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[Wizard Mentor]

For those in the know and familiar with all players, which is the better deal for Portland? Limit it to Okafor for Plumlee straight up vs what we actually got for him. Seems Olshey puts a lot of value on that Denver pick.

Okafor has a reputation as a horrible defender, Nurkic doesn't. That, and the 1st rounder, were probably the difference.

 

[Trackjack]

Neil made the correct trade this time. I don't see another trade until this summer. I think he going to see how the teams does with Nurk has there center before he pulls the trigger again.

 

[Strenuus]

Neil made the correct trade this time. I don't see another trade until this summer. I think he going to see how the teams does with Nurk has there center before he pulls the trigger again.

We have 3 first round picks. We're not done.

 

[MickZagger]

I've watched a bit of college ball because my client watches every college game so it's on at work....for you guys in the know...who's the next Karl Malone power forward in this draft?

Who's the next once in a generation PF?

 

[Scalma]

Let's go through the roster and guess who's going to stay and who's on their way out.

Dame, CJ, Nurkic. Forget it.

Harkless- young, great contract. Probably a lot of teams interested, but I think he stays. Not untouchable however.

Aminu- Our most valuable/realistic trade asset right now. Attractive to anyone in the playoffs with his defensive versatility. Locked up on a great contract. Still only 26. I think he will be traded. Should fetch a protected first and/or a younger player (Oubre for example.)

Crabbe- His shooting would be hard to replace, but 18m for a backup is a luxury that Olshey probably wouldn't mind getting rid of. Good enough to start on numerous teams. I think eventually he'll get moved, but maybe not until the summer.

Davis- Under contract for one more season. Dirt cheap. Ideal role player, should be attractive to anyone really, especially a team in need of rebounding (Boston?) I think he goes.

Leonard- Would probably have to attach a pick to shed. Not a great idea to sell low. Best bet would be to hold onto him and hope, at the very least, he gets out of his shooting funk.

Ezeli- Stays unless needed to match salaries. Gone in the summer.

Turner- injured, but wasn't going anywhere anyway. Stays.

Vonleh, Layman- cheap, young, worth developing. They stay.

Connaughton, Quarterman- non guaranteed for next season. Could be throw ins in a trade. Connaughton goes. Quarterman stays.

Napier- don't care.

So pretty much Aminu and Davis are my bets to be moved this week. I think eventually we'll trade one or both of our lower first rounders as well, but maybe not until draft night. Watch for Olshey to add a fourth first round pick to his arsenal

 

[roroyo]

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Leonard- Would probably have to attach a pick to shed. Not a great idea to sell low. Best bet would be to hold onto him and hope, at the very least, he gets out of his shooting funk.

Maybe Nurk will teach him how to swear. That would be level up for him.

 

[BonesJones]

Let's go through the roster and guess who's going to stay and who's on their way out.

Dame, CJ, Nurkic. Forget it.

Harkless- young, great contract. Probably a lot of teams interested, but I think he stays. Not untouchable however.

Aminu- Our most valuable/realistic trade asset right now. Attractive to anyone in the playoffs with his defensive versatility. Locked up on a great contract. Still only 26. I think he will be traded. Should fetch a protected first and/or a younger player (Oubre for example.)

Crabbe- His shooting would be hard to replace, but 18m for a backup is a luxury that Olshey probably wouldn't mind getting rid of. Good enough to start on numerous teams. I think eventually he'll get moved, but maybe not until the summer.

Davis- Under contract for one more season. Dirt cheap. Ideal role player, should be attractive to anyone really, especially a team in need of rebounding (Boston?) I think he goes.

Leonard- Would probably have to attach a pick to shed. Not a great idea to sell low. Best bet would be to hold onto him and hope, at the very least, he gets out of his shooting funk.

Ezeli- Stays unless needed to match salaries. Gone in the summer.

Turner- injured, but wasn't going anywhere anyway. Stays.

Vonleh, Layman- cheap, young, worth developing. They stay.

Connaughton, Quarterman- non guaranteed for next season. Could be throw ins in a trade. Connaughton goes. Quarterman stays.

Napier- don't care.

So pretty much Aminu and Davis are my bets to be moved this week. I think eventually we'll trade one or both of our lower first rounders as well, but maybe not until draft night. Watch for Olshey to add a fourth first round pick to his arsenal

Of you can trade Miles Plumlee without a pick, you can trade Meyers Leonard without a pick.

