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Stevenson said:
All true.

Over the summer, I could’ve told you what they’re protesting. #BLM. I encouraged my children to go protest, and they did and they got teargassed and I was proud of them.

But someone please tell me and @ABM what they’re protesting now. Or answer the question of the original post - what is going on in Portland?

What are they protesting, what do they hope to accomplish, why is vandalizing the city acceptable.? How is it anything but a bunch of anarchists coming up with a “reason” to f with our beloved city?

anyone, anyone?
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This is THE issue though. They are NOT protesting. The city, police, leaders, everyone needs to come to grips the difference between protests and destruction, riots, anger, anarchy. It may sound extreme, but we all know it but let it continue. Stop the madness. Arrest this MF'ers and lock their asses up. Guess what, even these dipshits will not enjoy 7 days in a jail cell. They'll think twice. Right now there is NOOOOO incentive for them to stop.
 
e_blazer said:
Is that a problem for you? Xenophobe!
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barfo doesn't know how to play the xenophobe, that's the #1 reason why he was forced to quit the blue man group. Well, that and he insisted on performing in the nude.
 
Stevenson said:
All true.

Over the summer, I could’ve told you what they’re protesting. #BLM. I encouraged my children to go protest, and they did and they got teargassed and I was proud of them.

But someone please tell me and @ABM what they’re protesting now. Or answer the question of the original post - what is going on in Portland?

What are they protesting, what do they hope to accomplish, why is vandalizing the city acceptable.? How is it anything but a bunch of anarchists coming up with a “reason” to f with our beloved city?

anyone, anyone?
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Here's a statement from Rose City Antifa from a Willamette Week article:

In its Feb. 1 statement, Rose City Antifa explained its stance on the Biden administration.

"Over the last year we've seen a lot of confusion and misinformation about antifascism in the press. In an effort to clear up some of the misconceptions about our work, we wanted to reach out to you as researchers, and fellow Portlanders, to offer our services. We've published a wealth of information about the insurgent far-right in the Pacific Northwest on our website, including detailed information about the organizing of the local Proud Boys who recently participated in the January 6th riot at the Capitol. Additionally, we have a great deal more information and context about the far-right that goes unpublished but may be of value to your reporting.

We are happy to work with the media whenever we can in order to ensure that you have the information and context you need for your reporting. Our capacity for recorded interviews can vary at times but we can almost always respond to emailed questions in a timely manner and we work very hard to make time for other formats whenever possible. Going forward please reach out if you need anything!

Regarding misconceptions, below we have some FAQs for your reference.

1. What do antifascists do? How do you do it?
** While antifascism is a broad ideology, we define it as actions taken against the insurgent right-wing. To this end, our work includes in-depth research into far-right groups and provocateurs, educating the community on the findings of our research, and taking steps to directly oppose these groups and individuals. We primarily use open-source intelligence to conduct this research and work within the Portland community to build a sustainable antifascist culture in Portland.

2. What is Rose City Antifa's role in recent political protests?
** Rose City Antifa has not been organizing recent protests, although we stand in solidarity with those who express opposition to current systems of oppression. Our focus is on combatting the insurgent right wing, so we keep our scope small and specific to opposing far-right groups and individuals that actively threaten our community. In general, when we are involved in any events as an organization, we promote it on our social media and include our group name and logo on flyers or other promotions. If an event does not have our name on the promotional materials, it is safe to assume we are not involved in it.

3. How has the "antifa movement" been involved in recent protests?
** While many of the people involved may consider themselves antifascists in ideology, we narrowly define antifascism as actions taken to oppose the insurgent right-wing. Under this definition, protests that are not involved in direct opposition to far-right violence and instead combat the state, capitalism, etc. would not be considered antifascist protests. Instead, these would be more accurately described as anarchist, anti-capitalist, anti-authoritarian, or another term reflecting the specific ideology of the participants. We recommend reaching out to groups who have promoted events or, if they are unresponsive, researching their ideologies in order to determine the most accurate description of their goals and tactics.

4. How does RCA feel about the Biden administration?
** We always remind people that our group was founded shortly before the Obama presidency, an administration during which Biden served as vice-president, and one during which we saw the rise of the alt-right to the national stage and the rapid growth of fringe, anti-government militia movements. Trump did not create those conditions, he was supported by them. While we are glad he is gone, the systems that empowered him and emboldened white supremacist groups in this country are still very much in place. Changing administrations has not eradicated the threat of fascism and it's plausible that as insurgent right wing groups lose power in more mainstream political channels that they will adopt violent guerrilla tactics like we saw on January 6th.

