Whispers again

[Mediocre Man]

It appears this glazed duck guy views the draft EXACTLY how I do, and since he writes so much more better than me, he will be speaking on my behalf until further notice.

 

[Mediocre Man]

The full bolded text tweaks me.
You might as well have put it in all caps.
Because of that, I won't be reading anything you put past the first sentence.
Feel free to adjust your post if you'd like to continue to have a conversation. But without that, I personally won't be responding to anything wrote in this comment.

That's too bad because it is the truth

 

[Mediocre Man]

very good points all around....but from everything I've read in this draft the difference isn't that great between the top 20 picks unless you've got number 1 this year...also I trust Olshey's eye for draft talent. I could also see us drafting for another team in a trade as well. I just don't see Olshey getting guys over 24 years of age at this point to build a contender.....as someone mentioned....the bold font is not easy on the eyes for long posts....

Why do you trust Olshey's eye?

You can't count Dame because the previous regime was locked in on him, and so was Paul Allen.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I enjoyed clicking on this! I believe the whispers to be true, but I don't care if they are or not, just tell me lies sweet little lies.

Lindsey Buckingham fan?

 

[Orion Bailey]

MM thanks either way. Either for the blowhard falsities that have spawned much good read. Or thanks for the depth of insider knowledge you just opened us up to. Either way, I agree with the bulk of it, so the organization is doing alright by me as long as you arent blowing sunshine up our arses!

 

[Mediocre Man]

MM thanks either way. Either for the blowhard falsities that have spawned much good read. Or thanks for the depth of insider knowledge you just opened us up to. Either way, I agree with the bulk of it, so the organization is doing alright by me as long as you arent blowing sunshine up our arses!

Never doubt pizza guy

 

[glazeduck]

It appears this glazed duck guy views the draft EXACTLY how I do, and since he writes so much more better than me, he will be speaking on my behalf until further notice.

HA! Thanks MM, happy to speak for you anytime.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Some incredibly great points, but the win goes to...
@glazeduck
The key is, we are only a few games out of a decent lottery pick. If it were more and we were on the heels of a top 8 spot, then you play on a sore foot to try to do something. But given the current situation, unless we go on a solid winning streak right out of the gate, I see several options in this draft.
Optimal possible scenario?
We maintain a "Do everything you can to win" while not risking further injury to players(sitting Dame) and still losing so we end up in the top 10. That means we will have for arguments sake, an 8/22/29 pick
Who says we cant take our 8/22 and Harkless and trade it for a top 2-5 to land a guy like Josh Jackson to be our future SF?
Then who says we cant trade ezeli/29pick/Vonleh/Aminu/Leonard to try to get into the top 12-15 to get a second solid prospect at PF position like Rabb or Leaf.

Obviously those are off the cusp trade thoughts, but if we have a top ten pick ourselves its feasable to trade to draft up to nail Jackson or Tattum I think.

 

[H.C.]

That's too bad because it is the truth

Just like the majority believe on the internet full caps is yelling, and "emphasizes" what you want to get across.
So is it true that typing in bold emphasizes something you wanted to get across.
While all bold might not be considered "yelling" like all caps or changing the text to red.
It holds the same meaning.
Especially when I've never seen the specific poster do it before or sense.

I however decided to wait until he changed it, if he doesn't not my problem.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Just like the majority believe on the internet full caps is yelling, and "emphasizes" what you want to get across.
So is it true that typing in bold emphasizes something you wanted to get across.
While all bold might not be considered "yelling" like all caps or changing the text to red.
It holds the same meaning.
Especially when I've never seen the specific poster do it before or sense.

I however decided to wait until he changed it, if he doesn't not my problem.

Thought I understand the common sense thought of Caps regarding yelling, in that instance I found it easier to read. Easier to differentiate between the quotes and what he was saying.

I do however find it ironic that you chose to tell someone to grow up all the while stating you refuse to read anything someone says until they stop yelling. Just sayin.

 

[dviss1]

Git er done, Neil.

I'm left wondering why we need this guy. I mean, he looks good but doesn't Nurkić do the same thing? Shouldn't we be looking for a Defensive stretch PF?

