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THE HCP said:
My son and his best friends are about 20 feet behind Dame....... sharing their passion and support for a great movement. Everybody is entitled to their opinion, but yours in MY opinion, couldn't be further from the truth.

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I don’t know where that demonstration is located relative to the one where people are are equipped with shields and sticks and beating the shit out of each other in the streets. Throwing paint, smoke bombs and spraying pepper spray.

I’m guessing you wouldn’t want your kids participating in that one.

March and demonstrate, doesn’t bother me. In fact I encourage it. It’s a right that needs to be preserved regardless of whatever movement it is.

Adult children doing live action role play in the streets, dressed for “battle” and fucking shit up playing pretend is fucking pathetic. My comment was in reference to the video showing antifa losers playing braveheart with the proud boy losers.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
March and demonstration at @jonnyboy's house!

Any word on what we're protesting? Will you be BBQ'ing? I will protest for good BBQ!
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And good beer. Don't forget the good beer. In fact the good beer might be just as important as the good BBQ. What's that? More important? Okay, I'll go for that as long as you're twisting my arm.
 
jonnyboy said:
Crawfish boil
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I ate the tail of one one time when I was about ten years old. My cousin kind of dared me to join him in eating one. He fished for crawdads in Tryon Creek, which wasn't a park in those days and they were the only easy thing to catch in that creek. We took an empty one pound coffee can which we filled with creek water. We started a fire on the side of the creek and got the coffee can water boiling. We threw our crawdads in and that was that. My cousin sucked the thorax but I drew the line at that. Haven't eaten one since and don't think I could at my ripe old age.
 
Lanny said:
I ate the tail of one one time when I was about ten years old. My cousin kind of dared me to join him in eating one. He fished for crawdads in Tryon Creek, which wasn't a park in those days and they were the only easy thing to catch in that creek. We took an empty one pound coffee can which we filled with creek water. We started a fire on the side of the creek and got the coffee can water boiling. We threw our crawdads in and that was that. My cousin sucked the thorax but I drew the line at that. Haven't eaten one since and don't think I could at my ripe old age.
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You didn’t do it right!

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jonnyboy said:
You didn’t do it right!

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In my defense, hey I was ten years old and no idea what to do other than what my ten year old cousin instructed.

However, omit the crawdads and I'm happy to eat that boil. You could even add cold water lobster and I could choke it all down, forcing myself to eat the tail and claw meat of the lobster one after another after another after another . . .
 
Lanny said:
Son of a bitch is too cheap to call up the National Guard himself because then he'd have to pay for it rather than governor Brown.
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Okay, thats a total crap of double standards Lanny. How long has he been ripped for interfering in state issues with the feds?



I mean, is he supposed to interfere or not? Trump haters cant have it both ways.


He sent in federal Agents and got EVISCERATED for it. Now you are going to say its his issue?
 
Didnt take the democratic WI Governor to l0ng to call in the Guard.
 
Hoopguru said:
Didnt take the democratic WI Governor to l0ng to call in the Guard.
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but if Trump did, the left would scream its unconstitutional!! Stay out of my state!!!

doc holiday in tombstone said it best...

my hypocrisy knows no bounds!!!
 
Orion Bailey said:
but if Trump did, the left would scream its unconstitutional!! Stay out of my state!!!

doc holiday in tombstone said it best...

my hypocrisy knows no bounds!!!
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That's actually not hypocritical, regardless of which party did it. A state doing something themselves versus having the federal government impose it against their will are two separate things. It's not hypocritical to do something yourself and decry someone else forcing it on you.
 
Minstrel said:
That's actually not hypocritical, regardless of which party did it. A state doing something themselves versus having the federal government impose it against their will are two separate things. It's not hypocritical to do something yourself and decry someone else forcing it on you.
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I think the hypocrisy are those upset Trump or the feds dont do more, while also upset when they attempt to do more.

I think Trump desperately wants to wield the feds like an authoritarian, but I also think its strange reading people very upset that he wants to wield the authority like that, while also upset he doesnt do it more often...
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I think the hypocrisy are those upset Trump or the feds dont do more, while also upset when they attempt to do more.

I think Trump desperately wants to wield the feds like an authoritarian, but I also think its strange reading people very upset that he wants to wield the authority like that, while also upset he doesnt do it more often...
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Nailed it.

When it serves the narrative, Trump should do more. When it doesnt, he is a dictator.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I think the hypocrisy are those upset Trump or the feds dont do more, while also upset when they attempt to do more.

I think Trump desperately wants to wield the feds like an authoritarian, but I also think its strange reading people very upset that he wants to wield the authority like that, while also upset he doesnt do it more often...
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Part of that depends on the what, right? The federal government providing PPE and ventilators isn't anyone's idea of authoritarianism. The federal government sending in troops against the wishes of the city and state is a lot of people's idea of authoritarianism. We expect the federal government to do some things and not others.
 
Minstrel said:
Part of that depends on the what, right? The federal government providing PPE and ventilators isn't anyone's idea of authoritarianism. The federal government sending in troops against the wishes of the city and state is a lot of people's idea of authoritarianism. We expect the federal government to do some things and not others.
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So what about when people wanted Trump to do something about the mask protestors?
 