 

[Scalma]

I could see Toronto interested in Aminu. Gives them someone to throw at Lebron. I know he's unguardable, but Aminu stands a much better chance than anyone else on their roster. He has that Nigerian connection with Ujiri as well. Maybe something like their first round pick, sullinger, and Caboclo/Wright? Similar to the Nurkic deal, we save money, collect another first, and get a younger player.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Neil made the correct trade this time. I don't see another trade until this summer. I think he going to see how the teams does with Nurk has there center before he pulls the trigger again.

I hope we don't keep all 3 picks. It's a strong draft and it's mostly guards in this draft.

 

[jlprk]

I could see Toronto interested in Aminu. Gives them someone to throw at Lebron. I know he's unguardable, but Aminu stands a much better chance than anyone else on their roster. He has that Nigerian connection with Ujiri as well. Maybe something like their first round pick, sullinger, and Caboclo/Wright? Similar to the Nurkic deal, we save money, collect another first, and get a younger player.

You guys overvalue our forwards and centers. They were substitutes until we got them, and will be after they leave. Other teams know this.

 

[riverman]

You guys overvalue our forwards and centers. They were substitutes until we got them, and will be after they leave. Other teams know this.

I don't think Orlando, Chicago or the Knicks have a clue....they love starting subs

 

[Scalma]

You guys overvalue our forwards and centers. They were substitutes until we got them, and will be after they leave. Other teams know this.

Like Plumlee, who cost us a fist round pick, and then eventually got us one?

 

[riverman]

Like Plumlee, who cost us a fist round pick, and then eventually got us one?

Plumlee will become the next Steve Blake....we'll sign him every couple years and keep trading him for picks and players until he ends up playing in Australia...if he sucks it up for the rest of the season, we might get him cheap this summer if Denver lets him walk! (please....no serious responses to this attempt at humor!)

 

[jlprk]

I don't think Orlando, Chicago or the Knicks have a clue....they love starting subs

Like Plumlee, who cost us a fist round pick, and then eventually got us one?

Orlando has no former Blazer starting. New York traded Robin Lopez because they had a better center to start. Chicago is starting Lopez but is trying to trade him. Plumlee is projected to back up Jokic, but Denver has about 5 big men injured so they started him for one game.

Besides, now, we're talking about our other forwards and centers, not Lopez and Plumlee.

 

[Blazinaway]

Like Plumlee, who cost us a fist round pick, and then eventually got us one?

To be fair Plumlee was not "over valued" by most here, he is and was a productive player who started,. The rest of our bigs have really sucked this yr and I am specifically talking about Meyers, and Ed Davis/Vonleh to a degree. IMO Meyers has negative value, Davis/Vonleh maybe have a little value but not much. I think Aminu even with his sub par yr vs last still has decent value because of his contract, defense and versatility, Harkless probably has the most value of this group IMO.

 

[riverman]

Orlando has no former Blazer starting. New York traded Robin Lopez because they had a better center to start. Chicago is starting Lopez but is trying to trade him. Plumlee is projected to back up Jokic, but Denver has about 5 big men injured so they started him for one game.

Besides, now, we're talking about our other forwards and centers, not Lopez and Plumlee.

Afflalo started for the Knicks...now starts for the Kings...we have teams that do fall for our players...Luke Babbitt in Miami..Tim Frazier in NO..Channing Frye in Cleveland...Wes Mathews in Dallas, Nic in Charlotte...Lamarcus in Texas.....we make teams great again!!! Earl Watson is even coaching! Ronnie Price started last year...Will Barton starts once in a while..Trob comes off the bench...we are the greenhouse of the league! Gerald Henderson and Sergio in Philly...we've even stashed jewels in Russia and Europe like Freeland, Diez,Rudy, Claver....!

 

[Sinobas]

Okafor is a crap rebounder...not something you want in a PF/C. Nurk is a good rebounder and has shown some ability to be a good shot blocker and passer. I think Okafor is a more talented post player, but Nurk is bigger and didn't look like a slouch in that area either.

I've also heard that Okafor has attitude issues, so the tilt goes to Nurk. I think it's better space wise, to have your c be the low post guy.