Again, we're reaching out to you because we recognize that our work is often mysterious or misunderstood and we want to make sure that you know that we're available to you as a resource. We post information when we have it on both our website and our Twitter, both linked below. If you have any further questions about our group, the state of far-right organizing in the Pacific Northwest or anything else regarding our work please don't hesitate to reach out."

https://www.wweek.com/news/city/202...ters-who-smashed-windows-vandalized-property/
 
riverman said:
Portland became too chaotic for me over 20 years ago so I moved to the woods. My granddaughter is living downtown now and studying film making at the Art College. The chaos is all she's ever known in Portland....she's from San Diego but she love Portland....I've never been impressed with Oregons political leadership...Eugene is super left leaning and they just argue over Starbucks and gluten free snacks and push the agenda further down the road....I love the land here. People come and go from all over the planet but this land is special. Where I go in my free time there are few people....fishing takes care of all that shit. Young people need to get involved in govt and walk the walk. The police need to do their job and walk the walk. I love Oregon.....but Portland isn't my favorite place in Oregon at all. I have many friends who live in the city and will never leave. Most of them don't like the woods and grew up in much larger cities with worse conditions. Bottom line is we need to address abject poverty and crime in the public everywhere. What needs to be done needs to be done for the preservation of America, not political parties
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I think there's also a difference between living in the city and living in Portland.

Living downtown (as would be the case in every city) is completely different than living in the different neighborhoods throughout the town.

The homelessness impacts most of the area though, but it's really evident near major roads.
 
In reality there needs to be major protests standing up to the violence, homelessness issue, lack of leadership, etc., that I would think both sides would support, but Portland has blown its load (sorry) with protests that no one will take it seriously. Its the Little Boy Who Cried Wolf syndrome.
 
calvin natt said:
In reality there needs to be major protests standing up to the violence, homelessness issue, lack of leadership, etc., that I would think both sides would support, but Portland has blown its load (sorry) with protests that no one will take it seriously. Its the Little Boy Who Cried Wolf syndrome.
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Is Ted Wheeler an "abject failure" as a Mayor in your opinion?

https://katu.com/news/local/pearl-district-businesses-clean-up-after-protest-vandalism

KATU reached out to Mayor Ted Wheeler's office to ask how his team plans to respond to this. We're still waiting to hear back at this time.
 
tlongII said:
Are you saying all the problems with downtown Portland are due to COVID-19? If so, I would argue that is false.
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No. I am saying many of them have been excaberated by it.
 
ABM said:
Wow, that river water you've been drinking must be goooood.
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you are caller number 221....we appreciate your patience....please enjoy the soothing sounds of Kenny G while we wait to connect you to an available operator....
 
Stevenson said:
@calvin natt for mayor!

"What is antifa? we define it as actions taken against the insurgent right-wing."

Well, if that is so, they are in the wrong friggin city!
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They can't hang in right wing cities. They would get taken out back and well you get the idea
 
riverman said:
you are caller number 221....we appreciate your patience....please enjoy the soothing sounds of Kenny G while we wait to connect you to an available operator....
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Great, another canned response from The Philippines.
 
ABM said:
Tell that to @julius.
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Of all the things that are expected of a mayor, I’m not sure anything would possibly be above safety. Do people feel safe walking around Portland now vs previous years? Of course some will say yes, I feel great. But the percentage of people who don’t even go downtown or feel unsafe is higher than ever. Wheeler doesn’t seem to take a hard stance on anything. Pick something and dig in. I’m not sure what his “something” is.
 
calvin natt said:
Of all the things that are expected of a mayor, I’m not sure anything would possibly be above safety. Do people feel safe walking around Portland now vs previous years? Of course some will say yes, I feel great. But the percentage of people who don’t even go downtown or feel unsafe is higher than ever. Wheeler doesn’t seem to take a hard stance on anything. Pick something and dig in. I’m not sure what his “something” is.
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In the prohibition years Portland was gangster central...lots of violence and crime and corruption....Seattle too....Oregon has a sketchy history and has had it's share of crime boss mayors...all that's really left of that era are strip clubs now
 
riverman said:
In the prohibition years Portland was gangster central...lots of violence and crime and corruption....Seattle too....Oregon has a sketchy history and has had it's share of crime boss mayors...all that's really left of that era are strip clubs now
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Ok. Then since Prohibition.
 
ABM said:
Is Ted Wheeler an "abject failure" as a Mayor in your opinion?

https://katu.com/news/local/pearl-district-businesses-clean-up-after-protest-vandalism

KATU reached out to Mayor Ted Wheeler's office to ask how his team plans to respond to this. We're still waiting to hear back at this time.
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Civil disruption within a 2-3 block area versus a major explosion downtown that caused at least as much property destruction. Sounds like in a race for “Most Abject Mayor”, John Cooper of Nashville wins by a landslide (see how that works?).
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Civil disruption within a 2-3 block area versus a major explosion downtown that caused at least as much property destruction. Sounds like in a race for “Most Abject Mayor”, John Cooper of Nashville wins by a landslide (see how that works?).
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More like 10-15 blocks. To be fair the explosion wasn't really Cooper's fault. Not sure what else he has failed to do there. Not familiar with his work or lack thereof.