Minstrel said:
Part of that depends on the what, right? The federal government providing PPE and ventilators isn't anyone's idea of authoritarianism. The federal government sending in troops against the wishes of the city and state is a lot of people's idea of authoritarianism. We expect the federal government to do some things and not others.
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Well, we weren't talking COVID, in this instance up above there was a comment upset at Trump not wanting to spend money to send in the national guard to Portland. When he did send law enforcement he was resoundingly asked to leave (which by the way hasn't seemed to make it better but maybe it has). So I think the point being made was now there are people upset that Trump won't send in law enforcement, that (and maybe this isn't the case) are also upset he sent in law enforcement.
 
Orion Bailey said:
So what about when people wanted Trump to do something about the mask protestors?
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Which people? I didn't see people demanding Trump do something about mask protestors, other than stop acting like masks were useless himself. If anyone demanded Trump stop mask protestors and also demanded he stay out of state affairs, sure, they were hypocritical.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Well, we weren't talking COVID, in this instance up above there was a comment upset at Trump not wanting to spend money to send in the national guard to Portland. When he did send law enforcement he was resoundingly asked to leave (which by the way hasn't seemed to make it better but maybe it has). So I think the point being made was now there are people upset that Trump won't send in law enforcement, that (and maybe this isn't the case) are also upset he sent in law enforcement.
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Yeah, I agree, that one comment was a bit confused (assuming he was against Trump sending troops in, which he probably was). That struck me, also, as trying to find any way to criticize Trump.
 
Minstrel said:
Which people? I didn't see people demanding Trump do something about mask protestors, other than stop acting like masks were useless himself. If anyone demanded Trump stop mask protestors and also demanded he stay out of state affairs, sure, they were hypocritical.
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Then you either missed it or dismissed it. Some people in here raised holy hell even.
 
Minstrel said:
Which people? I didn't see people demanding Trump do something about mask protestors, other than stop acting like masks were useless himself. If anyone demanded Trump stop mask protestors and also demanded he stay out of state affairs, sure, they were hypocritical.
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Minstrel said:
Yeah, I agree, that one comment was a bit confused (assuming he was against Trump sending troops in, which he probably was). That struck me, also, as trying to find any way to criticize Trump.
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So we agree then. The mask was just one inference.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Then you either missed it or dismissed it. Some people in here raised holy hell even.
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Orion Bailey said:
So we agree then. The mask was just one inference.
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Not really. I still haven't seen people who demanded Trump keep troops out of Portland also demand Trump do something about mask protestors. Feel free to show me those people.

I agreed with TBF that one person's post earlier was a stretch of trying to find something to tag on Trump, but even that post wasn't an example of what you were talking about.
 
Minstrel said:
Not really. I still haven't seen people who demanded Trump keep troops out of Portland also demand Trump do something about mask protestors. Feel free to show me those people.

I agreed with TBF that one person's post earlier was a stretch of trying to find something to tag on Trump, but even that post wasn't an example of what you were talking about.
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I'm sorry, not masked protestors, masks. many screamed for him to make a national mandate on masks. then they say don't send help into our city. Then condemn him for not sending in the national guard.

You can argue the semantics all you want. Its a pretty glaring double standard somehow dismissed and/or ignored by many who lean left.
 
Orion Bailey said:
I'm sorry, not masked protestors, masks. many screamed for him to make a national mandate on masks. then they say don't send help into our city.
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I know you didn't mean masked protestors--I thought you meant people protesting masks. I didn't see people demanding him to require masks; he can't do a national mask mandate, as far as I'm aware. It's not within his powers.
 
Minstrel said:
I know you didn't mean masked protestors--I thought you meant people protesting masks. I didn't see people demanding him to require masks; he can't do a national mask mandate, as far as I'm aware. It's not within his powers.
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Isnt that something he’s criticized for not doing and something Biden says he will do? Im asking for clarification not argument.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Isnt that something he’s criticized for not doing and something Biden says he will do? Im asking for clarification not argument.
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I don't know, I hadn't seen Biden announce it, but I didn't watch the convention. I don't think it's possible for the President to do himself. It's something Congress can do, I think, and Presidential candidates often campaign on things they can't do alone (like Bernie Sanders and Medicare For All or Andrew Yang and Universal Basic Income).
 
Minstrel said:
I don't know, I hadn't seen Biden announce it, but I didn't watch the convention. I don't think it's possible for the President to do himself. It's something Congress can do, I think, and Presidential candidates often campaign on things they can't do alone (like Bernie Sanders and Medicare For All or Andrew Yang and Universal Basic Income).
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https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2020/08/9977936/joe-biden-national-mask-mandate

https://thehill.com/homenews/corona...-they-support-national-face-mask-mandate-poll
 
I believe it would be something similar to seat belt laws. While the federal government didn't make a national seat belt law they did tie it to the federal highway money they give to states. No seat belt law, less federal money. In this case they could tie it to federal aid to states, no mask mandate, no get to suck off federal teat.
 
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