't be this guy again:

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wizenheimer said:
oh for chrissakes....you really need to up your game; are you sick or something?

if you're going to dismiss what somebody is saying by calling it a bunch of words that don't mean shit...just have the balls to just say "All those words and they don’t mean shit ".....and leave it at that.

but to just blast out that too-many-words dismissal, then follow it up with your own big pile of words that don't mean shit, is just pitiful posting.

basically, don't be this guy again:

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Like I said, you don’t have shit.
 
jonnyboy said:
BLAH RUSSIA!!! Let’s start a war already! Which intelligence agencies did you find that Mueller couldn’t?
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Mueller couldn't? Do you actually research anything or just wake up and instantly insert your foot in your mouth? There are plenty of articles for you to do some research but I will offer one recently from the Republican led Senate Intelligent Committee headed up by Republican Richard Burr.

https://www.intelligence.senate.gov...tel-community-assessment-russian-interference

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The jack-booted thugs are needed elsewhere, I guess.

barfo
 
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