 

[Trackjack]

Zizic gives us good backup for Nurk. This way we still can play the same with eather player without a big drop off.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I'm left wondering why we need this guy. I mean, he looks good but doesn't Nurkić do the same thing? Shouldn't we be looking for a Defensive stretch PF?

Rabb and Jackson in the draft or bust

 

[H.C.]

Thought I understand the common sense thought of Caps regarding yelling, in that instance I found it easier to read. Easier to differentiate between the quotes and what he was saying.

I do however find it ironic that you chose to tell someone to grow up all the while stating you refuse to read anything someone says until they stop yelling. Just sayin.

There is a bubble around the quoted text OB. It's not hard to differentiate between quotes and what a new post is saying.
I decided to tell the people telling me "it's the truth" to grow up.
Not specifically the poster who felt the need to question my reading comprehension.
Gave that poster a chance to fix it, and have an adult discussion. If he chooses not to, not my problem.

Never mind the fact that it hurts my eyes to attempt to read a wall of text in all bold, caps, all red, or without some punctuation... I won't be spoken down to especially when I'm being nice.
You can disagree with me, I have no problem with that... But don't talk down to me if I don't deserve it, then expect me to even read it.
Before you joined s2, KS got blocked because of that. He's been unblocked for awhile now, however there are a couple well known members I've blocked due to their apparent desire to feel superior.
It's an online forum, not meant to be took serious.
I wouldn't visit s2 if I was forced to give adults passes for being rude af... Like I'm forced to irl.

Spoiler

 

[Scalma]

There is a bubble around the quoted text OB. It's not hard to differentiate between quotes and what a new post is saying.
I decided to tell the people telling me "it's the truth" to grow up.
Not specifically the poster who felt the need to question my reading comprehension.
Gave that poster a chance to fix it, and have an adult discussion. If he chooses not to, not my problem.

Never mind the fact that it hurts my eyes to attempt to read a wall of text in all bold, caps, all red, or without some punctuation... I won't be spoken down to especially when I'm being nice.
You can disagree with me, I have no problem with that... But don't talk down to me if I don't deserve it, then expect me to even read it.
Before you joined s2, KS got blocked because of that. He's been unblocked for awhile now, however there are a couple well known members I've blocked due to their apparent desire to feel superior.
It's an online forum, not meant to be took serious.
I wouldn't visit s2 if I was forced to give adults passes for being rude af... Like I'm forced to irl.

Spoiler

You're taking it pretty serious for it not being serious.

 

[H.C.]

You're taking it pretty serious for it not being serious.

If by your definition of serious means generally ignoring people who feel the need to feel superior then sure.
By my definition those people are generally not worth a second thought, because they won't ever change. Therefore not serious.

 

[Orion Bailey]

There is a bubble around the quoted text OB. It's not hard to differentiate between quotes and what a new post is saying.
I decided to tell the people telling me "it's the truth" to grow up.
Not specifically the poster who felt the need to question my reading comprehension.
Gave that poster a chance to fix it, and have an adult discussion. If he chooses not to, not my problem.

Never mind the fact that it hurts my eyes to attempt to read a wall of text in all bold, caps, all red, or without some punctuation... I won't be spoken down to especially when I'm being nice.
You can disagree with me, I have no problem with that... But don't talk down to me if I don't deserve it, then expect me to even read it.
Before you joined s2, KS got blocked because of that. He's been unblocked for awhile now, however there are a couple well known members I've blocked due to their apparent desire to feel superior.
It's an online forum, not meant to be took serious.
I wouldn't visit s2 if I was forced to give adults passes for being rude af... Like I'm forced to irl.

Spoiler

Fair enough. I just thought you were blowing it a bit out of proportion.

If by your definition of serious means generally ignoring people who feel the need to feel superior then sure.
By my definition those people are generally not worth a second thought, because they won't ever change. Therefore not serious.

If you and him have a history then that is another story of which I'm honestly not interested in.
I'm just saying on this circumstance, it didn't seem that big of a deal to me, but that is without knowledge of any history. That's all.

 

[jlprk]

Copy to a word processor. Then size it down.

 

[BonesJones]

And Butler was taken with the LAST pick in the 1st round. Nobody tanked to get him, and that's my point.

