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It's called faith. Something had to make all this. It couldn't just appear out of nowhere.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ Oct 22 2006, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What makes you think there's a god?</div>what makes you think there's not a god? you're oblivious if you thought a 'big bang' put this whole universe in order. if a 'big bang' gave you opposable thumbs. if a 'big bang' made every organism on this planet unique. if a 'big bang' made each person different, some with different skin colors, hair color, and even language.
 
Something had to create the big bang. It didn't just create itself. I believe that God is the one that created that.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Oct 22 2006, 01:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>what makes you think there's not a god? you're oblivious if you thought a 'big bang' put this whole universe in order. if a 'big bang' gave you opposable thumbs. if a 'big bang' made every organism on this planet unique. if a 'big bang' made each person different, some with different skin colors, hair color, and even language.</div>Who ever said the big bang gave us thumbs?Evolution did that, duh.What makes me think there's no god? Well,1. No proof he exists2. I don't believe in things I don't know exist3. The Bible makes no sense and is apparantly made by him.4. How did Earth become inhabitable?5. Again, if god is real, why does he let millions of people die every year far before they become old?6. Begging your pardon, dogma, but I can't find your opinion too valid when you've admitted to using drugs...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>3. The Bible makes no sense and is apparantly made by him.</div>Maybe god is a crazy man? I mean he did appear to one guy as a burning bush, he's told three differnt groups of people that they are the chosen one. for some reason he flooded the entire world and than repopulated it. he scrambled all the languages because people were getting along. he's given the world scabies, rabies, herpies, and Barbara Steisand. on top of that he periodically gets bored and kills huge numbers of people with a Tsunami, Volcano, Earthquake, Hurrican ect. I think I just proved that God is completly insaine, or that the peoples who have made all the religious text were the ones burning the bush.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Oct 22 2006, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Maybe god is a crazy man? I mean he did appear to one guy as a burning bush, he's told three different groups of people that they are the chosen ones. For some reason he flooded the entire world and then repopulated it. He scrambled all the languages because people were getting along. He's given the world scabies, rabies, herpes, and Barbara Streisand. On top of that he periodically gets bored and kills huge numbers of people with a Tsunami, Volcano, Earthquake, Hurricane ect. I think I just proved that God is completely insane, or that the people who have made all the religious texts were the ones burning the bush.</div>OK you had way too many errors, so I corrected as many as I saw. Some I didn't bold, like stuff I had to delete.Remember kids, PROPER GRAMMAR MAKES YOU LOOK SMART.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Oct 22 2006, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Maybe god is a crazy man? I mean he did appear to one guy as a burning bush, he's told three differnt groups of people that they are the chosen one. for some reason he flooded the entire world and than repopulated it. he scrambled all the languages because people were getting along. he's given the world scabies, rabies, herpies, and Barbara Steisand. on top of that he periodically gets bored and kills huge numbers of people with a Tsunami, Volcano, Earthquake, Hurrican ect. I think I just proved that God is completly insaine, or that the peoples who have made all the religious text were the ones burning the bush.</div>Don't forget when he sent down a bear to visciously rip apart a group of kids because they were making fun of his friend.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ Oct 22 2006, 04:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>6. Begging your pardon, dogma, but I can't find your opinion too valid when you've admitted to using drugs...</div>Yeah, you're a fu*kin douche for saying that...seriously on this forum, those who do smoke some how tend to be our smartest members. nba_domatist - one of the smartest postersBigMoRokPrimetimeThere are many more, but it's a known fact that they are definelty more knowledgeable than you.
 
