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bodyman5000 and 1 said:
I posted a video of a news conference the cops didn't protect. Thought that was crazy but apparently they'd already been told to fall back because Antifa was throwing urine and other things at them. It is hard to follow all this chaos when there isn't a timeline of all the videos.
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It was permitted to happen just as if it were scripted.
 
MarAzul said:
I bet a Democrat issued the permits. A fool thing to do.
He/she got what they wanted though.
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Dude, Im a republican and your statement is the foundation of the issues at hand. Stop GENERALIZING!!! It isnt ALL dems., It isnt ALL republicans.
The moment you think ALL dems are bad, you have tossed shame on the republican party. Two wrongs dont make a right. Start judging individual actions and stop trying to classify them all under one umbrella.
 
Orion, my good fellow. My handle is MarAzul. Yes Democrats do run damn near every City. Yes, I do bet it was a Democrat that issued the permit.
Not all Progressives are Democrats, but it is probably close to 90%.

They is no shame intended for your republican spirit. Speculation I admit.
 
But MarAzul(no insult intended by callign you dude), it's the intention of connecting the dots through speculation that is happening WAAAYYY too often and promoting hasty actions by those that choose to believe said assumptions. though acting without facts is foolish in its own, why perpetuate this chaotic time by furthering assumptions that can lead lesser observers astray?
 
Orion Bailey said:
But MarAzul(no insult intended by callign you dude), it's the intention of connecting the dots through speculation that is happening WAAAYYY too often and promoting hasty actions by those that choose to believe said assumptions. though acting without facts is foolish in its own, why perpetuate this chaotic time by furthering assumptions that can lead lesser observers astray?
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Ok, Ok!

So I checked! The Mayor is...
Michael Signer
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  • He has a long history in Democratic politics
  • He has been an outspoken critic of Trump on his response to the violence in his city"

Dang! Right again.
 
I'm a liberal republican by the way. :) we must have equality. And I don't support the lazy. :)
Meaning I believe in steps and measure to continue he equal rights movement until it's truly equal.
I also believe in limited government.
 
Minstrel said:
Sure. If someone says, "I think you shouldn't show up, or else there'll be violence," that's totally non-fascist.
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Do you even understand what fascism even means? people like you just throw this word around till it doesn't mean shit, everybody can be it. Here let me grab the definition for you...

often capitalized: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

Damn this doesn't sound like anything to me in America at all. Doesn't sound like Denny either. Where is the dictator? where are the camps? where are the people getting killed left and right by the great leader? I see people moving freely in the streets, whats going on? hmmmmm
 
Cippy91 said:
often capitalized: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
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I never said we have fascism in America. I said Denny's suggestion that one side staying home if they want violence is a fascist suggestion, which it is. I bolded the relevant part to help you out.
 
Minstrel said:
I never said we have fascism in America. I said Denny's suggestion that one side staying home if they want violence is a fascist suggestion, which it is. I bolded the relevant part to help you out.
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So the Antifa goons are fascists if you accept the part you mentioned.

Denny suggesting they should have stayed home doesn't meet that definition.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
Denny suggesting they should have stayed home doesn't meet that definition.
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Suggesting they stay home if they don't want violence does. Again, if this were flipped and someone suggested that conservatives (or Trump supporters) stay home if they don't want violence, I think you'd find it a bit more offensive.
 
Minstrel said:
I never said we have fascism in America. I said Denny's suggestion that one side staying home if they want violence is a fascist suggestion, which it is. I bolded the relevant part to help you out.
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ohhh right so what denny said is now somehow forcible suppression. Key word being forcible. Who exactly can denny force over the internet. I mean you yourself said it was a suggestion of his. A suggestion is much more different than a forcible act
 
Cippy91 said:
ohhh right so what denny said is now somehow forcible suppression. Key word being forcible. Who exactly can denny force over the internet. I mean you yourself said it was a suggestion of his. A suggestion is much more different than a forcible act
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If he were to say that all liberals should be killed, you're arguing that wouldn't be a "murderous suggestion" because, hey, it's only a suggestion and who's he killing on the Internet? Suggesting that people stay home under threat of violence is a fascist idea--I never said he had the power to carry it out.
 
Minstrel said:
Suggesting they stay home if they don't want violence does. Again, if this were flipped and someone suggested that conservatives (or Trump supporters) stay home if they don't want violence, I think you'd find it a bit more offensive.
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Bodyman and I aren't even republicans. I believe he isn't. I just think it's crazy people like you throw around the word fascist and then it gets watered down to nothing and now you are calling something somebody on here said a fascist thing which wasn't fascist at all but now you can't admit that because you have too much pride. Is what it is. You guys do this all the time here. Everything is fascist, racist, homophobic and everybody who doesn't hold your specific views are these things or one of them
 
Minstrel said:
If he were to say that all liberals should be killed, you're arguing that wouldn't be a "murderous suggestion" because, hey, it's only a suggestion and who's he killing on the Internet? Suggesting that people stay home under threat of violence is a fascist idea--I never said he had the power to carry it out.
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but he never said all liberals should be killed so that's the dumbest hypothetical to say nor would he say that. You are reaching. Okay so now it went from what denny said is fascist to a fascist idea. Okay okay.

dance around everything...
 
