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Phatguysrule said:
And we're paying $40k per year for him to do that out in the public. We could put him in jail and pay $60k per year for him to do drugs there... Until he gets out and goes back to doing it in public.

Or we could spend half to a third as much to house him and help him find treatment which would more likely be effective since it would be his choice.

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I doubt that is true, but I get what you're saying. In my opinion people cannot be helped unless they want to be helped.
 
tlongII said:
That the cost would be a half to a third as much.
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Rent is only $1500 per month... For a very nice studio... $1500 x 12 months = $18k

Homeless people cost us $40k, and jail costs more than that pretty much everywhere in the US.

I'm not advocating that we give them top of the line studios...
 
Phatguysrule said:
Rent is only $1500 per month... For a very nice studio... $1500 x 12 months = $18k

Homeless people cost us $40k, and jail costs more than that pretty much everywhere in the US.

I'm not advocating that we give them top of the line studios...
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i apologize if you've already posted it but where does the 40k per homeless come from? What is adding up to that?
 
Orion Bailey said:
i apologize if you've already posted it but where does the 40k per homeless come from? What is adding up to that?
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It's a calculation including all of the excess services being homeless requires. Additional police overtime, additional maintenance overtime, emergency services, property damage, etc.

So it's a fairly complex estimate. But it's pretty consistently around $40k for the last decade or so...
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...cretary-says-homeless-person-costs-taxpayers/

Here is another, but from 2017 showing a hair over $35k per person, but also showing that the cost drops around 49-50% by getting them off of the streets.
https://endhomelessness.org/resource/ending-chronic-homelessness-saves-taxpayers-money-2/
 
Phatguysrule said:
It's a calculation including all of the excess services being homeless requires. Additional police overtime, additional maintenance overtime, emergency services, property damage, etc.

So it's a fairly complex estimate. But it's pretty consistently around $40k for the last decade or so...
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...cretary-says-homeless-person-costs-taxpayers/

Here is another, but from 2017 showing a hair over $35k per person, but also showing that the cost drops around 49-50% by getting them off of the streets.
https://endhomelessness.org/resource/ending-chronic-homelessness-saves-taxpayers-money-2/
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I think the cost of $1500 per month is understated. I don't believe all of the other costs currently caused by homeless people will just disappear by putting them in a studio apt. Just my opinion though.
 
Phatguysrule said:
It's a calculation including all of the excess services being homeless requires. Additional police overtime, additional maintenance overtime, emergency services, property damage, etc.

So it's a fairly complex estimate. But it's pretty consistently around $40k for the last decade or so...
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...cretary-says-homeless-person-costs-taxpayers/

Here is another, but from 2017 showing a hair over $35k per person, but also showing that the cost drops around 49-50% by getting them off of the streets.
https://endhomelessness.org/resource/ending-chronic-homelessness-saves-taxpayers-money-2/
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For some reason i cant open the politifact link so maybe it answers my questions, but how is it known that police to for example was directly spent on homeless issues and not for say monitoring protests?

what would additional maintenance overtime entail that details time spent for the homeless?

how is it determined property damage was caused by a homeless? is that a tally of total damage from convictions where the accused was homeless?

how about emergency services? How do ww know the what emergencies cost how much and went directly towards a homeless person?

What proof is there that if we put them in a house they still wont need emergency services, or police wont still be called to their residence for various reasons?
 
Orion Bailey said:
For some reason i cant open the politifact link so maybe it answers my questions, but how is it known that police to for example was directly spent on homeless issues and not for say monitoring protests?

what would additional maintenance overtime entail that details time spent for the homeless?

how is it determined property damage was caused by a homeless? is that a tally of total damage from convictions where the accused was homeless?

how about emergency services? How do ww know the what emergencies cost how much and went directly towards a homeless person?

What proof is there that if we put them in a house they still wont need emergency services, or police wont still be called to their residence for various reasons?
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Hmm, yeah it works for me. These claims have been documented, and unrelated agencies have reviewed the data and confirmed them.

I would imagine most government agencies know what they are sending their employees to work on. Police write reports. So do parks and rec, etc.

Those numbers have been reviewed and verified by places like politifact, etc.

The numbers are not disputed by anybody who has reviewed them, and there is really no reason to think police, parks and rec, contractors, or emergency services would dishonestly account more of their time toward the homeless rather than protests or whatever else... And again, upon review, it appears to check out.
 
Hoopguru said:
Lanny, Im nearly, nearly, as old as you are and last year when I had to go visit my doc at Good Sam downtown I couldn't believe how many tents were up. And while walking to the hospital I noticed a couple needles along the way. There was a guy lying on the sidewalk that I didnt know was alive or dead so I asked the dude standing next to him if he was ok and the guy on the ground rolled over and said yeah man thanks for asking got any spare change. I gave the guy a couple bucks. I remember back in the sixties people in the same area panhandled all the time. And did drugs. Didnt see as many homeless and tents though.
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We go to the Good Sam area often, usually to my wife's eye doctor at Eye Health North Weat. To get there we come down Burnside to NW 23rd down to Northrup and down to the clinic. I've never seen a bit of crud or tents or trash or anything ugly. By the way, I spent the latter part of my youth living on NW 25th and Northrup at 2522 where the mayor, Bud Clark use to live buying his house from us.
 
Lanny said:
We go to the Good Sam area often, usually to my wife's eye doctor at Eye Health North Weat. To get there we come down Burnside to NW 23rd down to Northrup and down to the clinic. I've never seen a bit of crud or tents or trash or anything ugly. By the way, I spent the latter part of my youth living on NW 25th and Northrup at 2522 where the mayor, Bud Clark use to live buying his house from us.
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It was last year, they may have left that immediate the area. They were not on 23rd but down Northrup a few blocks. It was during the time of the protest too.
 