America is really pathetic...<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ReppinTheD @ Oct 22 2006, 03:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, you're a fu*kin douche for saying that...</div>And doesn't that warrant a suspension?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Oct 22 2006, 03:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>you're oblivious if you thought a 'big bang' put this whole universe in order. if a 'big bang' gave you opposable thumbs. if a 'big bang' made every organism on this planet unique. if a 'big bang' made each person different, some with different skin colors, hair color, and even language.</div>That's not even the theory... so what does that have to do with anything?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>1. No proof he exists2. I don't believe in things I don't know exist3. The Bible makes no sense and is apparantly made by him.4. How did Earth become inhabitable?5. Again, if god is real, why does he let millions of people die every year far before they become old?6. Begging your pardon, dogma, but I can't find your opinion too valid when you've admitted to using drugs...</div>1. Theres no proof he doesn't exist.3. Did you ever read the Bible?5. If not, There would be no room on earth. People have to die to make room. If he kept everybody like until there old the world would be stacked with people.6. Dogma is smarter than you when he is High and drunk at the same time.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC @ Oct 22 2006, 07:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1. Theres no proof he doesn't exist.3. Did you ever read the Bible?5. If not, There would be no room on earth. People have to die to make room. If he kept everybody like until there old the world would be stacked with people.6. Dogma is smarter than you when he is High and drunk at the same time.</div>Although I agree with you, #5 is wrong, because I read something that there is room on earth for every person who's ever lived to habitate on Earth, it's just that we made cities and stuff, if we spread it out we'd find that there is really a lot of room on earth
 
I believe that there has to be somebody that made the "big bang", IMO, I think that God works through science which IS logical. If he said thousands of years ago he worked through science, people wouldnt know what the hell he was talking about. People die just for the reason Tony said, people just have a certain path and that certain path might be dying at a younger age. Cause, one person dying might affect another person and change that person. Its all a big plan, you have choices of which direction you want to, but its a plan. Yall are also taking the Bible to literal, Goliath probably wasnt as big as some people think, he was probably 7-8ft, and people exagerate and make him seem 15ft+. Thats why before you make a decision of becoming atheist, you should do research of the Bible, and outside of the Bible, because I admit the Bible can kindve leave you confused. But many times when you read something from these books, they arent literal.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLIC)</div><div class='quotemain'>5. If not, There would be no room on earth. People have to die to make room. If he kept everybody like until there old the world would be stacked with people.</div><span style="font-family:Book Antiqua">Well, the population has grown quite significantly since the 1950s.. Remember that, Mr. BALLAHOLIC. In other words, God doesn't exist.. He wouldn't kill people for any random reason, would He?</span>
 
No he wouldnt, people all die for a reason, some we know and most we dont, its part of Gods way. He cant reveal it all to us.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz76 @ Oct 22 2006, 10:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No he wouldnt, people all die for a reason, some we know and most we dont, its part of Gods way. He cant reveal it all to us.</div><span style="font-family:Book Antiqua">Still strange, though. I personally have no problem with people's opinions, but all this God talk is awkward. I actually debated whether God is real or not with a friend of mine. His points were as follows:1) How do we exist if God doesn't exist?2) Why does most of the planet believe in God then?3) Can basically everyone on earth be wrong?My answers were:1) Have you ever heard of the Big Bang? May be a stupid theory, but it's better than the God "beliefs".2) Because they're idiots who get tricked easily.3) Remember Y2K?</span>
 
