Politics White Nationalist Rally turns to violence and terrorism

[Denny Crane]

Speaking of propaganda.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/334897-poll-majority-says-mainstream-media-publishes-fake-news

Poll: Majority says mainstream media publishes fake news

Nearly two-thirds of Americans say the mainstream press is full of fake news, a sentiment that is held by a majority of voters across the ideological spectrum.

According to data from the latest Harvard-Harris poll, which was provided exclusively to The Hill, 65 percent of voters believe there is a lot of fake news in the mainstream media.

That number includes 80 percent of Republicans, 60 percent of independents and 53 percent of Democrats. Eighty-four percent of voters said it is hard to know what news to believe online.

“Much of the media is now just another part of the partisan divide in the country with Republicans not trusting the ‘mainstream’ media and Democrats seeing them as reflecting their beliefs,” said Harvard-Harris co-director Mark Penn. “Every major institution from the presidency to the courts is now seen as operating in a partisan fashion in one direction or the other.”
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Mark Penn worked for the Clintons, he's not some right wing ideologue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Penn

Together with Doug Schoen, he was co-founder of the polling firm Penn, Schoen and Berland Associates.,[2] whose clients included political and business leaders such as U.S. PresidentBill Clinton, British Prime Minister Tony Blair, and Bill Gates. Penn later served as chief strategist and pollster to Hillary Clinton in her unsuccessful campaign for the democratic nomination for the 2008 presidential election.[3]

 

[Denny Crane]

when have you ever seen their candidate in a presidential debate? ......yep....never...I'm not against any whack job organization having their rally....if the Nazis and KKK had rallied in Charlottesville.....I'd have paid little attention to them....when they show up armed with weapons, torches and run people down with cars.....I pay attention

If the left wingers didn't show up, the whole event would have barely made the news.

That's an indisputable fact.

 

[riverman]

If the left wingers didn't show up, the whole event would have barely made the news.

That's an indisputable fact.

those college students and actually most of those folks were locals....they live there, and being anti racist is hardly being a left winger....or shouldn't be at least. I support their right to protest the rally as well. Not one KKK member or Nazi died either....a young community member did though.

 

[Denny Crane]

those college students and actually most of those folks were locals....they live there, and being anti racist is hardly being a left winger....or shouldn't be at least. I support their right to protest the rally as well. Not one KKK member or Nazi died either....a young community member did though.

I have no problem with people exercising their 1st amendment right.

You're still denying that enough of the violent left did show up, and even are denying these bad people exist.

Watch out he videos on YouTube and see who are throwing punches and worse.

I condemn them all. I call for the death penalty for the guy who killed the woman.

 

[Minstrel]

If the left wingers didn't show up, the whole event would have barely made the news.

That's an indisputable fact.

You call other people fascists and then make the most fascist statement anyone here ever has, saying "Hey, if the side I disagree with would just stay home and not exercise their freedom of expression, there wouldn't be a problem and no one would get run over by cars."

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

You call other people fascists and then make the most fascist statement anyone here ever has, saying "Hey, if the side I disagree with would just stay home and not exercise their freedom of expression, there wouldn't be a problem and no one would get run over by cars."

If he said that it would be wrong. Luckily he didn't.

You don't think throwing rocks and cement and urine and feces at people while brandishing clubs is just "freedom of expression" do you?

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Think I forgot that pillar of free speech we call pepper spray

 

[Denny Crane]

You call other people fascists and then make the most fascist statement anyone here ever has, saying "Hey, if the side I disagree with would just stay home and not exercise their freedom of expression, there wouldn't be a problem and no one would get run over by cars."

I stated the facts. I always get it that you don't like it.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Oh, also telling people they SHOULDN'T have done something is not fascist

 

[Denny Crane]

If he said that it would be wrong. Luckily he didn't.

You don't think throwing rocks and cement and urine and feces at people while brandishing clubs is just "freedom of expression" do you?

He's got his fingers in his ears. "La la la la la la la..."

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

He's got his fingers in his ears. "La la la la la la la..."

Look at these Nazis from Boston

 

[Minstrel]

If he said that it would be wrong. Luckily he didn't.

You don't think throwing rocks and cement and urine and feces at people while brandishing clubs is just "freedom of expression" do you?

No, but you're the one changing what he said. What he said was, "if the left didn't show up, there'd be no problems." If what you and Denny are suggesting is that the violence is basically a left counter-protestor thing and the peace-loving neo Nazis were victims, then I think you guys are pretty desperate.

 

[Minstrel]

Oh, also telling people they SHOULDN'T have done something is not fascist

Sure. If someone says, "I think you shouldn't show up, or else there'll be violence," that's totally non-fascist.

 

[Sinobas]

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

No, but you're the one changing what he said. What he said was, "if the left didn't show up, there'd be no problems." If what you and Denny are suggesting is that the violence is basically a left counter-protestor thing and the peace-loving neo Nazis were victims, then I think you guys are pretty desperate.

