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Orion Bailey said:
Okay, thats a total crap of double standards Lanny. How long has he been ripped for interfering in state issues with the feds?



I mean, is he supposed to interfere or not? Trump haters cant have it both ways.


He sent in federal Agents and got EVISCERATED for it. Now you are going to say its his issue?
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It's not crap at all because I'm not calling for the National Guard, Trump is.
And here the states are trying to deal with Trump's horrific fuck up with the virus and rapidly running out of income as a result and here Trump wants to saddle a state with a debt he should incur if he wants the service. No, he's a cheap ass bastard and always has been.
Look how he's stiffed the little guys who worked for him constructing his buildings and working in those buildings. Also, look at how he's undoubtedly been cheating on his income taxes. He's miserly.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I believe it would be something similar to seat belt laws. While the federal government didn't make a national seat belt law they did tie it to the federal highway money they give to states. No seat belt law, less federal money. In this case they could tie it to federal aid to states, no mask mandate, no get to suck off federal teat.
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I do not think this analogy makes a lot of sense. If you do not wear a seatbelt - you are not, generally a bigger risk to others on the road or near it, but to yourself, but if you are not wearing a mask during this health crisis - you are a bigger risk to others around you.

There are Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards regulations - which means that no new car can be sold in the US that does not pass these regulations - and while many of these regulations (like crash protection) are for protecting the driver/passengers - there are a lot of them (brake, steering systems, lights etc...) which are there to protect others.

If the federal government can regulate safety standards in vehicles to protect other people - there is no reason it should not protect people's health during the pandemic. If this is something that requires congress or an executive order I really do not know - but the analogy made above - is not good enough, imho.
 
andalusian said:
I do not think this analogy makes a lot of sense. If you do not wear a seatbelt - you are not, generally a bigger risk to others on the road or near it, but to yourself, but if you are not wearing a mask during this health crisis - you are a bigger risk to others around you.

There are Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards regulations - which means that no new car can be sold in the US that does not pass these regulations - and while many of these regulations (like crash protection) are for protecting the driver/passengers - there are a lot of them (brake, steering systems, lights etc...) which are there to protect others.

If the federal government can regulate safety standards in vehicles to protect other people - there is no reason it should not protect people's health during the pandemic. If this is something that requires congress or an executive order I really do not know - but the analogy made above - is not good enough, imho.
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My point is the feds have ways to make states follow mandates.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
My point is the feds have ways to make states follow mandates.
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I understand that.

My point was that this was not a good analogy because it lessens the point that requiring a federal action for protection during a pandemic that already claimed over 170,000 people while disagreeing with the federal government sending people to be abducted on the streets because of graffiti and calling it a hypocrisy - is hypocrisy by itself.

There is no hypocrisy in requiring federal protection against real threats vs. inconsequential ones - and wearing a mask is not like wearing a seat-belt. One of them protects the innocents, the other protects people from themselves.
 
HailBlazers said:
Would you run into the fire if your neighbor refused to provide water for the flames?
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You mean if your neighbor set his own house on fire after spray painting “fuck trump” all over it then demanded others help clean up the mess? Yeah, weird those neighbors don’t feel like helping.
 
jonnyboy said:
You mean if your neighbor set his own house on fire after spray painting “fuck trump” all over it then demanded others help clean up the mess? Yeah, weird those neighbors don’t feel like helping.
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What media outlet told you Portland Metro Police were spray painting fuck Trump all over the city? My hard core right wing neighbor had a fir tree crush his house in a wind storm years ago...we all showed up in minutes with chain saws to cut it off the house and his truck......politics have nothing to do with being a concerned neighbor..that neighbor passed away years ago but his politics didn't kill empathy off.....Trump's camp shows no empathy...real news
 
You ever notice that the people who have the most ardent, angry and out of touch with reality views on the city of Portland (and how it's being run) tend to be those who don't actually live in the city of Portland?

Almost as if they've gotten their information from the same source that is conning them and they believe it.
 
julius said:
You ever notice that the people who have the most ardent, angry and out of touch with reality views on the city of Portland (and how it's being run) tend to be those who don't actually live in the city of Portland?

Almost as if they've gotten their information from the same source that is conning them and they believe it.
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Give us some good news, then, padre.
 
julius said:
Good job at avoiding actually thinking for yourself.
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Meanwhile, you're about as vague as a weed in the back yard. Good job yourself, Mr. Deflection.
 
