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THE HCP said:
You’d have to find any post from me saying things aren’t bad. My whole thing was, if you don’t live here fuck off. Start a thread about your little town where you live in. Beaverton , Gresham, Oregon city wherever, my only posts in here I’ve been sharing with people are my experiences of my hometown. On a side note, my house’s value has gone up 30K the past 60 days.
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30 in 60...wow I better check mine
 
calvin natt said:
What if we drive through PDX regularly, work downtown, etc? But don’t have a Portland address? Cant criticize the city still?
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Sure, as long as I have a place to criticize where you live. I actually am too busy with kids and a career to go on a daily voyage through the internets to find instances of crime and chaos in the utopia you call home, but I would feel better knowing I had a place to post said findings if I ever got that bored.
I’ve said before this reminds me of the thread about the border from 2 years ago, where those 2 skinheads on here would go out of their way daily to find crimes committed by anybody of Latin decent. Like a racist Craigslist of findings. They let that shit go for years on here.
This thread is pretty much people who don’t actually live in this town just constantly ripping it apart. As if we don’t know. Can’t wait one day when I can move to a town/city with no crime like you guys.
 
calvin natt said:
Feels like it. I mean really, we get you are a proud Portlander. But acting like things aren’t bad is weird. Shootings are up higher than anywhere in the nation, that’s a fact. The tents, trash, never been like this. I’m not sure how this is debatable.
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There's a 50+ square block section of Los Angeles that is tent/trash city....it's zombieland.....Portland just gets some of the spillage..it's happening all over the country....I believe Memphis has had the highest crime rate per captita for a long time now and South Side Chicago has always been in the mix along with Baltimore....it's just shocking to see it in Portland to all of us...for people in the east or huge urban ghettos it's been like that for ages...San Bernadino cops arrested 180 gang member, got their money, guns and drugs in one swoop from a gang that's operated there for decades.....that's what needs to happen...clean house. They found so many warrants outstanding in the arrest and 140 were on parole.....it's fixable if you have a good police department.
 
Another thing…..you who CONSTANTLY update this thread and keep it alive….do you travel? Have you seen this fucking country in the last 18 months? Honest question. This whole country is in the shitter. Swing by LA/Vegas/SF/Seattle/Boise/PHX/Houston/Dallas/New Orleans/Atlantic City/ NYC/Philly/ Charlotte/ Orlando/Miami/ Tampa/DC/Chicago/Memphis/Minny/Reno…… cities I’ve been recently and tell me Portland stands out. I don’t live there, that’s why I don’t start threads about em.
 
Hey strawman, it's called the PORTLAND metro area. Sorry I didn't go to high school there but it's still my city as well. I've lived in Portland, worked downtown for years, and currently reside just outside the city limits. When I talk to people from Atlanta, we don't bring up the suburb they live in. Why would we? Makes no sense.
 
THE HCP said:
Another thing…..you who CONSTANTLY update this thread and keep it alive….do you travel? Have you seen this fucking country in the last 18 months? Honest question. This whole country is in the shitter. Swing by LA/Vegas/SF/Seattle/Boise/PHX/Houston/Dallas/New Orleans/Atlantic City/ NYC/Philly/ Charlotte/ Orlando/Miami/ Tampa/DC/Chicago/Memphis/Minny/Reno…… cities I’ve been recently and tell me Portland stands out. I don’t live there, that’s why I don’t start threads about em.
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You’re acting like we all live in Miami and are posting about Portland that’s what’s strange. I assume most of the people here either live within 20 mins of Portland or used to live in Portland.
 
Is NW 23rd pretty safe? I hate going there because parking is ass. May do some last minute Christmas shopping there on the 24th.

How about Pearl? Like Powells and shit.

Downtown just seems unattractive overall, at least as an outsider looking in. Not even bothering with new restaurants or staying in a hotel, the reputation is stained. Gonna try to hit up Saylers. Benihana (fam meal, not my choice). Picking up some Salt Pepper squid from Thien Hong for Christmas eve dinner.


Some burgerville and some Du's if they are open.
 
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EL PRESIDENTE said:
Is NW 23rd pretty safe? I hate going there because parking is ass. May do some last minute Christmas shopping there on the 24th.

How about Pearl? Like Powells and shit.

Downtown just seems unattractive overall, at least as an outsider looking in. Not even bothering with new restaurants or staying in a hotel, the reputation is stained. Gonna try to hit up Saylers. Benihana (fam meal, not my choice). Some burgerville and some Du's if they are open
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Yes its safe lol. Just stay away from the camps.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Is NW 23rd pretty safe? I hate going there because parking is ass. May do some last minute Christmas shopping there on the 24th.

How about Pearl? Like Powells and shit.

Downtown just seems unattractive overall, at least as an outsider looking in. Not even bothering with new restaurants or staying in a hotel, the reputation is stained. Gonna try to hit up Saylers. Benihana (fam meal, not my choice). Picking up some Salt Pepper squid from Thien Hong for Christmas eve dinner.


Some burgerville and some Du's if they are open.
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I've never been in to Sayler's. But was in a fantasy football league one year with the...owner's son? I don't think he was the owner, maybe son of the owner. Anyways, he was a deadbeat owner, even though he was a good friend of a friend, so I never wanted to go in there.
 
RR7 said:
I've never been in to Sayler's. But was in a fantasy football league one year with the...owner's son? I don't think he was the owner, maybe son of the owner. Anyways, he was a deadbeat owner, even though he was a good friend of a friend, so I never wanted to go in there.
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Saylers is the bomb. Mushroom sauce.
 