Haven't the degenerate Nazis been having their little circle jerk gatherings for years?

The only victim was the poor girl who got killed because of this clusterfuck. The cops in the crash could have been killed the next day during a car chase for all we know.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I have no problem with people exercising their 1st amendment right.

You're still denying that enough of the violent left did show up, and even are denying these bad people exist.

Watch out he videos on YouTube and see who are throwing punches and worse.

I condemn them all. I call for the death penalty for the guy who killed the woman.

No, but you're the one changing what he said. What he said was, "if the left didn't show up, there'd be no problems." If what you and Denny are suggesting is that the violence is basically a left counter-protestor thing and the peace-loving neo Nazis were victims, then I think you guys are pretty desperate.

Read his post first
Then yours and explain the difference.

 

[Minstrel]

Haven't the degenerate Nazis been having their little circle jerk gatherings for years?

Probably, and I support their right to have them. I think it's just a little silly for people who are loudly anti-fascist to start talking about how if one side just stayed home, there'd be no problems.

Try it on in reverse and see how it tingles your anti-fascism radar. Imagine a leftie saying, "If the right would just stay home, there would be no problems."

I'm relatively sure if that happened, you'd be pretty contemptuous of the comment.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Here's the cops in Charlottesville doing a great job.

 

[Minstrel]

Read his post first
Then yours and explain the difference.

Wrong post.

If the left wingers didn't show up, the whole event would have barely made the news.

That's an indisputable fact.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Probably, and I support their right to have them. I think it's just a little silly for people who are loudly anti-fascist to start talking about how if one side just stayed home, there'd be no problems.

Try it on in reverse and see how it tingles your anti-fascism radar. Imagine a leftie saying, "If the right would just stay home, there would be no problems."

I'm relatively sure if that happened, you'd be pretty contemptuous of the comment.

You can't see the forest for the trees. That is what the lefties are saying by bringing clubs to protests.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Wrong post.

No, not at all. I know which post you were referring to. And inferring it to mean something entirely different than what he clearly says elsewhere.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

PEACE THROUGH VIOLENCE!!!!!!?

HELL YEAH. ONCE AGAIN, KILL THESE NAZIS

 

[Minstrel]

No, not at all. I know which post you were referring to. And inferring it to mean something entirely different than what he clearly says elsewhere.

Yeah, I think you're being willfully naive because you prefer the "The left are the REAL Nazis" narrative that Denny is pushing. If Denny were making all the same arguments in defense of the left extremists, rather than in defense of the right extremists, you'd be lumping him into the hopeless pile.

 

[riverman]

You're still denying that enough of the violent left did show up, and even are denying these bad people exist.

This is a lie....I've never denied bad people exist....I've written many posts stating just that....not sure why you would say that....you have a thing for denial ranting.....my views are my views...again, with the team sports woofing in political discussions...I'm not on any team...somebody steps over a line and breaks a law or behaves badly, they'll get arrested....it's pretty shallow of you to include everyone protesting this with those exhibiting bad, reckless behavior....baffling way to converse if you ask me

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Yeah, I think you're being willfully naive because you prefer the "The left are the REAL Nazis" narrative that Denny is pushing. If Denny were making all the same arguments in defense of the left extremists, rather than in defense of the right extremists, you'd be lumping him into the hopeless pile.

Wow, Denny says the left are the real Nazis?

Missed that one.

 

[Denny Crane]

No, but you're the one changing what he said. What he said was, "if the left didn't show up, there'd be no problems." If what you and Denny are suggesting is that the violence is basically a left counter-protestor thing and the peace-loving neo Nazis were victims, then I think you guys are pretty desperate.

Whoosh. Plain english is over your head.

Both sides came willing to fight. One side had a permit.

If the left didn't show up, nobody to fight and the thing would have been a news story about a few hundred hate group members having a whimpy march.

 

[Minstrel]

One side had a permit.

Irrelevant. You're perfectly aware that protests don't require permits. Only large organized gatherings with things like stages, sound systems and those sorts of things do.

If the left didn't show up, nobody to fight and the thing would have been a news story about a few hundred hate group members having a whimpy march.

Yes, and if someone made exactly the same argument about the right not showing up, no problems, you'd be screaming fascism. That's really all there is to it.

I think the neo Nazis had every right to show up and protest. As did the left. Implying that one side should stay home to avoid "problems" is pretty clear fascism. You'd understand that if someone said the right should have stayed home to avoid any violence.

 

[barfo]

Both sides came willing to fight. One side had a permit.

Actually, both sides had permits.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-trump-wrong-charlottesville-counter-protest/

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

I bet a Democrat issued the permits. A fool thing to do.
He/she got what they wanted though.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I bet a Democrat issued the permits. A fool thing to do.

I posted a video of a news conference the cops didn't protect. Thought that was crazy but apparently they'd already been told to fall back because Antifa was throwing urine and other things at them. It is hard to follow all this chaos when there isn't a timeline of all the videos.