Okay? Wesley Matthews went undrafted and Isaiah Thomas was taken as the last pick of the draft. Should we just trade away our 1sts because I'd that?

A top 10 pick is a lot more likely to be successful, but the thing is, we already have two picks late in the first to take a gem like that, if one is there.

We may even have a top 10 pick without tanking, and even with tanking, we won't have a top 3 pick. And there will be some players taken 11-15 that will be better than some of the players taken between 4 and 10. So, what's the point of losing on purpose? It breeds bad habits, kills player morale and creates an atmosphere where losing isn't just accepted, it's expected and even encouraged.

Unless you have a top 3 pick, AND there are players of Duncan or LeBron quality available, you're really relying on the quality of your scouting and talent evaluation and dependent on the people picking above you making bad choices. There are almost never any sure things outside of the top 3 picks, and in most years, even those are a crap shoot.

BNM

I've never disagreed with anything more than this. I guess the draft isn't your strong suit?

Right now we have a 4% chance at the Top 3.
However, were only 2 games out of being 5th and having a 29% chance at the top 3. I'd take nearly 1/3 odds for the top 3.

5 is way better than 10 for the following reasons:
1.) It's a lot easier to trade it up into the top 3.
2.) We could trade it down to 10 and get extra value.
3.) The players are better and have a lot bigger chance for success. (Ex. In 2012 youve would've had a choice of Lillard, Barnes, and Drummond at 5. At 10 the choices become Rivers, Leonard, Henson, etc.)

You're saying that because a player picked at 5 isn't a sure thing, there's no point to get a pick at 5 compared to 10.

However, if you pay any attention to the draft and prospects available, you can tell that there's a big difference between players available at 5 than 10.

There's a chance Josh Jackson would still be available at 5. That dude would solve so many of our problems, for less than $5M a year. He's a future two-way star.

Question is, who do you want at 10?

 

[BonesJones]

I've watched a bit of college ball because my client watches every college game so it's on at work....for you guys in the know...who's the next Karl Malone power forward in this draft?

There isn't one. If you're looking for the next Ryan Anderson I can give you three white stretch-4s right off the top of my head.

 

[Orion Bailey]

There isn't one. If you're looking for the next Ryan Anderson I can give you three white stretch-4s right off the top of my head.

Yeah this draft consists of Andersons/ Lowries/ and Batums, There are no solid interior bigs in this draft. The best you wil find is this guy and he would be nice, but we have Vonleh...

http://www.draftexpress.com/video/12537/

 

[jlprk]

I'm left wondering why we need this guy. I mean, he looks good but doesn't Nurkić do the same thing? Shouldn't we be looking for a Defensive stretch PF?

We could stash Žižić until we trade him.

 

[Pinwheel1]

However, if you pay any attention to the draft and prospects available, you can tell that there's a big difference between players available at 5 than 10.

There's a chance Josh Jackson would still be available at 5. That dude would solve so many of our problems, for less than $5M a year. He's a future two-way star.

Question is, who do you want at 10?

Didn't we say that about another Kansas star when Mclemore was drafted? Kansas has had some studs, and some duds. I am always a little leery of their players. But I will take your word for it. Here are two takes on the draft from CBS sports:

2. Josh Jackson, Kansas: The defense, rebounding and motor were already elite. Now the shot is coming, and everyone needs to take cover. Jackson’s versatile game translates perfectly to the NBA.

10. Frank Ntilikina, France: More than a lottery ticket, if less than a sure thing in this particular draft. If he gets put into the right situation and continues to develop, Ntilikina could be a franchise-changing player.

20. T.J. Leaf, UCLA: A 6-10 stretch-four who can sink the three, but doesn’t live by it — nearly 80 percent of his shots come inside the arc, and he shoots 66.4 percent from two.

All three of these guys IMO have a long ways to improve. I admit, being a pac 12 fan, so I have seen TJ the most, but I still say in 3 years he will be a stud. He already has the skills he just needs more strength.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Didn't we say that about another Kansas star when Mclemore was drafted? Kansas has had some studs, and some duds. I am always a little leery of their players. But I will take your word for it. Here are two takes on the draft from CBS sports:

2. Josh Jackson, Kansas: The defense, rebounding and motor were already elite. Now the shot is coming, and everyone needs to take cover. Jackson’s versatile game translates perfectly to the NBA.