 

[TBpup]

Plumlee will become the next Steve Blake....we'll sign him every couple years and keep trading him for picks and players until he ends up playing in Australia...if he sucks it up for the rest of the season, we might get him cheap this summer if Denver lets him walk! (please....no serious responses to this attempt at humor!)

Mike Barrett says Steve Blake is >>>>>> greater than Mason Plumlee.

 

[riverman]

Mike Barrett says Steve Blake is >>>>>> greater than Mason Plumlee.

But I'm so much greater than Mike Barrett!

 

[Blazinaway]

Okafor is a crap rebounder...not something you want in a PF/C. Nurk is a good rebounder and has shown some ability to be a good shot blocker and passer. I think Okafor is a more talented post player, but Nurk is bigger and didn't look like a slouch in that area either.

I've also heard that Okafor has attitude issues, so the tilt goes to Nurk. I think it's better space wise, to have your c be the low post guy.

For me I'd rather have Nurk even without the first, the first made it a total no brainer.

 

[Trackjack]

I hope we don't keep all 3 picks. It's a strong draft and it's mostly guards in this draft.

I believe he might take those 2 late draft pick and trade up or get some over sea player and keep him there. I believe if he trade with another team somebody with a big contract must go if it Crabbe turner or Myles and even Harkless. That can bring him back to try to get under the LT.

 

[BigGameDamian]

I believe he might take those 2 late draft pick and trade up or get some over sea player and keep him there. I believe if he trade with another team somebody with a big contract must go if it Crabbe turner or Myles and even Harkless. That can bring him back to try to get under the LT.

That's totally the opposite from what I want to hear. Screams developing young and starting from the bottom again. I can't see Paul being thrilled to go in that direction.

 

[Trackjack]

That's totally the opposite from what I want to hear. Screams developing young and starting from the bottom again. I can't see Paul being thrilled to go in that direction.

I know Paul wouldn't care about keeping his players but he is going to pay shit loaded money keeping a team that barely or not get in playoffs to me Paul really don't want that at all. So I guess we will wait see what Neil will do.

 

[Schilly]

That's totally the opposite from what I want to hear. Screams developing young and starting from the bottom again. I can't see Paul being thrilled to go in that direction.

When are you going to figure out that trading our young players for the type of veterans we could actually get would condemn us to mediocrity without assets left to build and get better. We have to buy low and sell high which equates to adding young unproven players. There are times to make moves for veterans but now isn't that time.

 

[julius]

When are you going to figure out that trading our young players for the type of veterans we could actually get would condemn us to mediocrity without assets left to build and get better. We have to buy low and sell high which equates to adding young unproven players. There are times to make moves for veterans but now isn't that time.

You're expecting an answer??

 

[Natebishop3]

We are in a weird window right now, because Dame and CJ aren't really kids anymore. They're just entering their prime. So we need players that can help win now. Adding young guys doesn't really fit in that window. This is a big reason why I think eventually one of either Dame or CJ will have to go.

 

[Jade Falcon]

We are in a weird window right now, because Dame and CJ aren't really kids anymore. They're just entering their prime. So we need players that can help win now. Adding young guys doesn't really fit in that window. This is a big reason why I think eventually one of either Dame or CJ will have to go.

I respectfully disagree. There's still time to build around them, and I'd like to see both of them stay here. Once they hit 30, then we should begin to worry.

 

[BonesJones]

Next year, teams can have 17 players under contract if 2 of them are in the G-League (formerly D-League). So for everyone saying we won't keep 3 picks, I wouldn't be so sure.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Like Plumlee, who cost us a fist round pick, and then eventually got us one?

Plumlee got us TWO first round picks: the 16th pick in the 2014 draft and a pick that will be in the 17-22 range in the 2017 draft. Both of those picks will be higher than the 23rd pick we gave up in the 2015 draft and both of those drafts are much deeper. So, we got two better picks in two better drafts.

Ignoring Connaughton and Blake (two mid-2nd rounders, one who is still in the league one who isn't), we traded Rondae Hollis-Jefferson for Jusuf Nurkic and a 17-22 pick in this year's very deep draft. I'd have to say we came out ahead on this one.

BNM

 

[julius]

Next year, teams can have 17 players under contract if 2 of them are in the G-League (formerly D-League). So for everyone saying we won't keep 3 picks, I wouldn't be so sure.

Is that true?? It's about time the league did that. Re-sign Luis!!