Well I believe that everything God does arent just magic, I think its science, I think that HE was the reason for the big bang.Where did religion come from? Just some random stuff some ancient man came up with? No, there is a supreme being out there that created us, or triggered whatever created us.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz76 @ Oct 22 2006, 11:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Where did religion come from? Just some random stuff some ancient man came up with?</div><span style="font-family:Book Antiqua">Religion did come from some random man who decided to keep everyone in check by making up BS. Think about it:Why would God create so many religions and tell three different men that they are his Prophets for three different religions? Hmm...?Also, people at old times were very easy to trick. Even in the United States during the late 1800s, people were falling for such bullsh** as witchcraft.. (Check out Salem Witch Trials). People were easy to trick.Even in today's time, people are easy to trick. If you go back to the year 1999, people were claiming that 2000 would be the end of the world... Didn't happen, now did it?If you look back over the summer to June 6, 2006 (6/6/6), people claimed that the Devil would come to earth and wreck havoc. Didn't happen, now did it?So, basically, I think everyone on this planet is stupid; depends on whether or not you believe in God, though... Whatever.</span>
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Illosophee @ Oct 22 2006, 11:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-family:Book Antiqua">Religion did come from some random man who decided to keep everyone in check by making up BS. Think about it:Why would God create so many religions and tell three different men that they are his Prophets for three different religions? Hmm...?Also, people at old times were very easy to trick. Even in the United States during the late 1800s, people were falling for such bullsh** as witchcraft.. (Check out Salem Witch Trials). People were easy to trick.Even in today's time, people are easy to trick. If you go back to the year 1999, people were claiming that 2000 would be the end of the world... Didn't happen, now did it?If you look back over the summer to June 6, 2006 (6/6/6), people claimed that the Devil would come to earth and wreck havoc. Didn't happen, now did it?So, basically, I think everyone on this planet is stupid; depends on whether or not you believe in God, though... Whatever.</span></div>God didnt "create" a religion. Man did, God gave us the guidelines on what to follow and different people translated it into different meaings which came to different religions. Of course there are religions that just came outve nowhere. And you said that "a man" created all this stuff, but how is it that every single group of the world has somewhat a religion even though they are thousands of miles apart from each other? People in '99 thought it was end of the world cause of COMPUTERS, they thought all technology of the world would be shut down, and then SOME people said thats when armagedon will begin. Only teenagers and superficial people believed in the 6/6/06 thing. And the reason people believed in the witchcraft crap is cause those woman we blamed by twisted preists and corrupted churches.
 
Well obviously most Americans believe in God. They're stupid. They vote Jorge Bush and ruin our country, then re-elect him. They worship idiot celebrities who probably have IQ's lower than my left buttock. They only act impulsively. Of course they'll believe in somebody that can save them and "keep them alive" or whatever in the "afterlife". Once you're dead, you're dead. You rot in the ground.
 
[quote name='austingriz76' post='182209' date='Oct 22 2006, 11:27 PM']God didnt "create" a religion. Man did,[/quote]<span style="font-family:Book Antiqua">Exactly! A man did.</span>[quote name='austingriz76' post='182209' date='Oct 22 2006, 11:27 PM']God gave us the guidelines on what to follow and different people translated it into different meaings which came to different religions. Of course there are religions that just came outve nowhere. And you said that "a man" created all this stuff, but how is it that every single group of the world has somewhat a religion even though they are thousands of miles apart from each other?[/quote]<span style="font-family:Book Antiqua">Why did people believe in more than one god (monotheism), such as Greeks and Romans who believed in Zeus and all that other B.S? In other words, people believe in anything and everything. Also, why did God help people create so many different religions? Christianity came from one of God's prophets, Jesus, while Islam came 500 years later from another one of God's prophets, Muhammad. All religions are B.S</span>[quote name='austingriz76' post='182209' date='Oct 22 2006, 11:27 PM']People in '99 thought it was end of the world cause of COMPUTERS, they thought all technology of the world would be shut down, and then SOME people said thats when armagedon will begin.[/quote]<span style="font-family:Book Antiqua">Umm... Some people won't even admit that humans made COMPUTERS. They claim it was God's idea.Anyway, if God knows everything that will happen, what was the point of Him creating us?</span>[quote name='austingriz76' post='182209' date='Oct 22 2006, 11:27 PM'] Only teenagers and superficial people believed in the 6/6/06 thing. And the reason people believed in the witchcraft crap is cause those woman we blamed by twisted preists and corrupted churches.[/quote]<span style="font-family:Book Antiqua">Yet, those priests were still God's followers. Why didn't God help the women? Oh, that's right.. He doesn't exist!</span> :shok:
 
