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BonesJones said:
Next year, teams can have 17 players under contract if 2 of them are in the G-League (formerly D-League). So for everyone saying we won't keep 3 picks, I wouldn't be so sure.
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Yes, but if they are under contract, won't they count against the cap and more importantly the luxury tax? If so, those could end up being some pretty expensive G-Leaguers.

BNM
 
We can safely move below luxury tax by just trading one of Leonard, Crabbe and Harkless for someone cheaper or an expiring, no? IMO adding a pick to get rid of any of them would be incredibly bad business. Knowing how things usually pan out we'd probably then realize that a player who went with that pick is pretty awesome.

I want us to draft three players next Summer. Having three new young players would be exciting. I would not want to lose that picks for nothing or use them to dump contracts. We will be able to reduce salaries without any of that crap.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Yes, but if they are under contract, won't they count against the cap and more importantly the luxury tax? If so, those could end up being some pretty expensive G-Leaguers.

BNM
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Late first round picks make what, $1.5M a year? Those won't be the players who will hurt us with luxury tax.
 
BonesJones said:
Next year, teams can have 17 players under contract if 2 of them are in the G-League (formerly D-League). So for everyone saying we won't keep 3 picks, I wouldn't be so sure.
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In 2006 the blazers had 4 first round picks, and used them all, so who knows. At the time I was thinking who the hell Eurostashes an Englishman?

Aldridge
Roy
Sergio
Freeland
 
Boob-No-More said:
Plumlee got us TWO first round picks: the 16th pick in the 2014 draft and a pick that will be in the 17-22 range in the 2017 draft. Both of those picks will be higher than the 23rd pick we gave up in the 2015 draft and both of those drafts are much deeper. So, we got two better picks in two better drafts.

Ignoring Connaughton and Blake (two mid-2nd rounders, one who is still in the league one who isn't), we traded Rondae Hollis-Jefferson for Jusuf Nurkic and a 17-22 pick in this year's very deep draft. I'd have to say we came out ahead on this one.

BNM
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Plus Rondae Hollis-Jefferson has been setting the world on fire lol.

http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3064291/rondae-hollis-jefferson
 
Sarni said:
Late first round picks make what, $1.5M a year? Those won't be the players who will hurt us with luxury tax.
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It all adds up. Based on Neil's actions this season, it seems like his goal is to spend up to the luxury tax threshold without going over. And again, it's not just the $ penalties, once you get into repeater tax territory, you lose exemptions and it becomes hard to make trades. I doubt if Neil wants to tie his own hands for a couple G-League players. The picks give him more flexibility to make other moves. Thye can be included in deals to dump one, or more of the contracts that will, otherwise, have us in luxury tax hell.

BNM
 
GriLtCheeZ said:
In 2006 the blazers had 4 first round picks, and used them all, so who knows. At the time I was thinking who the hell Eurostashes an Englishman?

Aldridge
Roy
Sergio
Freeland
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4 first round picks, used them all and look where we are today! All we need is one more pick guys!
 
Natebishop3 said:
We are in a weird window right now, because Dame and CJ aren't really kids anymore. They're just entering their prime. So we need players that can help win now. Adding young guys doesn't really fit in that window. This is a big reason why I think eventually one of either Dame or CJ will have to go.
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If we can somehow play and luck our way into top three in the draft, we can make a deal without CJ or Lillard.
 
I agree we need a PF badly, the problem is there aren't many PF's that get me too excited. The players we could maybe get aren't necessarily going to help with the defense aspect of things. An example I wouldn't be surprised to see Greg Monroe's name pop up for us again.
 
Schilly said:
I agree we need a PF badly, the problem is there aren't many PF's that get me too excited. The players we could maybe get aren't necessarily going to help with the defense aspect of things. An example I wouldn't be surprised to see Greg Monroe's name pop up for us again.
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My stupid trade of the day (above post) has us getting Taj Gibson, who is a fine PF.

Not likely, but not impossible either.
 
I really don't want to give up young talent (even if is slow to develop) for a 32-year-old PF who will be out of the league before we peak. I could see getting Gibson or Milsap if they were relatively cheap and could be used to help train Vonleh or another PF. Trading young talent for either of these guys feels like the Dale Davis trade, except that one made more sense.
 