ABM said:
Meanwhile, you're about as vague as a weed in the back yard. Good job yourself, Mr. Deflection.
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You are the one who actually said he was an "abject failure" but has given no evidence outside of "my confirmation bias says so".

Meanwhile, I actually said I didn't like how he (and the city) has handled the homeless situation and allowing protest groups to do all sorts of shit in a small section of downtown Portland.

It's like you don't even want to engage in an actual conversation about it, but just repeat talking points that sound like it makes you appear smart.

What has Wheeler done that YOU PERSONALLY think makes him an "abject failure"?

Not "my family said this", but what YOU think.

Otherwise, you're just talking out of your ass, and thinking that you are somehow actually being the one who is presenting sound arguments.
 
riverman said:
What media outlet told you Portland Metro Police were spray painting fuck Trump all over the city? My hard core right wing neighbor had a fir tree crush his house in a wind storm years ago...we all showed up in minutes with chain saws to cut it off the house and his truck......politics have nothing to do with being a concerned neighbor..that neighbor passed away years ago but his politics didn't kill empathy off.....Trump's camp shows no empathy...real news
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I wasn’t talking about the police. I was talking about sympathizers like Wheeler and Brown. They’re expecting police from other counties to come help all of the sudden after they’ve given their own police no power to do anything and allowed the situation to spin out of control. Why would other police want to throw themselves into a mess to help out a mayor or governor that showed zero accountability and basically incubated the entire problem?
 
jonnyboy said:
I wasn’t talking about the police. I was talking about sympathizers like Wheeler and Brown. They’re expecting police from other counties to come help all of the sudden after they’ve given their own police no power to do anything and allowed the situation to spin out of control. Why would other police want to throw themselves into a mess to help out a mayor or governor that showed zero accountability and basically incubated the entire problem?
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Because those are their brothers out there battling every night and should have their back. I honestly can't believe they aren't going to support them.
 
julius said:
You are the one who actually said he was an "abject failure" but has given no evidence outside of "my confirmation bias says so".

Meanwhile, I actually said I didn't like how he (and the city) has handled the homeless situation and allowing protest groups to do all sorts of shit in a small section of downtown Portland.

It's like you don't even want to engage in an actual conversation about it, but just repeat talking points that sound like it makes you appear smart.

What has Wheeler done that YOU PERSONALLY think makes him an "abject failure"?

Not "my family said this", but what YOU think.

Otherwise, you're just talking out of your ass, and thinking that you are somehow actually being the one who is presenting sound arguments.
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I would say that Wheeler and the governor, and well most Democratic leaders around the country, are struggling right now between the need to recognize the BLM cause, start the move towards social justice reforms, etc. vs having some reasonable line between legitimate protest and unlawful vandalism/rioting. There’s a whole lot of left wing paralysis right now. Trump senses the divide and, being the self-seeking a-hole that he is, is willing to feed the fires in the hopes that people’s fears will get him re-elected. Biden is trying to support the protest but denounce the violence. In short, it’s a dreadful dance of ineptitude at all levels.
 
julius said:
What has Wheeler done that YOU PERSONALLY think makes him an "abject failure"?
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The absolute mayhem in Portland, in and of itself, makes him an abject failure in my book. This should NEVER have come this far and even his own party is leveling harsh pushback against the man.

This is 2020. You really think because I live in Nashville I can't understand what is going on out there? Portland is becoming the laughingstock of the nation as it pertains to civil unrest, etc. Shameful. And Wheeler could've taken a stand a LONG time ago!

That all said, are seeing any good coming out of all of this?
 
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ABM said:
The absolute mayhem in Portland, in and of itself, makes him an abject failure in my book. This should NEVER have come this far and even his own party is leveling harsh pushback against the man.

This is 2020. You really think because I live in Nashville I can't understand what is going on out there? Portland is becoming the laughingstock of the nation as it pertains to civil unrest, etc. Shameful. And Wheeler could've taken a stand a LONG time ago!

That all said, are seeing any good coming out of all of this?
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you aren't giving examples, you're just saying catch phrases.

Give examples of the "absolute mayhem" in Portland that he is the reason for.

You aren't in the city, you aren't walking in the city, you aren't driving through the city. you aren't experiencing FIRST HAND what is happening. So yes, I think you living in Nashville means you can't understand what is actually going on in Portland. NO more than I can understand what is happening in Flint Mich, because the portrayal is not what is actually happening.
 
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