Wheeler does bare a responsibility for the homelessness issues and not taking more action when it came to anarchists fucking up downtown.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Civil disruption within a 2-3 block area versus a major explosion downtown that caused at least as much property destruction. Sounds like in a race for “Most Abject Mayor”, John Cooper of Nashville wins by a landslide (see how that works?).
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Sure, the Nashville bombing was entirely unexpected and a terrible tragedy as a whole. The dude was a one-man-show wacko who, I'm certain, Mayor John Cooper (a Democrat, BTW), had nothing to do with. Nashville will (and is) quickly recover.

Hey, in other recent local news, though...

https://fox17.com/news/local/nashvi...-destination-by-global-travel-tourism-council

NASHVILLE, Tenn.--Nashville is now one of only two locations in the United States named a "Safe Travels" destination by the World Travel & Tourism Council.......
 
ABM said:
Sure, the Nashville bombing was entirely unexpected and a terrible tragedy as a whole. The dude was a one-man-show wacko who, I'm certain, Mayor John Cooper (a Democrat, BTW), had nothing to do with. Nashville will (and is) quickly recover.

Hey, in other recent local news, though...

https://fox17.com/news/local/nashvi...-destination-by-global-travel-tourism-council

because everyone knows travel tourism councils are all about selling tours and especially for that Fox news crowd....
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fixed Nashville has 11.4 violent crimes per 1000 people.....Tennessee has 5.95 per 1000 and the National avg is 4.......your article is false...completely false...this data is Dec 2020....only 3 % of the cities in the country have a worse crime rate....fewer have a higher violent crime rate
 
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Chris Craig said:
More like 10-15 blocks. To be fair the explosion wasn't really Cooper's fault. Not sure what else he has failed to do there. Not familiar with his work or lack thereof.

Wheeler does bare a responsibility for the homelessness issues and not taking more action when it came to anarchists fucking up downtown.
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Gotta disagree. Police nationwide tied their own hands through a decades old pattern of misbehavior (and recent events around the country have shown that they have yet to learn anything positive). The protests were essentially against police violence. For the police to have cracked down in the “usual” fashion would have been a self fulfilling prophecy and even more justification of the protests. Trump sicced federal agents on the protestors and we all saw how well that worked. Now that Trump is gone and Biden appears to be trying take things in a better direction, there is currently no need for the continual protests, and yes, Wheeler should start cracking down. But then, that’s kind of tough if he doesn’t have the full support of the city council. Perhaps Wheeler would be more effective if Portland had an actual effective form of city government (City Manager) rather than having to worry about reelection with every single move he makes. Right now, whatever “protests” are taking place are essentially civil disobedience for the sake of the “disobedience” part and should be dealt with. But it’s always going to be about the optics, unfortunately.

And as has been pointed out, the homeless situation has been a problem for decades, with plenty of blame to go around. The pandemic just made it that much worse. For anyone to drop the blame solely in Wheeler’s lap is pure idiocy. And I have yet to hear anyone anywhere come up with a doable/workable solution to the homeless situation in Portland.....or anywhere else in this country.

And no, I really have no clear idea if Cooper is a good mayor or a bad one. I was simply showing a certain poster how the game can be played by those with less than accurate and/or complete information.....there is virtually always 360 different ways to look at an elephant.......
 
riverman said:
fixed Nashville has 11.4 violent crimes per 1000 people.....Tennessee has 5.95 per 1000 and the National avg is 4.......your article is false...completely false...this data is Dec 2020....only 3 % of the cities in the country have a worse crime rate....fewer have a higher violent crime rate
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And this makes the situation in Portland any different exactly how? Nashville is not making the national headlines other than the lone incident Cliffy so conveniently pointed out. Go back and read @Stevenson's comments if you're really wanting a more local perspective on the matter. I highly doubt we'd be seeing these same comments from you if he had been the only one posting the concern in this thread.
 
julius said:
You seem to think I'm a fan of Teds.
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I had called him an abject failure as Mayor of Portland. You seemed to take a bit of an issue with that remark. No worries, though. Just wanting to keep you in the loop. ;)
 
ABM said:
Do there have to be deaths before any concern? I'd bet, if you took a poll of America to name one city that stands out as a city of ongoing unrest and violence, Portland would top that list by far. It's plain as day for the entire nation to witness. When and how it stops is the larger issue at stake.
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A poll of opinion doesn't have anything to with facts or reality.

There is cause for concern in every major city. It is a national problem which can not be solved effectively at the state or city level.
 
tlongII said:
Are you saying all the problems with downtown Portland are due to COVID-19? If so, I would argue that is false.
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The major problems right now are definitely greatly exacerbated by covid-19 and the failures of the federal government.

No question.
 
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