I guess if we lived in the midwest and a tornado comes around, news tells us to stay inside, that's probably super fascist too, right?
 
Cippy91 said:
Bodyman and I aren't even republicans. I believe he isn't.
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I never said Republican. Try again.

The rest of your post was pure projection. You're smart enough to understand someone saying others shouldn't protest if they don't want violence is fascist, you just don't want to admit because you enjoy your "hurr durr everyone throws around terms I don't like, everyone's crazy except people who agree with me" rants.
 
Cippy91 said:
but he never said all liberals should be killed
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If you don't know what a hypothetical example is, then I guess I retract my belief that you were smart enough to understand what fascism is.
 
Minstrel said:
If you don't know what a hypothetical example is, then I guess I retract my belief that you were smart enough to understand what fascism is.
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I am the one that gave you the definition since you don't even know what the fuck it means
 
Minstrel said:
I never said Republican. Try again.

The rest of your post was pure projection. You're smart enough to understand someone saying others shouldn't protest if they don't want violence is fascist, you just don't want to admit because you enjoy your "hurr durr everyone throws around terms I don't like, everyone's crazy except people who agree with me" rants.
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No I just think the people that throw around that word when it doesn't even relate to the situation are the issue, you completely water it down and make it okay to use for everything and it's bullshit
 
Minstrel said:
If you don't know what a hypothetical example is, then I guess I retract my belief that you were smart enough to understand what fascism is.
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also within that post I said specifically that hypothetical was ridiculous. Having trouble reading too? the fuck
 
Cippy91 said:
but he never said all liberals should be killed so that's the dumbest hypothetical to say nor would he say that. You are reaching. Okay so now it went from what denny said is fascist to a fascist idea. Okay okay.

dance around everything...
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hmmmmm do I not know what a hypothetical is? guess I am not smart enough guys, everything is fascism. Oh wait, he actually put hypothetical in the sentence, fuck I should dance some more around it...
 
Cippy91 said:
also within that post I said specifically that hypothetical was ridiculous. Having trouble reading too? the fuck
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You said "BUT HE DIDN'T SAY THAT SO IT'S A DUMB HYPOTHETICAL." Quick clue: if he had said it, it wouldn't be a hypothetical.

That said, this is getting silly. If even common words are escaping you, it's pointless to continue.
 
Minstrel said:
You said "BUT HE DIDN'T SAY THAT SO IT'S A DUMB HYPOTHETICAL." Quick clue: if he had said it, it wouldn't be a hypothetical.

That said, this is getting silly. If even common words are escaping you, it's pointless to continue.
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it's a dumb hypothetical because it's outrageous, at least if you are gonna come up with one, make it more realistic. But it's what you have been doing, dancing around what I am saying and now this is so pointless to continue because you're one of those people. Throwing out fascists, you are so much smarter than everybody else, etc. Same old same old.

Common words are escaping me, help. I am just too dumb to even comprehend what Minstrel is saying, he is so smart and informed. Fuck outta here, you can't even use fascist correctly just like every other super liberal.
 
Minstrel said:
Suggesting they stay home if they don't want violence does. Again, if this were flipped and someone suggested that conservatives (or Trump supporters) stay home if they don't want violence, I think you'd find it a bit more offensive.
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Suggesting and forcible are completely different things.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
Suggesting and forcible are completely different things.
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A threat constitutes force. And before you say, "Oh yeah, Denny's totally going to go around with his shotgun," just because he doesn't have the power to implement it doesn't make the idea less fascist.
 
Minstrel said:
If he were to say that all liberals should be killed, you're arguing that wouldn't be a "murderous suggestion" because, hey, it's only a suggestion and who's he killing on the Internet? Suggesting that people stay home under threat of violence is a fascist idea--I never said he had the power to carry it out.
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Ohhhhhh, anything anyone says they would like to have happen or suggests it would be a good idea is fascist?

If thinking something makes one a fascist then I'm a fascist.
 
Minstrel said:
If that thing they would like to have happen is fascist, then yeah, it makes the idea fascist.
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Any suggestions are fascist. lol. You just wont give up and be like okay yeah I am wrong here. Sticking with it to the end and doubling down. It's all good, however thinking that's a fascist idea is some of the dumbest shit I have ever heard but hey whatever makes you sleep better at night
 
Minstrel said:
A threat constitutes force. And before you say, "Oh yeah, Denny's totally going to go around with his shotgun," just because he doesn't have the power to implement it doesn't make the idea less fascist.
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Did denny say anyone should have stopped them from going? Serious question.
 
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