10. Frank Ntilikina, France: More than a lottery ticket, if less than a sure thing in this particular draft. If he gets put into the right situation and continues to develop, Ntilikina could be a franchise-changing player.

20. T.J. Leaf, UCLA: A 6-10 stretch-four who can sink the three, but doesn’t live by it — nearly 80 percent of his shots come inside the arc, and he shoots 66.4 percent from two.

All three of these guys IMO have a long ways to improve. I admit, being a pac 12 fan, so I have seen TJ the most, but I still say in 3 years he will be a stud. He already has the skills he just needs more strength.

If we could package all of our picks to get Jackson... mmm mmm mmmm....

 

[BonesJones]

Didn't we say that about another Kansas star when Mclemore was drafted? Kansas has had some studs, and some duds. I am always a little leery of their players. But I will take your word for it. Here are two takes on the draft from CBS sports:

2. Josh Jackson, Kansas: The defense, rebounding and motor were already elite. Now the shot is coming, and everyone needs to take cover. Jackson’s versatile game translates perfectly to the NBA.

10. Frank Ntilikina, France: More than a lottery ticket, if less than a sure thing in this particular draft. If he gets put into the right situation and continues to develop, Ntilikina could be a franchise-changing player.

20. T.J. Leaf, UCLA: A 6-10 stretch-four who can sink the three, but doesn’t live by it — nearly 80 percent of his shots come inside the arc, and he shoots 66.4 percent from two.

All three of these guys IMO have a long ways to improve. I admit, being a pac 12 fan, so I have seen TJ the most, but I still say in 3 years he will be a stud. He already has the skills he just needs more strength.

Jackson and McLemore are completely different players. Jackson is a great defender, passer, and rebounder, so you can't compare him to McLemore, or even Wiggins.

 

[Scalma]

Jackson and McLemore are completely different players. Jackson is a great defender, passer, and rebounder, so you can't compare him to McLemore, or even Wiggins.

I don't think he was comparing their games, but rather where they come from.

 

[Hobbesarable]

If we could package all of our picks to get Jackson... mmm mmm mmmm....

I'm down with bringing quality defenders to Portland.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Don't know if this was posted already.

Whispers from David Aldridge:

Blazers Were Close To Jahlil Okafor Trade Before Dealing For Jusuf Nurkic
FEB 18, 2017 5:36 PM

Before the Portland Trail Blazers traded Mason Plumlee to the Denver Nuggets for Jusuf Nurkic and a first round pick, they were close to acquiring Jahlil Okafor from the Philadelphia 76ers.

Talks between the Blazers and 76ers were advanced enough for Philadelphia to pull Okafor from their lineup.

The Blazers broke off trade talks with Philadelphia after they decided instead to deal for Nurkic. Portland now has three first round picks.

DAVID ALDRIDGE/NBA.COM

 

[Drttimmy]

Don't know if this was posted already.

Whispers from David Aldridge:

Blazers Were Close To Jahlil Okafor Trade Before Dealing For Jusuf Nurkic
FEB 18, 2017 5:36 PM

Before the Portland Trail Blazers traded Mason Plumlee to the Denver Nuggets for Jusuf Nurkic and a first round pick, they were close to acquiring Jahlil Okafor from the Philadelphia 76ers.

Talks between the Blazers and 76ers were advanced enough for Philadelphia to pull Okafor from their lineup.

The Blazers broke off trade talks with Philadelphia after they decided instead to deal for Nurkic. Portland now has three first round picks.

DAVID ALDRIDGE/NBA.COM

For those in the know and familiar with all players, which is the better deal for Portland? Limit it to Okafor for Plumlee straight up vs what we actually got for him. Seems Olshey puts a lot of value on that Denver pick.

 

[BonesJones]

I don't think he was comparing their games, but rather where they come from.

He brought up McLemore and how he weary of Kansas players. Just saying that Jackson is unique and shouldn't be compared to his KU predecessors.