The biggest problem I have with religion, especially the near east monotheistic religions(jews, Christians, Muslims) is that very few of their religious text were written during the times in which the events they talk about took place. The Muslims admit that the Quran, and the other book about Muhammed, the name slips my mind right now, but both were written about 50 years after his death. the same thing goes for Christians, most of the new testiment was written well after Jesus's death. then the council of Nicea decides which books should be in the bible, completly excluding many gospels that were written more closly to the time of Jesus. The texts of Judiasm were also written centuries after the fact. They all claim that these text were taken from oral scriptures, but as we all know anything passed on orally can and will change as it goes from one person to another. There is a reason why the courts don't allow hear-say testimony in court, because it is unreliable.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Illosophee @ Oct 23 2006, 08:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-family:Book Antiqua">Exactly! A man did.</span><span style="font-family:Book Antiqua">Why did people believe in more than one god (monotheism), such as Greeks and Romans who believed in Zeus and all that other B.S? In other words, people believe in anything and everything. Also, why did God help people create so many different religions? Christianity came from one of God's prophets, Jesus, while Islam came 500 years later from another one of God's prophets, Muhammad. All religions are B.S</span><span style="font-family:Book Antiqua">Umm... Some people won't even admit that humans made COMPUTERS. They claim it was God's idea.Anyway, if God knows everything that will happen, what was the point of Him creating us?</span><span style="font-family:Book Antiqua">Yet, those priests were still God's followers. Why didn't God help the women? Oh, that's right.. He doesn't exist!</span> :shok:</div>Man divided their translations of God word into different superficial things called"religion".God only gave us the moral standards and guidelines for the law of all man. The romans and greeks were POLOTHEISTIC, and they lost faith and ended up creating a different and bogus religion. If you knew anything about the monotheistic religions, you would know that muslims believe that there was a Jesus, but he was just a prophet and nothing more. Christians believe he was the messiah and they dont believe in Muhammed. But anybody who truly studies religion will tell you that we are all worshipping the same God, he might have a different name or we might have translated his words differently, but he is the same God. And the people who believe God made computers are idiots...actaully I have never heard of that before.And he didnt create us for his own pleasure(which it seems you think is why), he created us to give us the privilage of life and have a opputunity of life.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>And he didnt create us for his own pleasure</div>If God did create humanity, then we are basically his toys. also, not all Greeks and Romans were Polytheistic. some Greeks were monotheistic, and the Romans adopted Christianity as the official state religion in the fouth century AD, and they too had some monotheistic citizens. though both were mainly polytheistic in public, most the the powerful people were atheist. a good book about Roman relgion was written in 79BC by Cassius Nubus(?) if you want more info on the Roman POV in religion.also, since no one has mentioned it. Raelianism is the true religion. Aliens created humans in a bad genetic experiment. :doh:
 
no, we are not his toys cause we get to make our own choices, but he knows what choices we are going to make.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Oct 23 2006, 03:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The biggest problem I have with religion, especially the near east monotheistic religions(jews, Christians, Muslims) is that very few of their religious text were written during the times in which the events they talk about took place. The Muslims admit that the Quran, and the other book about Muhammed, the name slips my mind right now, but both were written about 50 years after his death.</div>About the Muslim thing, that is totally false.First, there is only ONE book for the Muslims - that is the Qur'an. Second, the Qur'an was memorized by Prophet Mohammed himself, and was memorized by his Sahaba (A little like Jesus' disciples) - The Sahaba completed copying the Qur'an a little after the Prophet died, but most of it was completed before he passed away. I don't know where you heard that stuff...but it's totally wrong. (I am Muslim)
 
There is one official book for Islam, but, the Hadith, or the practices of the prophet Muhammad (PBUH) play a strong role in Islam as well. Considering, if god came to a man who practiced such a life, it may also bless the lives of those who also live that way.The Qur'an was not memorized by Muhammad (PBUH) himself, rather his followers, right after his death, there was a strong movement towards centralizing all of his words, which had been memorized by thousands of people word for word. Thus they began to make sure they got the words exactly right by comparing the words of each other, once they found out that there was little to none variation the Qur'an was completed in physical means, however was technically completed before the death of Muhammad (PBUH).
 
there is some book written about Muhammed, its like a book of manners. and you said exactly what I was talking about, it was written after his death, and he told someone the story. it doesn't matter if they memorized it or not, they are still humans and humans make errors. Im not sure about this part, but I think Muhammed lived for 50 years after his first vision. 50 years is a long time to remember something.Sira, thats the book I was thinking of.
 
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