Reep said:
I really don't want to give up young talent (even if is slow to develop) for a 32-year-old PF who will be out of the league before we peak. I could see getting Gibson or Milsap if they were relatively cheap and could be used to help train Vonleh or another PF. Trading young talent for either of these guys feels like the Dale Davis trade, except that one made more sense.
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Our win% to salary ratio is abysmal, so we have a big problem. Here's another
Biebs, Crabbe, and Vonleh are likely at or near their peaks (Davis and Aminu probably, too, though they're actually pretty good). Crabbe may be the exception here, but only if he leaves Portland AND becomes a starter somewhere else. So, having "young talent" is immaterial - they are replaceable, very replaceable.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
OK, how long have we had Vonleh, and how much has he improved, and what skills has he improved on?
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21 years old...not played much his rookie years...lot of upside..strong lower core..good stroke...he's just not getting any plays run for him and I think he's just about ready to make a huge leap if given the opportunity...Crabbe either...don't think they are even close to their peaks ..both a couple years away....
 
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riverman said:
22 years old...not played much his rookie years...lot of upside..strong lower core..good stroke...he's just not getting any plays run for him and I think he's just about ready to make a huge leap if given the opportunity...Crabbe either...don't think they are even close to their peaks ..both a couple years away....
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Won't be 22 till August.
 
riverman said:
22 years old...not played much his rookie years...lot of upside..strong lower core..good stroke...he's just not getting any plays run for him and I think he's just about ready to make a huge leap if given the opportunity...Crabbe either...don't think they are even close to their peaks ..both a couple years away....
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I agree that Vonleh is a couple of years away from his peak, he's young, and he has all of the tools to be a solid NBA player. I'm guessing the reason he's not getting any significant run is because he's not showing any improvement since his rookie year. At some point he needs to earn the minutes and show progress. Otherwise, more deserving players will get the time. I'm rooting for him, and I'm telling myself every day that he's young and has potential. I really hate that word potential...

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Although I wouldn't dump him, I could part with Biebs, as his potential is lowering by the year. I still think he could be one year from "getting it", but odds are lower. Vonleh is sooooo young still, and at least has two things he does well (if he doesn't foul out), defense and rebounding. And Vonleh can, at least for momments, handle the ball and shoot the three. I would very much like to keep him until he is 25 before giving up.
 
I think Vonleh just needs a better center next to him...Nurkic should be good for his development...he'll practice against a true center for a change. He also needs to be included in the offensive system...we're not very good alley oop passers so far....I'm hoping Turner brings that back. For two seasons our roster has not had an identity...it's been experiment after experiment and unfortunately some guys didn't keep up....CJ made the leap, Meyers didn't...
 
Wizard Mentor said:
My stupid trade of the day (above post) has us getting Taj Gibson, who is a fine PF.

Not likely, but not impossible either.
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If Taj Gibson is a fine PF why can't Chicago win with him? It's not like his supporting cast is worse than it would be in Portland. I mean I hear on this board that Butler and Lopez are good. Wade has played 48 games. IMO he is not going to help us.
 
42N8Bounce said:
I really hate that word potential
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I've learned to just accept it in Portland....if allstars don't want to come here, we have to create allstars from that word ...I'm afraid it's just the only option for the team so far.
 
Vonleh is no where near his peak guy can be a top tier PF in this league. Meyers is near his peak. I think if he has any potential it will be seen in a different system then Stott's current one. I think Vonleh deserves more leeway, as far as this is concerned. Meyers has had five years. That said, now that we have Nurkic Stotts will have incentive to change his system which could help develop Vonleh and even Meyers. Throw them both in a lot of practices with Nurkic have him knock them the fuck around and show them what it's really about.

As for Crabbe, he has had ample time to improve and develop, and has remained a 3 and done guy for the most part. Sometimes he will step around screens and step in for jumpers. He needs to become a slasher, get to the rim more like Dame and CJ. All of them need to learn D.
 
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TBpup said:
I'm not sure the Blazer discussions with Philly for Okafor are over.
Greg Monroe discussions might also get resurrected from the past.
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What's with NO's fascination with these fools? The league is going away from plodding no-defense big men, and we keep going after them. ugh. I hope not in either of these guys, unless we ship out some dead weight contracts. I'd do AC for Monroe and let his contract expire over the summer.
 
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