Hoopguru said:
It was last year, they may have left that immediate the area. They were not on 23rd but down Northrup a few blocks. It was during the time of the protest too.
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Our eye doctor is between 19th and 20th.
 
Wow, if you read this thread, you’d think we’d be tucked in between Detroit and Memphis.
 
THE HCP said:
Wow, if you read this thread, you’d think we’d be tucked in between Detroit and Memphis.
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Feels like it. I mean really, we get you are a proud Portlander. But acting like things aren’t bad is weird. Shootings are up higher than anywhere in the nation, that’s a fact. The tents, trash, never been like this. I’m not sure how this is debatable.
 
Road Ratt said:
Thousands in Oregon face eviction as lawmakers scramble.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/rea...n-as-lawmakers-scramble/ar-AARGyrF?li=BBnb7Kz
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Yikes. Spending so much time in Hawaii, I am not surprised, but for Oregon to be #4 is a bit surprising to me.

Oregon has a higher rate of people experiencing homelessness than nearly every other state in America. A 2020 federal review found that 35 people in Oregon are experiencing homelessness per 10,000. Only three states had a higher rate: New York City (47 people per 10,000), Hawaii (46 people per 10,000) and California (41 people per 10,000).

Now, an estimated 8,355 households are are at risk of eviction, as protections keeping them housed have expired after they waited for rental assistance for more than two months. More than 22,000 households are still waiting to be considered for help.
 
Portland is spending $117 million on the homeless in 2021. At $1650 (average apartment price in Portland) that's enough to house over 5900 people.

Studios are much less expensive, but I couldn't find decent numbers on the average price for just studios. But you could put multiple people in a multiple room apartment.

Estimates say Portland has about 3000 - 5000 homeless.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Portland is spending $117 million on the homeless in 2021. At $1650 (average apartment price in Portland) that's enough to house over 5900 people.

Studios are much less expensive, but I couldn't find decent numbers on the average price for just studios. But you could put multiple people in a multiple room apartment.

Estimates say Portland has about 3000 - 5000 homeless.
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It's enough the to get them there. Is it enough to keep them their until they are able to pay themselves?
 
Chris Craig said:
It's enough the to get them there. Is it enough to keep them their until they are able to pay themselves?
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Spending has been increasing every year. This is what Portland has budgeted. It's legitimately enough spending to house twice as many people. You can house people for far less than $20k per year.

Some estimates have Portland spending over $70k per year per homeless person right now, when including the police, emergency services, damage, sweeping crews, etc...

It's just notable that we could literally save millions by giving each of these people the same multi room apartment you or I would happily rent.

And yet we aren't solving it...
 
Phatguysrule said:
Spending has been increasing every year. This is what Portland has budgeted. It's legitimately enough spending to house twice as many people. You can house people for far less than $20k per year.

Some estimates have Portland spending over $70k per year per homeless person right now, when including the police, emergency services, damage, sweeping crews, etc...

It's just notable that we could literally save millions by giving each of these people the same multi room apartment you or I would happily rent.

And yet we aren't solving it...
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I still do not get this.

okay so we spend whatever to house them. They still have no job, no food, no clothes.

Many homeless have mental issues or drug problems. These problems will continue even with a roof over thier head, so much of the costs will still be the same plus the costs rentals for a roof.
To say the problem is solved( no im not saying your said this) by putting the homeless under a roof is dramatically oversimplifying the multifaceted aNd complex problem with the homeless.

So lets say we put the addicts in a rehab program:

Some inpatient rehabsmay cost around $6,000 for a 30-day program. Well-known centers often cost up to $20,000 for a 30-day program. For those requiring 60- or 90-day programs, the total average of costs could range anywhere from $12,000 to $60,000.

This cost is alot more than your numbers. And tbis is just for the rehab probram. Not the house, food, clothes, etc.

When an officer goes on a call and it involves a homeless drug addict person committing a crime, are all of hours spent added to “the spent on homeless”? Spent on “illegal drug addiction” or spent on the “crime commited?”

If all the time is allotted to “spent on the homeless”, then its skewed.



Soooo many x factors ive pointed out here and before that i do not belwive there is any way they can come up with an accurate nimber of what is spent on the homeless vs ahat we would save housing them.

and before you point to other places as a successful test, lets focus on here, where ww have more homeless than any other state, which makes it harder, a larger drug addiction problem, which makes it harder, etc.


just not seeing the numbers add up. At all.

its really easy to say “improve education Nd health cRw and we solve most problems”


Improving education and health care is not as easy as you continually try to portray, or we would have done it long long ago.
 
calvin natt said:
Feels like it. I mean really, we get you are a proud Portlander. But acting like things aren’t bad is weird. Shootings are up higher than anywhere in the nation, that’s a fact. The tents, trash, never been like this. I’m not sure how this is debatable.
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You’d have to find any post from me saying things aren’t bad. My whole thing was, if you don’t live here fuck off. Start a thread about your little town where you live in. Beaverton , Gresham, Oregon city wherever, my only posts in here I’ve been sharing with people are my experiences of my hometown. On a side note, my house’s value has gone up 30K the past 60 days.
 
THE HCP said:
You’d have to find any post from me saying things aren’t bad. My whole thing was, if you don’t live here fuck off. Start a thread about your little town where you live in. Beaverton , Gresham, Oregon city wherever, my only posts in here I’ve been sharing with people are my experiences of my hometown. On a side note, my house’s value has gone up 30K the past 60 days.
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What if we drive through PDX regularly, work downtown, etc? But don’t have a Portland address? Cant criticize the city still?
 
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