HailBlazers said:
Hey strawman, it's called the PORTLAND metro area. Sorry I didn't go to high school there but it's still my city as well. I've lived in Portland, worked downtown for years, and currently reside just outside the city limits. When I talk to people from Atlanta, we don't bring up the suburb they live in. Why would we? Makes no sense.
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You talk about towns with people they don’t even live in? I’ve never done that. In all my years of traveling around the world, I’ve never had conversations with people about Vancouver or Tualatin. Also, you gotta let me
in on what the straw man term is. By the tone of your response, I don’t think that is a compliment.
 
THE HCP said:
You talk about towns with people they don’t even live in? I’ve never done that. In all my years of traveling around the world, I’ve never had conversations with people about Vancouver or Tualatin. Also, you gotta let me
in on what the straw man term is. By the tone of your response, I don’t think that is a compliment.
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What about if we have seen things with our own eyeballs but don’t live in Portland? Can we say it’s gotten shitty? Like if I drive through it but don’t live in the city limits does it not count?
 
THE HCP said:
You talk about towns with people they don’t even live in? I’ve never done that. In all my years of traveling around the world, I’ve never had conversations with people about Vancouver or Tualatin. Also, you gotta let me
in on what the straw man term is. By the tone of your response, I don’t think that is a compliment.
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You've never met someone in all of your travels that says "I live about 20 mins south of X city." I find that hard to believe.
It means you're focusing on the edges of the grass instead of the yard itself.
 
RR7 said:
I've never been in to Sayler's. But was in a fantasy football league one year with the...owner's son? I don't think he was the owner, maybe son of the owner. Anyways, he was a deadbeat owner, even though he was a good friend of a friend, so I never wanted to go in there.
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EL PRESIDENTE said:
Saylers is the bomb. Mushroom sauce.
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its a must!!. Five course meal for good prices. Their deep fried prawns are the best!
 
HailBlazers said:
You've never met someone in all of your travels that says "I live about 20 mins south of X city." I find that hard to believe.
It means you're focusing on the edges of the grass instead of the yard itself.
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When im dealing with customers its always “just outside of Portland”.
People know where that is.
If i say “Tualatin”, they are like… “wheres the hells that? You have a freeway near you???”
 
Orion Bailey said:
When im dealing with customers its always “just outside of Portland”.
People know where that is.
If i say “Tualatin”, they are like… “wheres the hells that? You have a freeway near you???”
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Riiight.
Fact that you let those underprivileged kids use your pool when you lived in east Portland makes you a Portlander in my book for life.
 
Orion Bailey said:
I still do not get this.

okay so we spend whatever to house them. They still have no job, no food, no clothes.

Many homeless have mental issues or drug problems. These problems will continue even with a roof over thier head, so much of the costs will still be the same plus the costs rentals for a roof.
To say the problem is solved( no im not saying your said this) by putting the homeless under a roof is dramatically oversimplifying the multifaceted aNd complex problem with the homeless.

So lets say we put the addicts in a rehab program:

Some inpatient rehabsmay cost around $6,000 for a 30-day program. Well-known centers often cost up to $20,000 for a 30-day program. For those requiring 60- or 90-day programs, the total average of costs could range anywhere from $12,000 to $60,000.

This cost is alot more than your numbers. And tbis is just for the rehab probram. Not the house, food, clothes, etc.

When an officer goes on a call and it involves a homeless drug addict person committing a crime, are all of hours spent added to “the spent on homeless”? Spent on “illegal drug addiction” or spent on the “crime commited?”

If all the time is allotted to “spent on the homeless”, then its skewed.



Soooo many x factors ive pointed out here and before that i do not belwive there is any way they can come up with an accurate nimber of what is spent on the homeless vs ahat we would save housing them.

and before you point to other places as a successful test, lets focus on here, where ww have more homeless than any other state, which makes it harder, a larger drug addiction problem, which makes it harder, etc.


just not seeing the numbers add up. At all.

its really easy to say “improve education Nd health cRw and we solve most problems”


Improving education and health care is not as easy as you continually try to portray, or we would have done it long long ago.
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Yes those costs are accounted for.

Getting them in homes makes treating them far cheaper and more effective.

Improving access to education is not all that difficult (not as difficult as it is made out to be). Just pay for it.

Improving access to healthcare is not all that difficult. Again, just pay for it.

We're already paying for the rehab and counseling. We just have to pay for it less frequently and fewer times for housed individuals (and maintaining public spaces is incredibly expensive). That's where a huge portion of the savings come from.

So, for example, if a housed person only needed the $6000 program once rather than paying for an unhoused person to complete the $60k inpatient program 3 times it would pay for rent for at least 9 years. Or pay rent for at least 9 people for at a year.

There are huge savings to be had. Even if it's only the $6k program once instead of a few times.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
What about people in Gresham that had Portland mailing addresses? If I showed my id, it used to say I was Portland because of my mailing address. Seems like I could rep PDX my man.
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Wouldn't the 287th Ave be a giveaway?
 
Phatguysrule said:
Yes those costs are accounted for.

Getting them in homes makes treating them far cheaper and more effective.

Improving access to education is not all that difficult (not as difficult as it is made out to be). Just pay for it.

Improving access to healthcare is not all that difficult. Again, just pay for it.

We're already paying for the rehab and counseling. We just have to pay for it less frequently and fewer times for housed individuals (and maintaining public spaces is incredibly expensive). That's where a huge portion of the savings come from.

So, for example, if a housed person only needed the $6000 program once rather than paying for an unhoused person to complete the $60k inpatient program 3 times it would pay for rent for at least 9 years. Or pay rent for at least 9 people for at a year.

There are huge savings to be had. Even if it's only the $6k program once instead of a few times.
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Just pay for it.
Okay.
 
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